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  • colinwdrew

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    So DK tweeted out millionaire maker ownership here http://playbook.draftkings.com/nfl/millionaire-maker-percent-owned-week-3/ which as of 230pm still includes ownership data for games that have not yet started. IMO this is a big leak and should never happen. It also seems like something that your average analyst should probably not have access too, and able to tell his buddies who is owned and who the best players have. Hey did you know that CSURAM has Randall Cobb going late? Given that they can access the macro results it seems probable they can access specific users during and/or before contests start.

    They definitely should no be sharing it publicly, if they’re going to do it just list the full rosters in the contest and call it a day.

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  • mellofellowsu

    @budfox6 said...

    All I know is that this means FD and DK will never become public companies, which is unfortunate for their growth.

    Yeah, yeah they will.

  • eddiemunstor

    @Ryazan said...

    its a fun little article to know % owned of players. I read that stuff too for entertainment. Its not an actual edge – anyone can predict who will be low owned and who won’t.

    Okay but WHY then do BOTH site hide that data until a contest starts if it means NOTHING?

  • lpk8787

    • 2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    • 2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    Regardless of what side you are on, be thankful that we have a forum like RG to discuss these topics.

  • lggarruto

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    How much overlay will tbere be??

  • jkidd1084

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

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    @Ryazan said...

    what insider data do people know that bothers you? Do you think everyone takes MaxDalury’s lineup cuz they see it 1 hour before it locks? what happens to those that take his lineup, and then he changes it with 5 minutes left?

    Dk confirmed that no one knew ownership % ahead of 1pm. They knew it after 1pm and before 4pm, but that is exacly why they cant play on DK. They play on fanduel and you can’t do anything with that info on fanduel There is no “inside” info.

    You do realize there are other non-DK sites than FanDuel, right? Who is to say he can’t see the data and use it on late swap sites? Yahoo, for example..

  • budfox6

    @mellofellowsu said...

    Yeah, yeah they will.

    I hope so

  • Ryazan

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    The Patriots won the superbowl last year because they cheated and deflated footballs to have an insider advantage over other teams – right?? Or were there 0 facts and it was all jealousy and accusations?? what???? oh that’s right

  • winsome

    @Ryazan said...

    ow can percentages owned of players even exist before the lineups lock?

    The same way surveys that include only a couple thousand people can be extrapolated to determine a result for an entire population. Remember that sites have hundreds of thousands of results from previous contests at their disposal and most assuredly have those analytics readily available to make decisions. Just because YOU make a million changes does not mean the majority of casual players do.

  • bjk121

    @Ryazan said...

    can the logical people please realize that quite literally, NOTHING bad has happened. No one was doing insider trading. A DK employee made a mistake in publishing what seems to be his weekly article, and he knew player % owned of later games in the slate, but he should have published that later instead of before 4PM. And now, everyone who has ever lost money in DFS is saying that Ethan, and most pros, probably cheat.

    I mostly agree here. I understand the issue, but I do think its spiraling out of control. Some of these ‘theories’ are absolutely insane.

  • budfox6

    @Ryazan said...

    The Patriots won the superbowl last year because they cheated and deflated footballs to have an insider advantage over other teams – right?? Or were there 0 facts and it was all jealousy and accusations?? what???? oh that’s right

    lol I picture you doing shots before each post and pulling your hair out.

  • coqburn

    @Ryazan said...

    what insider data do people know that bothers you? Do you think everyone takes MaxDalury’s lineup cuz they see it 1 hour before it locks? what happens to those that take his lineup, and then he changes it with 5 minutes left?

    Dk confirmed that no one knew ownership % ahead of 1pm. They knew it after 1pm and before 4pm, but that is exacly why they cant play on DK. They play on fanduel and you can’t do anything with that info on fanduel There is no “inside” info.

    So naive its amazing.

    DK coming out and saying something means nothing to me. “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” comes to mind, the most powerful man on earth lying to the world.

    The fact that you do not think ownership % matter really boggles my mind as you are a successful player. The advantage in MLB would be tremendous (much larger than NFL).

    Also your claim to if you entered 500 LUs every day in the slam you would win. They why haven’t you if its that easy? Do not tell me time. I would spend all the time in the world for guaranteed money.

    Also your heater is much much different than his, like most pros coming to his aid in terms of their heaters during the year. Crushing the smaller field size GPPs (monster, the 1k ones, etc…) versus crushing the slam is different.

  • slohaylee

    @Ryazan said...

    can the logical people please realize that quite literally, NOTHING bad has happened. No one was doing insider trading. A DK employee made a mistake in publishing what seems to be his weekly article, and he knew player % owned of later games in the slate, but he should have published that later instead of before 4PM. And now, everyone who has ever lost money in DFS is saying that Ethan, and most pros, probably cheat.

    lol buddy keep tryin to put out the raging forest fire with your spray bottle full of disinformation, it’s noble work you’re doing

  • Ryazan

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    @jkidd1084 said...

    You do realize there are other non-DK sites than FanDuel, right? Who is to say he can’t see the data and use it on late swap sites? Yahoo, for example..

    what DATA? A % of a player being owned is not DATA that will help someone win money. I could cheat and see that Calvin Johnson is 2% owned last night, is that somehow data that will help me win anything?

  • y2mulder

    I need to get #NewDraftkingsPromoCodes trending. Who is with me???!?!?!?

