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  • fluffynuggets

    New to Yahoo DFS, and thoroughly enjoying the experience; but am consistently noticing an issue that gives me pause.

    Many contests are not showing ALL entrants/lineups AFTER lock. In these instances, several lineups are not showing on the contest page until 10 minutes (or more) after contest lock. Contest banner will show “x” number of entries; yet, entrants list shows fewer – until well after lock. Have been following this, and taking screenshots, from paid entries; and have dozens of examples. Does not happen in all contests, but too often to let slide.

    Check for yourself. Click “view contest” shortly after lock. Compare number of entries, in contest header, to those actually listed. For contest with 20, or fewer, entries this is easy to do with a simple count. For larger contests, go to the last page of listed entries, and compare to listed total. If you’re, also, noticing missing entries; just wait – page will auto-refresh when all entries become viewable (typically 10-11 minutes, sometimes longer).

    Contacted Yahoo customer support, only to have them try to push the issue to my end (equipment/connection issue). Knowing this was not the problem, contacted Daniel Haight – who assured me it was, indeed, a known issue; and being worked on. Unfortunately, despite initially seeing improvement, the issue persists – and seems to be getting worse. One contest, entered today, was missing 35 entrants/lineups – until 30 minutes after lock!

    Though assured (by customer service and Mr. Haight) that all entrants were actually entered prior to contest lock; that does little to allay concern. If ALL entrants/lineups are not viewable very soon (within one minute) after contest lock, it leaves too wide an avenue toward impropriety. While inclined to believe this is merely an anomaly in Yahoo’s server caching, it is nonetheless wholly unacceptable. If players cannot be sure that contests are completely above board, then incentive to play is seriously eroded.

    While loathe to bring this issue to the fore, it is my sincere hope that the RG community will help bring action to bear. I believe this situation could be alleviated by having a CSV, or XLS, download of contests available. Otherwise, players are forced to take Yahoo’s word that all is proper; and, of course, they’ve never given anyone reason to question.

    Please Yahoo, take this issue seriously – and fix it! I hope to continue playing on your site; but if this isn’t solved, it will force me out.

  • fluffynuggets

    Today a new one. In the NBA $1K Guaranteed [$100 to First] $.25 contest (@ 7PM EST), the banner says 4303 entrants; but there are actually 4314 entrants. How does that happen? And, how does Yahoo explain it?

  • madmanjayWV

    HMMMMMMMM —- good catch — would like to know the response.

  • gje627

    Before you read below, I want to apologize in advance if I’m somehow missing something and therefore not recognizing the true significance of your concern.

    Your most recent post states that the “banner” says there are 4,303 entrants in a contest when there are actually 4,314 contestants in the contest. In your original post to start the thread, you identify a contest “missing 35 lineups” but you don’t state the total number of entries in that contest.

    Unless I’m missing something more diabolical, at least in your latest post the difference is minuscule and your odds of winning don’t dramatically improve if it’s the former and not the latter. In other words, assuming one entry (1) in a contest, your odds under the banner are 1 in 4,303 and in the actual contest 1 in 4,314. Further assuming more entries, your odds of winning don’t noticeably improve with more entries (i.e. 2,3,4, …10,… 30 entries… yes, the math compounds but not in a statistically significant manner).

    So if you’re looking for overlay, which I assume you are, you’re really not gaining much with a difference of 11 entries out of 4,314 total entries.

    While I don’t play Yahoo, an analogous situation occurs on Draftkings and FanDuel as contests get close to lock. I too look for overlay but keep in mind as the countdown clock clicks down to contest lock, there is a substantial increase in the volume of entries into a contest; meaning there are likely a few seconds of buffer between the clock striking zero and the contest going live, meaning the final numbers could be off by a reasonable amount.

    Again, if I misinterpreted your concern please accept my apologies, but from what I’ve read I don’t see anything to be overly concerned about.

    Maybe you could clarify?

