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  • colinwdrew

    • 2020 DraftKings FHWC Champion

    • 2021 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • easternmh

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    @y2mulder said...

    Well that would be awesome if we EVER GOT FACTS.

    Smizzle translator: I’m not commenting on anything until I have all the facts

    Cmon guys – maybe some people should take that advice

  • WhiskeyTavon4

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      2014 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    There is no such thing as a mainstream, reputable news outlet. All of the writing is done by complete hacks who have zero knowledge of the industry or the facts of the situation.

  • Elz24

    Im in the minority but I honestly don’t care. I have a sense within 5 percent or so of ownership numbers and fanduel stuff is public thursday

  • MikeMineo

    has this been posted yet? http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2015/10/top_massachusetts_leaders_draftkings_fate_rests_with_ag_healey

    some interesting bits about the state of MA’s role in this imminent investigation.

  • Gateman07

    • 2013 StarStreet NFL Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @Elz24 said...

    Im in the minority but I honestly don’t care. I have a sense within 5 percent or so of ownership numbers and fanduel stuff is public thursday

    This.

  • JimmyTango

    @stlcardinals84 said...

    I can say WITH 100% FACT AND CERTAINTY that I have never ONCE had access to another person’s lineups or ownership data or anything “cheating” in nature.

    And we’re just supposed to trust you, like we’re supposed to trust DK’s “internal investigation”?

    I have no idea whether or not you cheated, but the indisputable fact is that you COULD have, because DK neglected to have proper safeguards and internal controls. Obviously, it’s not your fault that DK management was negligent, but surely you must appreciate that their actions (or inaction) have aroused legitimate suspicion of anyone who has enjoyed major success on DK and FD. It’s unfortunate, but that’s they way it is. This scandal casts doubt on EVERY outcome of EVERY contest.

  • bearsfan1983

    Fact of the matter is everyone can win money. If you would have built line ups good enough to compete with them you would’ve won money too. He didnt do anything wrong. he was already a proven winner before any of this happened. i dont get what all the freaking uproar is about.

  • realdeals

    @franciscolora said...

    We should stop making this a bigger deal than what it really is if we want DFS not to take such a huge hit. Sigh.

    Way too late for this now. I’m Not happy how it happened and these crazy theories in this thread. F Gore fumbling. Yeah, his nephew told him hey I faded you in DFS, don’t score this week. WTF, unreal.
    All the pros with insider info is also asinine.

    With the lack of responses from FD/DK on just about every issue that arises, it’s a good thing they will now come under scrutiny. They will def have to answer this in detail.

  • Joe1Coal

    Someone should lock this thread…just my opinion.

  • MikeMineo

    @Elz24 said...

    I have a sense within 5 percent or so of ownership numbers and fanduel stuff is public thursday

    the outcry over ownership % is primarily regarding his success in MLB, where ownership data is very difficult to predict and provides a greater edge for MLB GPPs than any other sport/game type as a result. this coincides with a run of 22/31 days finishing in top 0.5% on FD in MLB. he was never renowned as a DFS wizard before his DK employment. do you see why some people are rightfully skeptical?

    and there typically aren’t early slates in MLB that provide accurate indication of MLB ownership for the bigger slates later on.

    the assumption is that if Ethan had access to ownership for NFL, then it’s very likely he had access to them for MLB as well.

    the NFL ownership angle misses the big issue; just “how much” of an inside edge can one get before you WOULD be up in arms?

  • winsome

    @sgaffney said...

    We’ve just seen an ESPN show use screenshots from RG. Numerous mainstream media outlets have reported false and harmful information, some of which might well have come from these boards. It’s becoming pretty clear that the blind speculation on this thread is effecting the industry.

    We all acknowledge there is a problem but the only thing blindly posting theories is doing right now is increasing the likelihood of us losing the ability to play DFS.

    With all due respect if any legitimate news outlet used a message forum to get their “facts” they’d be legitimate no more. How do you know it’s false and if it isn’t what’s the difference who it’s harmful to? There are editors at every news outlet and usually you need at least 2 sources to be able to run with a story. I cannot imagine any of these outlets/reporters said to their editor, “it has to be true, “theschlong” posted it at RG”!

  • dudeoflife

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      2015 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    Why did AJ Green have to go off for 2 TD’s!!!??? Butterfly effect at it’s finest.

  • lordwu84

    @letterj007 said...

    @theprodigy1 said…

    And with him releasing the data pre-lock on multiple games, nope. Because it never comes to light.

    As long as their are lax data management and controls, a lack of transparency, and employees allowed to play on other sites, it’s would’ve just been a matter of time before a scandal erupted.

  • eritas

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • 2016 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    Fanduel and Draftkings could easily have avoided this by having their employees not be allowed to play DFS. That’s just common sense. The biggest threat to the industry has always been public perception. Some of their business practices…really feels like the ownership is out of touch at times with the threats to their industry. Either that or they are just nomming up the investment $ and waiting for an IPO to go public and cash out their profits and leave the industry in shambles. If they want to stay around they need to 1) immediately create a policy where employees can’t play DFS anywhere, 2) prove they are securing important data and be 100% transparent and 3) this Ethan fellow should already be looking for a new job. That might not be fair to him, but he screwed the pooch big time and he should pay for it.

