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  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    As the leader in daily fantasy sports, we place an importance on listening to our valued player community. That is why we are proud to announce our new policies, applicable across all sports, to improve the DraftKings experience. Collectively these policies are called the DraftKings Player First Initiative.

    Enhanced Contest Eligibility

    Effective immediately, all low entry fee contests are available to everyone except the highest-volume DraftKings players.

    • The highest-volume DraftKings players cannot enter contests with entry fees less than $3.
    • The highest-volume DraftKings players are permitted to enter contests with entry fees between $3 and $5 if the guaranteed prize pool is greater than $25,000.

    To help use celebrate this new policy, we will post a promotional MLB “$50K “BIG TWO$” contest on Monday May 21st and Tuesday May 22nd!
    enter now: MLB $50K BIG Two$ [$5K to 1st, 2X Min Cash]

    Enhanced Multi-Entry Limits

    • All contests with an entry fee less than $5 will continue to be 20 entries max.
    • To allow players to experience the excitement of entering up to 150 lineups in a single contest, we will also offer special mini-MAX contests with low entry fees.

    To help use celebrate this new policy, we will post a promotional MLB “$5K mini-MAX $0.25 entry contest that allows players to enter up to 150 times on Monday May 21st!
    enter now: MLB $5K Mini-MAX [150 Entry Max, Just $0.25!]

    These policy improvements were inspired by feedback gathered from players like you within the global DraftKings community. We would like to thank everyone for their insight, over time we will continue to refine our policies to provide the best possible game experience for all.

    - Steven & Christie, DraftKings Community Team

    https://www.draftkings.com/lp/player-first

  • mike291md

    What happened to the quarter buy-in $10,000 guaranteeds we used to get regularly? It seems like the MLB GPP guarantees have gotten so weak this year. Everything is a $5,000, even the 15 game slate the other night was a $5,000 guarantee.

    Take tonight’s 150 entry quarter tourney. 7th place out of 23,000 entries gets you $20. I’m sorry that just feels so weak and not worthwhile especially if you are max entering. You don’t even get your max entry fee back if one of your lineups hits 7th and the rest bust.

    Rake has gone up pretty high and these GPP’s are half as juicy as they were just last year. This isn’t even about flat payout structures, it’s just the tournament in general is weak. Let it sink in that 7th place out of 23,000 doesn’t even get a max entry buy-in back. People are happy the 150 buy-in is back but that’s not going to keep people enticed, in my opinion.

    Do you plan to bring back the $10,000 quarter entry guarantees or are those dead?

  • timgodd375

    @mike291md said...

    What happened to the quarter buy-in $10,000 guaranteeds we used to get regularly? It seems like the MLB GPP guarantees have gotten so weak this year. Everything is a $5,000, even the 15 game slate the other night was a $5,000 guarantee.

    Take tonight’s 150 entry quarter tourney. 7th place out of 23,000 entries gets you $20. I’m sorry that just feels so weak and not worthwhile especially if you are max entering. You don’t even get your max entry fee back if one of your lineups hits 7th and the rest bust.

    Rake has gone up pretty high and these GPP’s are half as juicy as they were just last year. This isn’t even about flat payout structures, it’s just the tournament in general is weak. Let it sink in that 7th place out of 23,000 doesn’t even get a max entry buy-in back. People are happy the 150 buy-in is back but that’s not going to keep people enticed, in my opinion.

    Do you plan to bring back the $10,000 quarter entry guarantees or are those dead?

    Totally agree, and in all honesty, it ALL revolves around the rake. That is what DK needs to listen too but on top of that the $1 “Mini-max” for tomorrow is 5900 entries for a $5000 prize pool with 1st getting 250 and second 150… That is soooo pointless. Like I want to max enter the $1 entry but bring rake down and make the prize pools ATLEAST 10x bigger. It will fill. Do not worry DK

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    @Njsum1 said...

    I disagree…today’s mini max’s excluded as DK is demoing these contests with a smaller field, the regular QA IMO has one of the best pay structures of any GPP.

    The 5k quarter posted for tomorrow has 5% for first. That’s such a lame prize for a 25c entry where you attract lots of people that just want to gamble and have a big prize up top… I think people would rather put in their quarter and have a shot at 1k than at $250.