    EDIT: Alternatively, are you worried that Yahoo is exceeding it’s posted contest limits, and keeping the entry fees above the posted limits? Or could they simply be paying it in winnings distributed among high-scoring contestants?

  • fluffynuggets

    @gje627 said...

    Before you read below, I want to apologize in advance if I’m somehow missing something and therefore not recognizing the true significance of your concern.

    Your most recent post states that the “banner” says there are 4,303 entrants in a contest when there are actually 4,314 contestants in the contest. In your original post to start the thread, you identify a contest “missing 35 lineups” but you don’t state the total number of entries in that contest.

    Unless I’m missing something more diabolical, at least in your latest post the difference is minuscule and your odds of winning don’t dramatically improve if it’s the former and not the latter. In other words, assuming one entry (1) in a contest, your odds under the banner are 1 in 4,303 and in the actual contest 1 in 4,314. Further assuming more entries, your odds of winning don’t noticeably improve with more entries (i.e. 2,3,4, …10,… 30 entries… yes, the math compounds but not in a statistically significant manner).

    So if you’re looking for overlay, which I assume you are, you’re really not gaining much with a difference of 11 entries out of 4,314 total entries.

    While I don’t play Yahoo, an analogous situation occurs on Draftkings and FanDuel as contests get close to lock. I too look for overlay but keep in mind as the countdown clock clicks down to contest lock, there is a substantial increase in the volume of entries into a contest; meaning there are likely a few seconds of buffer between the clock striking zero and the contest going live, meaning the final numbers could be off by a reasonable amount.

    Again, if I misinterpreted your concern please accept my apologies, but from what I’ve read I don’t see anything to be overly concerned about.

    Maybe you could clarify?

    Not at all about overlay (though I love overlay). This is about fair, transparent contests. Some lineups/entrants being unviewable/unlisted until 10-30 minutes after lock leaves room for impropriety. That has been my primary issue.

    Today, however, (while checking for same issue) noticed this contest with MORE entries than actually entered – have screen shots to prove. If that’s not a problem; I don’t know what is. Contest (after lock, and currently) lists 4303 entries; while there are actually 4314 entires. 11 “ghost” entries is more than just bad optics.

    Again, not about overlay, or even odds. It is about the possibility of impropriety (and lack of transparency) in paid contests.

  • gje627

    @fluffynuggets said...

    Not at all about overlay (though I love overlay). This is about fair, transparent contests. Some lineups/entrants being unviewable/unlisted until 10-30 minutes after lock leaves room for impropriety. That has been my primary issue.

    Today, however, (while checking for same issue) noticed this contest with MORE entries than actually entered – have screen shots to prove. If that’s not a problem; I don’t know what is. Contest (after lock, and currently) lists 4303 entries; while there are actually 4314 entires. 11 “ghost” entries is more than just bad optics.

    Again, not about overlay, or even odds. It is about the possibility of impropriety (and lack of transparency) in paid contests.

    Could you read the edit to my previous post?

    Are they exceeding posted contest limits? If so, do you know how the additional entry fees are distributed (again per edit above)?

    EDIT AGAIN (sorry): Or…. Are you worried that some players are entering after a contest locks?

    Maybe if you state exactly how this is bad optics, that would help (i.e., exactly how this could negatively impact other contest entrants).

    I’ve tried to interpret the problem with three (3) different possible explanations:

    1. You play overlay, and you’re getting less as there a more entries than you expected.
    2. Yahoo is keeping the extra money above posted entry limits.
    3. Some contestants are entering after a contest locks, possibly gaining an unfair advantage by seeing how early games start out.

    Is the problem one of these three (3)?

    Please clarify?

  • fluffynuggets

    @gje627 said...

    Could you read the edit to my previous post?

    Are they exceeding posted contest limits? If so, do you know how the additional entry fees are distributed (again per edit above)?

    Edit read. And, no, they are not exceeding limits.

    Initial issue: Some, but not all, entrants not listed post-lock; and remain unlisted/unviewable until 10-30 minutes after lock. Can view majority of lineups, but 10-15% remain unviewable.

