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  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    After a lengthy amount of time spent sourcing research insights from the community to improve our DFS Soccer experience, we’re excited to announce key scoring improvements that will be rolling out effective August 3. The Soccer rules page has been updated to reflect the changes: https://www.draftkings.com/help/rules/soc

    Showdown Scoring Changes

    • Captain position added: Draft a captain to lead your fantasy lineup. Captains cost 1.5x salary, while scoring 1.5x fantasy points.
    • Scoring standardizations: Showdown scoring is now aligned with classic scoring for easier play across game styles.
    • To simplify gameplay between Classic and Showdown, we’ve removed positional-based scoring for goals & assists
    • Remove missed penalty kick deduction: You won’t be penalized if a player in your lineup misses a PK

    Classic Changes

    • New stat categories: Just as you would in Showdown mode, you can now earn points for assisted shot, accurate pass, shootout goals, misses and saves (assisted shot is a final pass from which a shot on goal is taken. accurate pass is an intentionally played ball from one player to another.)
    • Point reduction for Crosses: Every Cross will get you .7 points instead of .75 points
    • Remove Missed Penalty Kick deduction: You won’t be penalized if a player in your lineup misses a PK

    Overall Changes

    • Assisted Shot is now worth +1 across both game types
    • Accurate Pass is now worth +0.02 across both game types

    As always, DraftKings is committed to a continued effort of evaluating changes in order to change the game and improve the experience for all of our users.

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • Yeoman

    @rausch180 said...

    Might be lack of available data feeds given it’s the qualifying stage still. I expect they’ll switch to the usual pick 5 games from early, 5 games from late once the group stage starts.

    I don’t think it’s this—soccerway uses the OPTA feed to run their livestream (basically they show each pass, etc., w/ player name and location on the field—it’s an odd way to the follow a game but it’s something) and they had one for the game at Ararat-Armenia. If they can manage that, surely there were feeds for the matches at Feyenoord and Celtic and Espanyol etc.

  • JH822547

    They might not want to offer games without live TV coverage or maybe the games were so unappetising they thought a two game slate with ‘big’ name teams would be more attractive.

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    @rausch180 said...

    Might be lack of available data feeds given it’s the qualifying stage still. I expect they’ll switch to the usual pick 5 games from early, 5 games from late once the group stage starts.

    Precisely right! For us it is a stats coverage issue, there are so many games being played in locations that we do not have stats available for. That will normalize shortly.

    Make it Reign!

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • Yeoman

    @JH822547 said...

    They might not want to offer games without live TV coverage or maybe the games were so unappetising they thought a two game slate with ‘big’ name teams would be more attractive.

    That’s why I made the Red Sox/Yankees comment. If they insist on limiting slates to big-name teams, they lose me. (I’m not a big enough player that they should care, of course.)

    Exhibit B: There was a time when we used to get Primera slates on Saturday. Then we had a period of Interliga slates, combining France, Spain, Italy (I know Germany’s been a problem for other reasons). Tomorrow there are ten matches in those three leagues, and what do we get? A showdown slate for the match at Getafe.

    Admittedly, there’s no competition at the moment since Yahoo’s dismantled their offerings even more thoroughly. It’s a shame no firm in the industry takes soccer seriously; I hope that will eventually change.

  • JH822547

    OK this bothers me.

    The ‘main slate’ tommorow should combine all three EPL matches, instead the biggest GPP is a two match slate with the televised match featuring Man City excluded.

  • hcassidy

    Well thats what you get from one that decided those ‘who miss a PK’ get a free pass(they are paid Millions to make them) yet those ones who foul hard that are paid those same millions lose points because of yellow cards.

    Cant win them all

  • hcassidy

    After today, completely done with DK DFS Soccer. its a freaking joke(was 1st time playing since new rules)

  • rausch180

    @hcassidy said...

    Well thats what you get from one that decided those ‘who miss a PK’ get a free pass(they are paid Millions to make them) yet those ones who foul hard that are paid those same millions lose points because of yellow cards.

    I thought the change worked pretty ok yesterday. Rashford owners still effectively lost out because of the miss what with the likes of Salah and Martial (to some extent) ended up doing. Was pretty gutting that he missed. A slate changing swing. I already felt buried because of that so why keep digging me deeper.

    Realistically if United get 10 pens across the season, Rashford will take maybe 5 of them, score 4/5. Across a season the rule change is very minor impact. Makes it a tiny bit better to pick a pen taker, which tend to be the fun players anyway. A negligible change either way.

  • JH822547

    Looks like the ‘late’ game on Saturday is being left of the main slate now.

    I wouldn’t have minded it last year because that game wasn’t part of my TV package, but now Sky have it so y’know.

