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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • JimmyTango

    @Ryazan said...

    they can talk to me directly, i speak on behalf of those who don’t work on either site, but have won alot of money through hard work and patience, and nothing that i have won was ever handed to me. If i had the patience to enter 500 lineups into the MLB Slam on fanduel every day, I am 99% sure I would win it 1/2 the time.

    I don’t doubt that. But that doesn’t make this a “non-story,” as you so fervently declared.

  • Runantelope

    @Ryazan said...

    Good players do not care about this….why? Because we know ahead of time who will be high owned and who won’t, we’re not idiots. It does not take cheating to figure out that Freeman would be low owned against what was a stout Dallas run D.

    Now imagine how much better you god players would be if you knew exact percentages and not very good guesses to work with.

    I think part of the point is that the possible advantage gained would put the player in a place where they can easily beat the smartest players who play on good guess info, and those are the players you need to beat. Knowing within a 1% range will destroy knowing within a 5% range.

  • MikeMineo

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    The data does not show that. You have no idea how many entries he had in each contest based on his RG profile. He could have 1 entry finish high and 29 entries finish out of the money. Very possible considering stacking in baseball.

    you’re correct in that I can’t pull out a precise number of entries he played in a given day off the RG profile, but it does provide a peek in this sense:

    compare the RG profile of any well-known multi-entry player with Ethan’s cached page and there’s a stark difference between the frequency of placing. if you’re putting in 100+ lineups then it’s not feasible that you’re a great player yet only having 3-4 per day finish in top 20%, especially if the lineups that do are generally top 1% range. a normal multi-entry player may have those top 1% finishes as well, but they’ll also have at least a dozen lineups show up on their RG page in the 5-20% top range due to sheer variation if they’re putting in THAT many lineups, as maxdalury’s page does.

    the only point is that the success is unbelievably remarkable with the assumption that he ISN’T putting in 100+ lineups to account for volatility. if he is then it’s a lot more feasible, but my point is that he doesn’t have a profile with 50+ places per day and he never did, like some renowned max entry guys, so it’s hard for me to think that the massive MLB success can be chalked up to him simply putting in a ton of entries most days after a big first day of the month.

    I understand not every MLB player uses a player core, and some use team stacks instead, but the prospect of only putting in a handful of lineups and finishing in top 0.5% nearly every day for a month arises suspicion nonetheless.

  • y2mulder

    @pmsimkins said...

    You should definitely never be allowed to work again if you have a couple drinks and tell an off color joke. (This being sarcasm) People are beyond ridiculous nowadays. Good for them hiring her. (Not sarcasm)

    You are right. Your image means nothing when you are a billion dollar company facing a congressional inquiry.

  • dre87

    I’m just here so I don’t get fined.

  • Ryazan

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    @madmanjayWV said...

    WOW — utterly wow

    You are blaming people who post on a message board for this FIASCO?

    Seriously? Why hasn’t DRAFT KINGS already sued the NY TIMES and every other media outlet for posting and running blatant lies?

    Dk will absolutely sue NYTimes over this but that will be later, and if they even care to bother with it.

    This is absolutely the fault of the people who made a huge issue over this. Assumptions started being made about CHEATING and all of a sudden, everyone who has ever lost on DK and Fanduel lost because of cheating, and not because they made bad picks.

  • Pinhead6

    Never expected this to be such a huge story, really going to hurt the growth of the industry and retention of losing players. Hopefully the industry can at least survive. I really feel for RG and everybody who stands to lose money through no fault of their own. I agree that the ownership advantage is overblown and I won’t speculate that Ethan did or did not cheat but he’s one of the last people I’d consider having any sympathy for.

  • JimmyTango

    @pmsimkins said...

    Not that I’m sure it hasn’t already been pointed out in the last 95 pages, but for $30 you can have the ownership percentages on every relavent player on FD. It’s called the Thursday slate.

    Everything in the media I’ve seen has been idiotic, basically.

    Maybe. But none of that disproves two clearly established facts: 1) Employees at DK had access to privileged ownership info, and 2) they had the capability to use it to their advantage on other DFS sites.