    New issue: More actual entries than listed. If contests list a certain number of entries (well after lock) but there are more than actually entered; that is beyond improper – don’t care if it’s 1 or 1000.

    And, thank you for your thoughts. You often have well-reasoned, intelligent posts; and I welcome any input you may have.

  • gje627

    Got it, thanks !!

    Once again, I edited my most recent reply/post (I have a problem where I type faster than I can think, UGGHH). Maybe if you contact Yahoo and include the “list of three (3)” concerns I include in my most recent post, (and subsequent edit), it will force them to give a more straightforward answer about how it impacts honest players like yourself.

  • fluffynuggets

    @gje627 said...

    EDIT AGAIN (sorry): Or…. Are you worried that some players are entering after a contest locks?

    Maybe if you state exactly how this is bad optics, that would help (i.e., exactly how this could negatively impact other contest entrants).

    I’ve tried to interpret the problem with three (3) different possible explanations:

    1. You play overlay, and you’re getting less as there a more entries than you expected.
    2. Yahoo is keeping the extra money above posted entry limits.
    3. Some contestants are entering after a contest locks, possibly gaining an unfair advantage by seeing how early games start out.

    Is the problem one of these three (3)?

    Please clarify?

    No need to apologize to me. Again, I welcome your thoughts, ideas and views.

    1. non-issue
    2. never considered, but don’t believe that is an issue
    3. With initial issue, this (or post-lock edits) is the concern. Though, honestly, I believe it to be a server caching issue from Yahoo, the new issue gives a little more concern.

    4. With new issue; if contest says (post-lock) that there are “x” number of entries – yet there are “y” – I see that as a very real problem.

    All is about the possibility of impropriety. It’s not like Yahoo is viewed as the paragon of security.

  • gje627

    @fluffynuggets said...

    It’s not like Yahoo is viewed as the paragon of security

    Couldn’t agree more….

    Well-said !!

  • yisman

    ownership percentages not displaying for all the contests except the main slate ones.

    examples:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy/contest/2384959/55375407

    https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy/contest/2384258/55375688

    https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy/contest/2384313/55377187

    https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy/contest/2385000/55377480

    currently 8:05 PM Pacific/11:05 PM Eastern

  • fluffynuggets

    @yisman said...

    ownership percentages not displaying for all the contests except the main slate ones.

    examples:

    https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy/contest/2384959/55375407

    https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy/contest/2384258/55375688

    https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy/contest/2384313/55377187

    https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy/contest/2385000/55377480

    currently 8:05 PM Pacific/11:05 PM Eastern

    Yep. But they’ll be there (most likely) 10-11 minutes after lock. Or maybe this is one of those times it takes 30minutes?!?

  • yisman

    @fluffynuggets said...

    Yep. But they’ll be there (most likely) 10-11 minutes after lock. Or maybe this is one of those times it takes 30minutes?!?

    if you check the links, some of the contests started over 3 hours ago.

    I’m used to fantasydraft and DK often taking time to display ownership but this is well after lock and well after all the games have begun

  • yisman

    now some of the players are displaying ownership finally but others are missing

    https://sports.yahoo.com/dailyfantasy/contest/2384959/55375407

    players from MIN/STL are blank

  • fluffynuggets

    @yisman said...

    if you check the links, some of the contests started over 3 hours ago.

    I’m used to fantasydraft and DK often taking time to display ownership but this is well after lock and well after all the games have begun

    Wow! Guess that needs to be added to the list. Game over, and still no ownership% – that is bad.

    As I said, am truly enjoying Yahoo – and hope these issues can be fixed – but it is unsettling.

    On Yahoo in large part due to Daniel Haight’s general awesomeness. Would like for him to publicly comment on these situations, though. Also interested to read customer support’s answers to my latest inquiry.