  • FightingLikeBeavers

    These scoring changes appear to make smaller slates more viable, which is a good thing. However, that shouldn’t be an acceptable excuse to remove games from a slate just because you want to collect more rake in showdown. Also, in my opinion a lot of these slates are unplayable due to the terrible contest structures, as mentioned by several in this thread already, which is why I have significantly cut down my volume. With no marketing towards soccer and smaller guarantees, I suspect that the player pool contains a much higher percentage of regs than other sports, so why do persist with extremely top-heavy payouts? Obviously I don’t have the same data you do, but I’d be very surprised if people are entering a 2 game Monday night interleague slate purely because it’s $200 to first instead of $70, for example.

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    The volume of Soccer Classic contest offerings has remained the same year over year, even with the new scoring changes. You have our assurance that we are not removing games from classic contests to promote Showdown.

    Which specific contests, in your opinion, would you request that we revise? Our team is in the middle of a process to revise the frequency & regularity of different payout structures we offer. We always remain committed to evaluating all suggestions, and also remain open to making adjustments if our testing & data support the decision.

    Make it Reign!

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • FightingLikeBeavers

    @DraftKings_CM said...

    The volume of Soccer Classic contest offerings has remained the same year over year, even with the new scoring changes. You have our assurance that we are not removing games from classic contests to promote Showdown.

    By games, I meant real-life matches. E.g. the EPL slate this weekend only has 4 fixtures on it; previously this would have been 5 with the inclusion of the late game.

    As for contests, I personally don’t like anything where 20% of the prizepool goes to first, and the combination of the two is a stay-away for me in most cases. I can understand why you do one or the other in certain situations (e.g. a millionaire maker), but with soccer it feels like there are often slates where we see two or three iterations of these small field, top-heavy GPPs rather than a single contest with a higher entry cap. I understand why you’d want to set conservative guarantees/entry limits, but it’s not great for the players to have to deal with a worse payout structure and pay more rake to enter more contests. E.g. for the interleague slate tomorrow, why is the $100 Striker capped at 39 entrants? I imagine it will fill and there will be another couple of versions of it, with the payout structure getting worse each time but the rake remaining constant.

  • DraftKings_CM

    • DraftKings Representative

    By games, I meant real-life matches. E.g. the EPL slate this weekend only has 4 fixtures on it; previously this would have been 5 with the inclusion of the late game.

    If by the “late game”, you mean the 12:30PM game, that game was included in the main set. If you are thinking of the 7:30AM game, it is not included within the main set at this time.

    As for contests, I personally don’t like anything where 20% of the prizepool goes to first

    We’re in a constant cycle of testing, reviewing, and revising (where necessary) new payout curves. We understand that our user base, as a whole, enjoy a wide variety of contest & payout structures – including some who consider big first place prices to be a positive. Through this process, we can see to it that there are contest options for the widest variety of player needs.

    Make it Reign!

    - DraftKings Community Team

  • 1sharperedge1

    Why are the DK EPL slate options so weak? Today (10/3) there were 4 matches but DK only offered a 2 game slate. As of now – less than 24 hours away from the start of Sunday’s 6 matches, DK isn’t even offering an EPL slate.

    Mayne they are boycotting this whole EPL move to Peacock network??

  • rausch180

    The problem is all the games being moved to TV. I don’t think there will be much appeal for a 4 game slate starting at 12.30 BST, which is 07.30 EDT and 04.30 PDT depending where you are in the USA. Then having to check your lineups every 2.5 hours across a 7.5 hour span on a Saturday is not especially fun. The 3 game version they had been doing had not been filling either, so looks like they tried 2 games today.

    To get round games not starting at the same time they’ve also tried to reintroduce Bundesliga, which are all starting at the same time, but then it is a somewhat awkward league with licensing (as the league won’t allow German players to play, which is not ideal) and it then goes up against the Prem classic slate. I think they should do one or the other due to cannibalisation of a niche sport that is up against NFL, NBA, MLB and was against NHL. Once season’s end and its down to just NFL maybe more people will use soccer to get their fantasy fill, but until then putting Bundesliga and Prem classic so close to each other probably just causes them both to not succeed.

    The later Prem games on Saturday tend to be filled with the better clubs and are a friendlier start time for North American’s. I’d rather DK just really pushed the showdown slates of the last 2 Prem games on a Saturday. Make them as big as they can, even if that means cutting back on the classic to funnel money to showdown whilst the games are all staggered.

    Sunday just has very little chance going up against NFL. I don’t see what DK can do to help soccer there. It just won’t be very big.

  • 1sharperedge1

    Agree with a lot of what you said… maybe more showdowns on the big matches would help. Saturday is pretty wide open now with NHL done, adn NBA and MLB winding down. And perhaps a big Sun early am showdown on the earliest Prem game might help – its 5 hours before NFL so might have a nice little home.

  • Yeoman

    I will not play showdowns, full stop. Whatever they decide to put out with a full-size slate of matches, that’s what I’ll play, whatever league it is.

    I wish there were someplace I could move my business to, but a year ago I wrote that nobody in the industry seemed to be taking soccer seriously, and it’s only gotten worse in the interim. Yesterday’s Euro slate was an embarrassment. How do you make lineups when some teams have 2/3 of their starters left out of the player pool?

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