    Again, if anyone wishes to argue against this, I’d love to hear it.

  • pinballmick

    Better get your line ups in for the Million dollar contests this week because it might be the last one ever if the tea leaves are to be believed. The venture capital is about to dry up. Sponsors are dropping out and there will not be any IPO’s, yes in a month from now will be talking about who won the $100,000 maker after the MNF game. Boy you talk about one guy taking a industry down with one tweet. The damage is done. We all know its not as bad as it really is, but perception is reality. If this Attorney General from the state of Mass shuts down Draft Kings and she is already looking at it’s merits this could really turn bad. This sucks but thats what you get when you don’t have safe guards in place. Who really thought it was a good idea to have these employees that have access to senitive customer data and satistics and then allow then to play DFS anywhere. It just such a sort sighted approach and it could bring down a billion dollar industry.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @madmanjayWV said...

    WOW — utterly wow

    You are blaming people who post on a message board for this FIASCO?

    Seriously? Why hasn’t DRAFT KINGS already sued the NY TIMES and every other media outlet for posting and running blatant lies?

    It’s not necessarily lies. It’s just sensationalism. With twitter and social media these days, many media outlets and journalists have gotten lazy. They don’t need to verify sources when they can just say “according to so and so on twitter,” then continue to run with their narrative/opinion.

  • nvetta

    Where’s the link for the freeroll? There’s always a freeroll after crap like this, right?

  • petesdynasty

    @pmsimkins said...

    You should definitely never be allowed to work again if you have a couple drinks and tell an off color joke. (This being sarcasm) People are beyond ridiculous nowadays. Good for them hiring her. (Not sarcasm)

    No one is saying she should never work again. But if your whole job is to be a PR manager and you tweet crap like that…Adios to your job.

    And if you are another company, you don’t hire someone like that to be your Spokesperson.

  • Ryazan

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    @Runantelope said...

    Now imagine how much better you god players would be if you knew exact percentages and not very good guesses to work with.

    I think part of the point is that the possible advantage gained would put the player in a place where they can easily beat the smartest players who play on good guess info, and those are the players you need to beat. Knowing within a 1% range will destroy knowing within a 5% range.

    but there is no advantage knowing the percentage owned of players after 1pm (or after 7pm) on fanduel. Lineups are locked. DK has confirmed the timeliness of it all, so this whole thread is all about “I lose too often, DK is lying, people have advantages over me, I want DFS to die”

    What i said is IF people knew % owned, it STILL wouldn’t matter. But i have no reason to not believe DK, i dont look to call people liars out of jealousy.

  • y2mulder

    Random questions:

    - Has the OP gone into hiding? Is he safe?

    - Rotogrinders servers, how ya doin??

    - 500 page thread?

  • realdeals

    @Ryazan said...

    Dk will absolutely sue NYTimes over this but that will be later, and if they even care to bother with it.

    This is absolutely the fault of the people who made a huge issue over this. Assumptions started being made about CHEATING and all of a sudden, everyone who has ever lost on DK and Fanduel lost because of cheating, and not because they made bad picks.

    Ryan, players ranked higher than you have stated this is a major issue. While I’m not that surprised you don’t see it as an issue as you don’t care about rake or scripts either.

  • Ryazan

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    @jordanbob147 said...

    Ryazan -do you really need to make every post about YOU? jeez man, trying being humble for once in your life…

    people kept clamoring for “pros” to defend this, so HERE I AM, DEFENDING IT.

  • letterj007

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    It very well could have been without the wild speculation and accusations. Then again, it could be a major story if any of those accusations are true. That is the problem. We do not know the facts. The only thing we have been told is that Ethan requested the ownership percentages after lineup lock to write the DK Playbook article he writes EVERY week. He received this data around 1:40 PM. He then proceeded to post a link on twitter to the playbook article he wrote with ownership percentages for the 1 PM games. The problem was that he included ownership percentages for the 4 PM games and later in error. He realized his mistake and removed the information. But at that point, many people had already seen it.

