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  • Wigand

    Does anyone know what it is? Their “Terms of Use” is nebulous on the subject. I would assume it is violative of said terms of use, but their policies seemingly do not address this issue specifically. If anyone is cognizant of or has had any experience with this issue your input and/or commentary would be appreciated.

    Mucho Thanks.

  • meerkatmreow

    How is “You may establish only one account per person to participate in the Services offered on the Website.” nebulous?

  • catmando

    per family? we all know many people have accounts for other family members..IE wife..husband…dog..etc

  • walkoff9

    Where are you getting this..

    One account per person…..what is unclear about that?

  • Wigand

    Actually, I completely agree with you — but I did not want to overlook something in acknowledging the obvious. So then, does DraftKings not take their own policy seriously or does it simply look the other way for certain offenders of said policy?

    SEE the following DraftKings contests for example(s):
    #25732842/10-entry maximum — note the 8th AND 40th place finishers.

    #25732843/50-entry max — note the 20th AND 175th place finishers.

    #25738673/100-entry max — note the 15th AND 325th place finishers.

    This has actually been going on quite a bit. If anyone has any explanations that this could be an example of anything other than multi-accounting I’m all ears (eyes).

    Thanks.

  • madmanjayWV

    HMMMMMMMM —- if you had the actual game links that would be easier to see

  • Wigand

    @madmanjayWV said...

    HMMMMMMMM —- if you had the actual game links that would be easier to see

    Sorry, new here. I didn’t know if they permitted links and assumed everyone knew how to find the contests.

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/25732842

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/25732843

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/25738673

    (You have to sign-in to you DK account to view the contests.)

  • madmanjayWV

    My best guess is it’s just a couple of DFS dudes who share lineups and run 2-man trains from the looks of it….nothing big

  • Wigand

    DraftKings’ terms of use specifically prohibits “lineup-sharing”.

  • slcseas

    Their policy is written clear as day, their enforcement is on the other hand is sketchy af. They make no effort to police or punish it. Don’t expect that to change.

    They had to create rules to ride out the shitstorm from the past year, but they aren’t going to alienate their biggest customers at a time when their business is struggling.

    To be clear, I never cared about entry limits anyway. Its just mildly insulting that they don’t even try to pretend to police it and expect us to believe they are.

  • madmanjayWV

    @Wigand said...

    DraftKings’ terms of use specifically prohibits “lineup-sharing”.

    Prohibits lineup sharing— lol…

    Are they working on legislation through CONgress to ban all sites and twitter accounts who sell DFS LINEUPS?

  • walkoff9

    Lineup sharing is a very vague term. If one lineup is being used by tons of people, then yeah seems like they are sharing lineups.

    2 guys like in the links above is more of a DFS team working together to build lineups.

  • Mphst18

    Funny thing if you put in Google wigand multi accounting the second page that comes up is a guy named Brian Hastings who was multi accounting in poker and guess who now plays dfs and most likely multi accounts!! The sites only choose to enforce their TOS if you don’t contribute enough revenue to them. Guys like daut44 and makeitrain have been caught by dk colluding yet still play on the site cause they contribute a lot of revenue to dk. You have guys like Peter Feldman indicted for Money laundering in poker and now plays dfs, so much for KYC as its a high probability more money laundering is going on. The top .1 percent of players contribute 60 percent of the revenue to dk. IF these top .1 percent could figure out how to change their lineup 1 min before the last games ended the sites still wouldn’t do anything about it because it’s not the sites money whose being cheated.

  • billholler

    @Mphst18 said...

    Funny thing if you put in Google wigand multi accounting the second page that comes up is a guy named Brian Hastings who was multi accounting in poke

    In the early PartyPoker days, we had a small crew that would team play using Yahoo group messages. We always made sure to have 5 players at a full cash tables and multiple tables at the same time. If we were short a player, one of us would always use a secondary account. It wasn’t originally a violation but once it was, it was hard to police.

  • NCRick

    @billholler said...