  • kwdamp

    @DSofM said...

    The 5k quarter posted for tomorrow has 5% for first. That’s such a lame prize for a 25c entry where you attract lots of people that just want to gamble and have a big prize up top… I think people would rather put in their quarter and have a shot at 1k than at $250.

    I agree that the quarter contests could be more top heavy. But…. for weeks most of the RG community here has been grilling them for more even payouts that aren’t top heavy. So, they’ve actually given most of us exactly what we ask for…just maybe in a place we don’t necessarily want it.

  • ASalvaro

    geez they start listening to us now that sports betting is legal and they don’t want to lose us but before they catered to the the sharks and didn’t care what we thought..i feel so cheap and used! :)

  • jimmyrad

    I like that you guys are trying some stuff out here, kudos. That said I can’t even fathom the thought process behind a $1/150 max/$5K(lol)/$250 to 1st(lol wtf). Help me understand, because on it’s face this GPP looks like the least thought out product any company has ever brought to market in the entire history of the world.

  • Brandon6385

    Looks like I missed the boat on the $.25/150 max for the FPPs….. DOH!!

  • 2Slik

    Just so the few comments don’t bleed through a positive night, the 150 max $.25 was a lot of fun!

    I’ll be ready to fire another one up when you make it available. Yes the $1 tourney should be bigger given the scenario but excellent work.

  • Brandon6385

    Thinking more about it, I’m pretty P***ED about it…

  • bigez952

    @Brandon6385 said...

    Thinking more about it, I’m pretty P***ED about it…

    From my understanding yesterday wasn’t the only time ever that the 150 $0.25 games are going to be available and with how popular they were and how fast they filled I am guessing we will see them occasionally offered throughout the remainder of the MLB season.

  • Brandon6385

    @bigez952 said...

    From my understanding yesterday wasn’t the only time ever that the 150 $0.25 games are going to be available and with how popular they were and how fast they filled I am guessing we will see them occasionally offered throughout the remainder of the MLB season.

    I hope your right!.. But I can’t see DK handing out that many FPPs’

  • flip4flop

    I was told by support that the .25 150 max entry do not count for the scoring position FPP bonus but the $1 ones would.

    I couldnt even try to join the $1 version yesterday as it filled before I even got out of work. The prize pool is garbage and why bet 150 to maybe win 250, the only reason to right now is the FPP bonus which after you do it once makes it pointless to try again. I dont know who put that payout structure together but they didnt seem to put ANY thought into it when compared to other 150 entry prize pools. Being that conservative on a $1 contest is crazy.

  • Jeddy3

    So, the $0.25 150 max didn’t count towards the fpp bonus promotion? Kinda figured it couldn’t.

  • Brandon6385

    @Jeddy3 said...

    So, the $0.25 150 max didn’t count towards the fpp bonus promotion? Kinda figured it couldn’t.

    If you guys read through the thread, someone from DK said it would count. That’s why I’m so salty about missing it..

  • bigez952

    @Jeddy3 said...

    So, the $0.25 150 max didn’t count towards the fpp bonus promotion? Kinda figured it couldn’t.

    It should count but you don’t get credited with the big league achievement FPP’s until around noon EST the following day so you should see them in a few hours. I was originally told the $0.25 150 max does not count but DK support reached out to me the following day and told me they were going to honor the $0.25 150 game so you should have them by the end of today.

  • sutogame

    @flip4flop said...

    I was told by support that the .25 150 max entry do not count for the scoring position FPP bonus but the $1 ones would.

    I couldnt even try to join the $1 version yesterday as it filled before I even got out of work. The prize pool is garbage and why bet 150 to maybe win 250, the only reason to right now is the FPP bonus which after you do it once makes it pointless to try again. I dont know who put that payout structure together but they didnt seem to put ANY thought into it when compared to other 150 entry prize pools. Being that conservative on a $1 contest is crazy.

    They do count if you entered 10 lineups in arcade you were given the fpps prior to this 150 max

  • libra989

    The .25c contest counted for the bonus FPPs. The Scoring Position is showing as cleared and this is the only contest I’ve entered 150 lineups in.