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    Appreciate all the concerns/questions here. I can assure you guys nothing nefarious is going on, though I understand the optics aren’t great. Totally agree with transparency, which is what’s driven most of our decision making (displaying management fees, first to label experienced players, etc.).

    No users are entering contests after contest lock. We have logs that show this, and we are routinely audited (as is going on right now) to ensure basic system functionality. There is a server caching issue that is causing the disconnect between the number of entries shown and the list of entrants. The team is actively working on a fix. It is just a display issue—but again I understand the severity of the optics here and the team is aware it’s a top priority to fix.

    Ownership percentages not showing for some players was a separate tech issue that is also being investigated and fixed in parallel. The issue had to do with when teams were in multiple slates, at times the later slates did not correctly show ownership percentages.

    Hope to have both of these fixes out soon.

  • fluffynuggets

    @DanielHaight said...

    Appreciate all the concerns/questions here. I can assure you guys nothing nefarious is going on, though I understand the optics aren’t great. Totally agree with transparency, which is what’s driven most of our decision making (displaying management fees, first to label experienced players, etc.).

    No users are entering contests after contest lock. We have logs that show this, and we are routinely audited (as is going on right now) to ensure basic system functionality. There is a server caching issue that is causing the disconnect between the number of entries shown and the list of entrants. The team is actively working on a fix. It is just a display issue—but again I understand the severity of the optics here and the team is aware it’s a top priority to fix.

    Ownership percentages not showing for some players was a separate tech issue that is also being investigated and fixed in parallel. The issue had to do with when teams were in multiple slates, at times the later slates did not correctly show ownership percentages.

    Hope to have both of these fixes out soon.

    Thank you for addressing this, publicly. Assurances are nice, but do little to allay concerns. Not having verifiable proof that contests are above board seriously limits comfort level entering paid contests. Is Yahoo considering adding downloadable CSV/xls functionality in the near future? That would make all concerns moot – unless, of course, there is impropriety.

  • Gfry3

    Dan, any update on why NBA contests haven’t paid out from last night?

  • JustDFSin

    130 n contests still haven’t been paid out

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    Still working with data provider on this one, we have yet to receive the final box scores. Been really frustrating. They say it should be resolved shortly.

  • vmoney

    • 2018 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    @DanielHaight said...

    Still working with data provider on this one, we have yet to receive the final box scores. Been really frustrating. They say it should be resolved shortly.

    Any closer to resolving it?

  • vmoney

    • 2018 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    Looks like they paid out just after i posted.

  • fluffynuggets

    Sweet baby Jesus!

    Every contest entered today on YDFS was immediately available with correct number of entrants, viewable l/u’s and ownership %. OH, how I hope this is the new normal.

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @fluffynuggets said...

    Sweet baby Jesus!

    Every contest entered today on YDFS was immediately available with correct number of entrants, viewable l/u’s and ownership %. OH, how I hope this is the new normal.

    Yes, both bugs squashed. We’ll continue to monitor to make sure it stays that way!

  • SkateFiend

    I’ve been having issues with the Yahoo DFS sites locking me out for a few hours. It would just freeze on me, and when I refresh or try to log back in, I see a “We’ll be right back, our engineers are fixing this problem” page.

    Also today my accounted mysteriously increased by 5 dollars, even after Yahoo properly adjusted the box score and sent the correct amount of prizes. Is stat correcting still going on?

  • DanielHaight

    • Yahoo Representative

    @SkateFiend said...

    I’ve been having issues with the Yahoo DFS sites locking me out for a few hours. It would just freeze on me, and when I refresh or try to log back in, I see a “We’ll be right back, our engineers are fixing this problem” page.

    Also today my accounted mysteriously increased by 5 dollars, even after Yahoo properly adjusted the box score and sent the correct amount of prizes. Is stat correcting still going on?

    Can you DM me your display name or email on your account? We’ve been having issues with the service we use to stop abuse (mainly that something is tripping it incorrectly), but it’s only impacting a handful of people.

    And all the corrections were done and adjustments made yesterday around 6pm PT.

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