  • mellofellowsu

    @WhiskeyTavon4 said...

    What is more concerning is that everyone here in this thread or at RG is a relative expert in the field or at least has more knowledge than a common reporter

    Ha, I’d rethink that.

    This thread has done a great job of illuminating individuals whose opinions I personally will never listen to again when they all come crawling back. If they’re prone to panicking, fearmongering and reaching conclusions based on sparsely sourced and in some cases outright inaccurate information, how can you take what they have to say about DFS seriously anymore?

  • badgerdores

    FanDuel spokesperson Justine Sacco: 0.3% of total $ won on its site has been won by DraftKings employees. Believe that would be < than $10M

    FanDuel hired Sacco for PR?? Interesting choice. Everyone deserves second chance, but this quote is so dumb. Like 10 million is chump change to average Joe player.

  • jmo26

    @MikeMineo said...

    the outcry over ownership % is primarily regarding his success in MLB, where ownership data is very difficult to predict and provides a greater edge for MLB GPPs than any other sport/game type as a result.

    and there typically aren’t early slates in MLB that provide accurate indication of MLB ownership for the bigger slates later on.

    the assumption is that if Ethan had access to ownership for NFL, then it’s very likely he had access to them for MLB as well.

    the NFL ownership angle misses the big issue; just “how much” of an inside edge can one get before you WOULD be up in arms?

    Just stop – you’ve been disputing the same thing for hours (and are impossible to debate with, since you have a tendency to retroactively edit your comments). Everyone understands exactly where you stand on this. Your point has been made.

  • SYARugby

    Quick post so I can be part of this epic thread. btw I’m not an employee of DK or FD, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night which pretty much makes me a big fish on a shrinking table.

  • eKing

    For the record, I’m on the middle of the fence…. Some folks in this thread are worse than than those “America built, supports and supplies ISIS” comments I always see on Facebook. Most people twist things to favor their own opinion and views. The truth is, whether you like it or not, we really don’t know what’s going on in this world, or better yet, the DFS world. You knew that when you signed up.

  • JimmyTango

    @sgaffney said...

    the only thing blindly posting theories is doing right now is increasing the likelihood of us losing the ability to play DFS

    This is fear-mongering, and it’s every bit as bad as “blindly posting theories.”

  • MikeMineo

    @jmo26 said...

    Just stop

    no. as long as people make asinine assertions that they don’t care about ownership because it doesn’t matter much in NFL, I’ll be reminding them it provides a MASSIVE edge in MLB GPPs, where he has experienced so much success in such a short period of time.

    and again: how much of an “inside edge” does one have to have before users like you demand regulation? is there a line you can draw?

    having access to data like this also means he could potentially have access to, say, who maxdalury and rayofhope have over 25% exposure to across their 500 lineups. I bet a few sharks would be willing to pay for this info. this hypothetical alone brings an understandable call for regulation.

    not sure what you mean by edited comments, but I can assure you my opinions have remained consistent so if any editing is going on it’s an addition to my point, not a revision that makes a debate impossible.

  • stubbysooner77

    • 2015 DraftKings FCFWC Finalist

    I do hope the DFS industry holds together through the New Year. I have a CFB live final in Miami to attend, damnit. Think of the opportunities to network there, and all of the possibilities for becoming part of the “insider” cartel…with access to ownership rates, who people are playing, who the bloody hell Condia is. Here I am, just a lowly schmoe who comes up with lineups based on absolutely no insider knowledge at all other than my own devices! I will not be denied my time to shine, damnit!

    (Disclaimer: the preceding post is intended to be sarcasm…not particularly funny or witty sarcasm…and should not be taken as anything other than that. If anyone from any law enforcement agency is reading. Hi guys!)

  • phillygamecox

    wonder how the banking/payment folks will react to all this. Visa, Mastercard, AMEX, Paypal, etc…Any of these guys say they are pulling out of offering their services on DK or FD, THAT could be the bigger downfall more than anything else IMO.

  • ssmfour

    @JimmyTango said...

    And we’re just supposed to trust you, like we’re supposed to trust DK’s “internal investigation”?

    I have no idea whether or not you cheated, but the indisputable fact is that you COULD have, because DK neglected to have proper safeguards and internal controls. Obviously, it’s not your fault that DK management was negligent, but surely you must appreciate that their actions (or inaction) have aroused legitimate suspicion of anyone who has enjoyed major success on DK and FD. It’s unfortunate, but that’s they way it is. This scandal casts doubt on EVERY outcome of EVERY contest.

    …Really?

  • petesdynasty

    @badgerdores said...

    FanDuel spokesperson Justine Sacco: 0.3% of total $ won on its site has been won by DraftKings employees. Believe that would be < than $10M

    FanDuel hired Sacco for PR?? Interesting choice. Everyone deserves second chance, but this quote is so dumb. Like 10 million is chump change to average Joe player.

    10 players controling .3% of the pie is MASSIVE. I’ll give her a +1 though for using a percentage that would trick the average idiot into believing that’s a small number.

    Edit: It’s a she. Sorry about that.

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