    In the early PartyPoker days, we had a small crew that would team play using Yahoo group messages. We always made sure to have 5 players at a full cash tables and multiple tables at the same time. If we were short a player, one of us would always use a secondary account. It wasn’t originally a violation but once it was, it was hard to police.

    So your admitting your a cheat, or just joking?

  • billholler

    @NCRick said...

    So your admitting your a cheat, or just joking?

    Pretty sure I said it wasn’t against their terms of service at the time.

    EDIT: Some of our guys got banned before it was a violation. BTW, we were all casino employees at the time.

  • Zieg30

    @Wigand said...

    Sorry, new here. I didn’t know if they permitted links and assumed everyone knew how to find the contests.

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/25732842

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/25732843

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/25738673

    (You have to sign-in to you DK account to view the contests.)

    That appears to be the same player playing multiple lineups? That’s multi-entry, not multi-accounting.

    Or are you seeing something I’m not?

  • billholler

    @Zieg30 said...

    That appears to be the same player playing multiple lineups? That’s multi-entry, not multi-accounting.

    Or are you seeing something I’m not?

    Three different times where the same 2 players had identical multiple lineups.

  • reeb

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/25157396?uc=419856616

    Three people sharing in the above. It happens quite often especially in the smaller sports.

  • garybmw

    @Zieg30 said...

    That appears to be the same player playing multiple lineups? That’s multi-entry, not multi-accounting.

    Or are you seeing something I’m not?

    Zieg!! What are you up to during the NHL off season??? lol Im sooooooooooo bored

  • MrSnuffleupagus

    Heres the deal. As long as everyone in your house hold has their own payment set up, there allowed to play in the same GPP.

    Yes theres tons of people out there who have their “wife” sign up and then max out the entries in the same GPP.

  • smutpeddlers

    Stop playing cash and play large field gpp or 100/20 man tournies

  • divusjulius

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    geez, did anybody bother to look at the player names? if one is unfamiliar with mass multi-entry strategy i understand how that can look like colluding, but many of the high volume, highly successful players either use the same algo’s or the same projection or probability models, which which generally point to the same player pool in MLB. a lineup optimizer (or a person or team with a lot of time to do it by hand) then produces the hundreds (if not thousands) of rated lineups, and since these players are using either the same kind of multi-entry strategy and/or the same type of projection/probability algo’s the get the same (or almost the same lineup).

    i’ll bet there were also other players who arrived at that lineup, some even without using an algo or optimizer. on top of all that this is a cash game, and for players following established cash game strategy methods, the pool of players who are considered proper or edge plays is much, much smaller than the pool of players considered usable in a GPP. in addition, in cash games, some methods see using the same players as other grinders (or simply highly owned players) as a way to further reduce variance and increase the likely hood of reaching the cash line.

    hell, the other night in the fan duel $3 squeeze theclone and ganadorf, and myself ( and several other players who were under 100th place) had several lineups that were identical or varied by only a player or two. (mets/angles/twins). when people use the same general strategies, its not unusual that they might come to the same conclusions. i wish i knew how to make lineups as well as they do.

    in anycase, both players have profiles here. i believe that youcadau is a team of 2 or 3 people like rayofhope. but they are running a business (playing professionally). youcadau is one of the highest ranked dfs players in the world, and pretty well known as a mass entry style player

    youcadau

    madoublet98

    lol you created an account just to post this here?

  • Zieg30

    @garybmw said...

    Zieg!! What are you up to during the NHL off season??? lol Im sooooooooooo bored

    Ha. I MLB DFS during the Summer. Been dabbling in golf. Can’t wait for October, though!

  • Zieg30

    @billholler said...

    Three different times where the same 2 players had identical multiple lineups.

    Aha, I see. I hadn’t noticed that.

    Yeah, likely lineup sharing or coincidence, but who knows.

  • jrob11811

    There is no real secret that alot of the top players work together. The most notables now are CSU and Birdwings. They will have the same cash lineup every night. I don’t have a problem with it…just pointing out that there is no doubt that it happens.

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