  • flip4flop

    @libra989 said...

    The .25c contest counted for the bonus FPPs. The Scoring Position is showing as cleared and this is the only contest I’ve entered 150 lineups in.

    of course why should I trust the DK player services who said it would not count so I didnt enter….is it that hard for customer service people to be on the same page. I would have entered that in a second if I would have gotten the correct answer. Pissed at DK again right now.

  • Jeddy3

    Crap, knew I should have run a 150 team train.

  • WidumBoise

    @bigez952 said...

    From my understanding yesterday wasn’t the only time ever that the 150 $0.25 games are going to be available and with how popular they were and how fast they filled I am guessing we will see them occasionally offered throughout the remainder of the MLB season.

    Occasionally?

    Not sure why it isn’t in their best interest to run these contests EVERY SLATE for EVERY SPORT.

    It is what the small stakes grinders want.

  • timgodd375

    Yeah, it should be running every day for every sport and MUCH bigger contests. It will fill, do not worry. I have zero doubt in my mind that a $50,000 $1 150 max constest would fill

  • britdevine

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    @timgodd375 said...

    Yeah, it should be running every day for every sport and MUCH bigger contests. It will fill, do not worry. I have zero doubt in my mind that a $50,000 $1 150 max constest would fill

    The Max you want is a $25k to keep the 400 High volume types out of it

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    Is this new $0.25 150 entry max qualify for the big league promotions scoring position part of the promo? I am guessing it is not since you would earn more FPP’s than what 150 entries at $0.25 cost but I can’t find anything in the terms of conditions about this. It should be clarified if it is eligible or not now that this new game is being introduced mid season.

    Correct! The $0.25 Mini-MAX and all future mini-MAX contests will qualify for the Big League Draft “The Scoring Position” Achievement. Sorry it took so long for us to respond to this question, our coworkers in customer service have already answered this question correctly yesterday (see page 3 & 4 of this thread). It’s been a very busy few days; we thank you for your patience.

    It has to count for the MLB achievements. The requirement is very clearly stated: “Total lineups entered into the same paid MLB contest (any game style)” Just hope this doesn’t prevent them from continuing to run these in the future for MLB; now that I’m sure they’re realizing they just gifted 150 people 25,000 fpp.

    I contacted support last night as well and they told me that the $0.25 150 max would count towards any stat based big league achievements such as the strikeouts and homeruns but not the entry based ones like the league and scoring position position as those need to be a min buy in of $1 to count. I read the terms and conditions multiple times and I don’t see the $1 requirement listed anywhere so I am guessing they will get updated today now that they people like me really wanted to throw in 150 entries for $37.50 to get $58+ in free FPP’s as I still have levels 3-8 available to unlock in the scoring position section.

    The $0.25 mini-MAX was a special one-time entry fee price to help us launch the Player First Initiative, we intend to provide other contest entry prices going forward for MLB. Be on the lookout for a $1 mini-MAX with up to 150 max entries for Wednesday that will feature this payout curve:

    I do really like the MLB $50K BIG TWO$ [$5K TO 1ST, 2X MIN CASH] contest. Especially if the top 400 high volume players aren’t eligible. That seems like it could be a game changer if we start seeing daily contests like this.

    So glad you like it! Feedback like yours makes our job so rewarding.

    I’m glad DK seems to be listening to some suggestions, and I don’t mind these changes. That being said, it would be wonderful if you would start heeding some of the suggestions from your medium and high volume players, who have repeatedly asked for better payout structures in your GPPs. Instead, we have a $6 150 max that pays 33% to first and a $55 150 max that pays 20% to first. I understand that you want to appeal to the super casual players by putting a large number up top, but it seems unsustainable long-term.

    Thanks for this feedback! We must not deny the representation of our ever-growing segment of lower-volume players, as they make up the majority of the player community after all. Don’t worry, we very much understand the needs of medium and high volume players, and over time we’re constantly working to improve the experience for all.