    Choose to believe the above or not, but if it’s true, this really could be a non-issue/non-story. All it would do is put the sites on notice to make sure they do a better job of encrypting data, containing the employees that have access to the data, not releasing the data, etc.

    “The only thing we have been told is that Ethan requested the ownership percentages after lineup lock to write the DK Playbook article he writes EVERY week. He received this data around 1:40 PM. He then proceeded to post a link on twitter to the playbook article he wrote with ownership percentages for the 1 PM games. The problem was that he included ownership percentages for the 4 PM games and later in error. He realized his mistake and removed the information.”

    So are you saying that they publish the Playbook article in segments here??:
    He then proceeded to post a link on twitter to the playbook article he wrote with ownership percentages for the 1 PM games.

    The problem is that Ethan asked for the ownership information for every player, not just for the 1PM slate, no?? And he received the entire data dump and results well before 4PM. This error revealed that employees at DK have access to all ownership data before the slate is up.

  • pmsimkins

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • 2015 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    @realdeals said...

    Dudes that think not knowing player %s is a non-issue really shouldn’t remove doubt they just aren’t very intelligent and remain silent.

    I’d contend that “dudes” who are suprised by ownership percentages on FD on Sunday are the unintelligent ones. Probably the same people who pay someone to spoon feed them incorrect info on game theory.

  • lggarruto

    Francessa is a bozo killing the dfs industry and now saying thst he was approached to do something with him. He is talking about editing aftrr lineup lock bc of safeguards. Hes such a dick cant stand this guy

  • donnybasbl

    @jordanbob147 said...

    Ryazan -do you really need to make every post about YOU? jeez man, trying being humble for once in your life…

    What a silly question.

  • petesdynasty

    Justine Sacco…I understand you want to be Fanduel’s spokeperson… why were you fired from your last PR job?

    “Lol i told some racist jokes over twitter”

    “Probably the worst PR move ever, you’re hired Justine!”

  • Ryazan

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    @letterj007 said...

    “The only thing we have been told is that Ethan requested the ownership percentages after lineup lock to write the DK Playbook article he writes EVERY week. He received this data around 1:40 PM. He then proceeded to post a link on twitter to the playbook article he wrote with ownership percentages for the 1 PM games. The problem was that he included ownership percentages for the 4 PM games and later in error. He realized his mistake and removed the information.”

    So are you saying that they publish the Playbook article in segments here??:
    He then proceeded to post a link on twitter to the playbook article he wrote with ownership percentages for the 1 PM games.

    The problem is that Ethan asked for the ownership information for every player, not just for the 1PM slate, no?? And he received the entire data dump and results well before 4PM. This error revealed that employees at DK have access to all ownership data before the slate is up.

    Ethan, a DK employee who plays on Fanduel (as they all do), made a mistake at work. That is all that happened. Do any of you even work and make mistakes at work sometimes? Does the world come crashing down on you when you do?

    No one is talking about this – how can percentages owned of players even exist before the lineups lock? People make a million edits in the last hour before lock!

  • donnybasbl

    @Ryazan said...

    people kept clamoring for “pros” to defend this, so HERE I AM, DEFENDING IT.

    What is a pro? Who did you have to contact to relinquish your amateur status?

    I’m just asking for a friend.

  • eddiemunstor

    Ryazan would be an example of ‘protect thy own’

    While YOU may not need such data to win, it’s clear to those objectively looking that this data helps a great deal of people.

    Otherwise, why is it TABOO to release it early? Riddle me that Batman. Sorry but you don’t conceal shit if it’s immaterial to the contest.

    Also, why did Ethan feel the need to publish it if it wasn’t useful?

  • Ryazan

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    with a good sound logical mind, think guys – what good is a players owned percentage 1 hour before lock? It could change drastically because people make MANY decisions in that last hour anyway. I never end up with the lineups that i first start with. It logically makes the accusation of DK employees knowing players percentages owned before lock even dumber and less logical – USE YOUR HEADS GUYS

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