  • nbkblaze1

    Most of us realize a certain players popularity can be attained through the vegas lines. Maybe not an exact percentage, but you can get an idea if you know how to read them. Unfortunately there have been state legislators beginning to ask questions before this leak, and i think it’s going to get a lot worse. I just hope the industry can survive the criticism and possible regulations coming from lawmakers who make hundreds of thousands every year on insider trading.

  • Runantelope

    @Ryazan said...

    Dk confirmed that no one knew ownership % ahead of 1pm. They knew it after 1pm and before 4pm, but that is exacly why they cant play on DK. They play on fanduel and you can’t do anything with that info on fanduel There is no “inside” info.

    Sweet how you just avoid questions about the legitimacy of DKs stating that in this one incident at this one time the data he received right then didnt help him.

    Questions is how much has this been helping for him and lots of other insiders.

    Why wouldnt someone who works there, just for example, notice arian foster is owned WAAAAY less than what all the projections are saying, and they mention it to their buddy at break, who goes and sets foster in his lineups and optimizes 50 lineups around that one juicy detail, that even you mister “my gut is better than empirical real time data” didnt know.

    They said nothing happened as far as cheating in this admitted data breach, do they even have any data policy at all? can you answer instead of copying and pasting your fanboy rhetoric?

  • mellofellowsu

    @bjk121 said...

    I mostly agree here. I understand the issue, but I do think its spiraling out of control. Some of these ‘theories’ are absolutely insane.

    I think we on here are making it a much bigger deal than the rest of the world is. The media needs a punching bag. Right now it’s DFS. Once they wear it out for a couple of days this will die down. There is no imminent shutdown.

    That said, DK/FD need to learn from this and not just wipe their brow saying “whew, that was close!”

  • fantasygirl00

    its on CNBC yet again

  • budfox6

    lol this is like when the high frequency trading episode hit 60 minutes stating that the market was rigged and all my friends and family asked me if I was going to be out of a job. So I can understand why pros/people in the industry are offended when outsiders with no skin in the game come in and speculate and assume.

  • einars

    @lggarruto said...

    How much overlay will tbere be??

    very little imo. most people that are coming up with the absurd theories either dont play already anyway and are just trying to stir up trouble, or, if they do play, are unwilling to put their money where their mouth is and not play.

  • jkidd1084

    • 2015 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

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    @Ryazan said...

    what DATA? A % of a player being owned is not DATA that will help someone win money. I could cheat and see that Calvin Johnson is 2% owned last night, is that somehow data that will help me win anything?

    Yes. You should probably quit posting.

    Ex. You have Calvin and AJ Green at the same price. Calvin is projected for 18.2 and AJ is projected for 18.3. You see that AJ is 18% owned and Calvin is 3% owned. Based on your posts, I’d guess that you still take AJ because he’s projected for more points.. lol

  • donnybasbl

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    @Ryazan said...

    can the logical people please realize that quite literally, NOTHING bad has happened. No one was doing insider trading. A DK employee made a mistake in publishing what seems to be his weekly article, and he knew player % owned of later games in the slate, but he should have published that later instead of before 4PM. And now, everyone who has ever lost money in DFS is saying that Ethan, and most pros, probably cheat.

    You have no idea what happened or didn’t happened. Stop pretending that you do.

    DK and FD probably still aren’t 100% sure what happened. They are likely still doing their due diligence, not just on this, but on internal controls as a whole.

  • budfox6

    And the last thing we need is Harry Reid commenting on this lol. #UIGEA

  • MikeMineo

    @coqburn said...

    Also your heater is much much different than his, like most pros coming to his aid in terms of their heaters during the year. Crushing the smaller field size GPPs (monster, the 1k ones, etc…) versus crushing the slam is different.

    thank you

  • pmsimkins

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • 2015 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    @realdeals said...

    For the record I haven’t made any crazy allegations, but this is an issue if it’s true that employees that play on other sites had % prior to game lock. For you math challenged guys here is a copy and paste from another poster back on page 55.

    #1. This is a major issue. For those of you who are trying to minimize the edge of this data having been accessible … shame on you for even trying. You are embarrassing yourself. Lots of DFS players are very intelligent. Many are technically skills in STEM fields. So, pls stop it before you put your foot further into your mouth. For novices or poets, pls go present the situation to someone (e.g., your college math professor) and have her/him explain why this insider information means not a “small” edge but extreme advantage. DFS is purely math when such data is exposed. I’m lazy too to a degree so I do not want to explain it in granular detail here. Again, ask your former math professor or a friend with a deep understanding of math. One simple way to describe it in that you would take the highest owned low salaried players and then join those with the lowest owned high salaried players. And, you largely ignore the low owned, low salaried. Then, you do the same in tiers and in reverse … mid owned low salaries with high owned high salaries. Then, high owned low salaries with mid owned high salaries. It’s a variant of using permutation calculations and adhering to the fundamental counting principle. And doing so while limiting it via some game/player analysis (yes, there is always an element of non-math based skills mainly to narrow the multi event math). However, having this ownership data reduces that chance element and heightens the probability of using pure math to score very high. Now, do I believe Ethan did all of this. Of course not. But I’m sitting here writing this long diatribe so anything is possible is you just_try_hard_enough_to_believe_it.

    Luckily I’m an engineer whose math and stats background goes way beyond anything applicable to DFS, so I really don’t need to ask a math prof or random guy from page 55 who knows exactly how to win but doesn’t.

    Arguing about LU theory is beside my point. Put as much importance on ownership as you want. The point is that there are no meaningful suprises on ownership come Sunday on FD You can pay to know by entering Thursday, or just go crazy and use common sense.

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