    Did the restrictions on the high volume players go into effect immediately? I was excited to log into DK this morning to join some $5 contests with guaranteed prize pools of $25,000 or less, but looking through some of them I still see some very well known names that I would think fall into the 1 Million+ in entry fees category. I guess I don’t know for sure though, maybe they don’t fall into that category… Or could it be that the restriction is technically $3 to less than $5 entry ($3.00-$4.99 contests) and/or less than $25,000 ($24,999 or less) guaranteed prize?

    Ugh, I hope not…was really looking forward to some $5 entries without the high volume guys. The original post does clearly state “greater than” $25,000 GPP which I would take to mean $25,000.01 or higher, but I could see the interpretation of “between $3 and $5” to mean $3.00 or $3.01 to $4.99. I really hope not though, hopefully DK will clarify.

    The highest-volume players are ineligible to enter contests if the entry fee is less than $3.
    They are also ineligible to enter contests when the entry fee is less than $5 if the prize pool
    is less than $25,000 guaranteed.

    Therefore:

    • A contest with a $4.99 entry fee would have restrictions that would not allow the highest volume players to participate if the prize pool is under $25k
    • A contest with a $5 entry fee would be unrestricted, the highest volume players are permitted to participate.

    That is why you may have seen some of the highest-volume players in $5 contests today – they are not restricted from entry.

    Thanks for re-opening new contest this morning, maxing in the mini 5k QA is the first time I’ve maxed a 150 and am quite excited. I will suggest one thing, for the $1 I’d try to find a way to get the 1st place prize a little higher even if it isn’t the flattest pay structure. I was considering maxing that as well but there isn’t much incentive to enter $150 into a GPP when 1st place only gets $250.
    Awesome! We hope your experience of entering 150 lineups was as exciting as the higher stakes players find it to be!

    We shared your feedback with our MLB contest managers, their intention was a flat structure but we agree it may have been a tad too flat. We will be posting a $1 mini-MAX contest tomorrow that features a much better payout structure (see the image above for details)

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    Well, color me #disappointed (somewhat)…the original post here is incorrect according to the Player Initiative page on draftkings.com. The post here says “greater than” $25,000…on the site it specifically says less than $25,000. Also here it says between $3 and $5, the site says $3 and above or BELOW $5. Overall the changes are still very good, but the way it was phrased here was a little misleading…was really looking forward to the $5 contests without the high volume players.
    The first post in this thread says “The highest-volume DraftKings players are permitted to enter contests with entry fees between $3 and $5 if the guaranteed prize pool is greater than $25,000.”

    We tailored the RotoGrinders statement to explain what the highest-volume players are permitted to do, where as the landing page statement at https://www.draftkings.com/lp/player-first explains what the highest-volume players are not permitted to do.

    Does that help clarify?

    I hope they run the .25/$1 150 max for nascar too, it would fill easily as well

    Our co-workers that manage the NASCAR contests were just speaking with us about Mini-MAX. Hmm…

    +100 awesome to see they are listening

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • mike291md

    @Draftking_CM Do you plan to bring back the $10,000 quarter entry guarantees or are those dead? Why has the MLB offerings, which used to be around $10,000 guarantee at a quarter buy-in on a regular basis, no longer exist? The tournaments have been cut in half. $5,000 for a 15 game slate is super weak compared to previous years. I could understand for maybe a small slate but for a huge slate like that?

    Someone has to ask the tough questions because rake is still high and the tournament offerings have gotten weaker. You’re giving us 150 entry, which is great for those who wanted higher entry limits, but not so great when say 7th place only pays $20 and you’ve maxed entered at close to $40. Do you plan to make the GPP’s bigger so you can offer higher guarantees or is this likely the norm?

    ***Just to update: Take today’s $1 GPP buy-in for example. You’re offering a 3 entry max $1 that pays the exact same structure as your 150 max entry $1. That structure works for a 3 entry max where you get more than your entry fee back for placing very well, but how does that work for a 150 entry? Why should one be enticed to max enter into a 150 that pays the exact same as a 3 entry max?

    As it stands now, you’re basically funneling everyone at a similar buy-in fee into the exact same tournament payout structure, no matter the entry limit. I can’t fathom why a 150 entry tourney would payout the exact same as a 3 entry, 20 entry, and so on. The 150 entry should be way bigger.

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