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  • mallotc93

    Lads, I have the Chelsea keeper in a lot of good lineups of mine. His points along with Willian will hopefully make today a very, very profitable day. Benefited from going all in on da Irish man Mc Clean. Anyway reason I say all this is because Courtais is in goal for Chelsea. I totally missed the change when I saw the starting 11 but thank my lucky stars I just saw his name be mentioned by the commentators. I am looking forward to all those poor souls who play Begovic

  • pew_pew_pew

    • 393

      RG Overall Ranking

    It was apparent from the beginning of the changes but many people weren’t thinking ahead. Sure other issues are effecting DFS overall, but the problems the changes in scoring created are an issue and are leading to a decline in the numbers for soccer. Its not looking good for soccer right now, and sure opening up a UK market will help but the issues will still be the same, DK backed into a good thing with 8 player rosters, the new scoring has elements that are good but it needs to be tweaked. I’d put a lot of money that going back to 8 players and tweaking the scoring (mainly on corners) and adding dribbles would increase the player pool and gpp size (and overall enjoyment for all).

    Look the research is easier for most now, but the gulf between people who do minimal to no research and your average person who just reads player cards is big, and what ends up happening is a lot of money getting passed around and a small group getting completely scraped every week. That can’t last very long and that is why soccer is and will probably continue to decline.

  • RubeRx

    Hey guys, I agree with most of the points you all have made. I’ve also witnessed a steady decrease in overall players and prize pools. Not sure how it compares to past seasons as this is my first season playing DFS.

    I don’t think DK realizes how the simplicity of the previous scoring system (and the smaller 8-man rosters) is what made this game so attractive to the ‘casual’ fan. It was very simple to pick up for anyone that was semi interested in soccer.

    I believe the problem stems from a combination of limited resources for the new stats (as DK has yet to add tackles won, and interceptions to their player logs) and the change from 8 to 11 man rosters.

    How many average fans are willing to research individual players on whoscored or pay for access for OPTA stats via a third party? I’d imagine that most won’t go out their way to enter a $1 cash game. More than the stats though, I think the biggest impact has to be the roster changes, as creating a lineup now becomes a bit more time-consuming and more research is required.

    While most of us in these boards don’t mind adapting to the changes, its very tough for a person new to DFS to create a successful lineup. It may take a few months before a beginner will be able to place in a GPP. Thus, it’s very easy to get discouraged if you are not winning.

    I sincerely doubt that DK will go back to the old system. I just can’t see it happening. Hopefully when they start their compulsive marketing in the UK, we’ll see an increase in players.

    Anyways, I’ve noticed that one of the biggest positions that is impacted by the new system are the goalkeepers. Hear me out.

    Before with the 8 man rosters, selecting the correct GK was crucial to a successful lineup mainly because their ‘average ceiling’ of say 12-18 points ended up being MORE than most players who were not directly involved in any goals (defs and mids especially).

    With the new scoring system (crosses from set pieces, tackles won, interceptions etc), the field players have become more ‘valuable’ as certain fullbacks, set piece takers and even defensive mids have the capability of scoring 8-12 points without any goal involvement. That wasn’t possible before. There are also some instances when these players end up being less $ than the GK themselves. .

    In other words, I’m not nearly as concerned to pay up for a GK who has a good chance of getting a win and CS because I can pick a cheap GK (and hope for a few saves to hit value) and easily use the 600-1200 in savings to upgrade a defender or mid who has a much higher ceiling.

    Is this a fair assumption? Would love some input from some of the veterans on here.

    What do you guys think?

  • Americano7

    What’s wrong wiht dk soccer? I’ve won almost every weekend this year it’s not that hard.

  • Americano7

    The fact that other player such as dm’s and defenders are racking up 10+ points make’s the new scoring system seem fair to me. I win quite a bit and I hardly worry about who my goalie is. I normally stack a goalie with 3 defender’s from the same team and go for a shut out.

  • Jdizzy007

    • 548

      RG Overall Ranking

    Does DK not have a GPP for the 6:45am early slate this weekend or was it so small that it filled already? Smh. Time to start moving my bankroll to mondogoal if DK keeps this crap up

  • ibasso

    Naturally, every state that goes off-line with respect to DFS lessens the participant pool. Unless subscribers have outpaced those that have been shut out, its quite reasonable that the size of contests etc. are down primarily for that reason (as opposed to the reasons of picking 11 players or the new scoring system etc.).

    I like the 11-player set up and new scoring system. The only tweak I’d probably be in favor of is devaluing crosses a tad (.5 or .75). I find my research is primarily driven by evaluating who crosses the ball and, while semi-important in real soccer, its hardly the quintessential player action that separates good and not good players in real life (as it does in draftkings fantasy).

  • usna1993

    I would love it if FD picked up soccer – are there any plans for them to do so?

  • gcowboy5886

    @usna1993 said...

    I would love it if FD picked up soccer – are there any plans for them to do so?

    Believe their UK product will have it, nothing stateside.

  • pep4464

    @ibasso said...

    Naturally, every state that goes off-line with respect to DFS lessens the participant pool. Unless subscribers have outpaced those that have been shut out, its quite reasonable that the size of contests etc. are down primarily for that reason (as opposed to the reasons of picking 11 players or the new scoring system etc.).

    I like the 11-player set up and new scoring system. The only tweak I’d probably be in favor of is devaluing crosses a tad (.5 or .75). I find my research is primarily driven by evaluating who crosses the ball and, while semi-important in real soccer, its hardly the quintessential player action that separates good and not good players in real life (as it does in draftkings fantasy).

    No one has been shut out so this makes no sense….the prizes are down because of the rule changes plain and simple.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @RubeRx said...

    Hey guys, I agree with most of the points you all have made. I’ve also witnessed a steady decrease in overall players and prize pools. Not sure how it compares to past seasons as this is my first season playing DFS.

    I don’t think DK realizes how the simplicity of the previous scoring system (and the smaller 8-man rosters) is what made this game so attractive to the ‘casual’ fan. It was very simple to pick up for anyone that was semi interested in soccer.

    I believe the problem stems from a combination of limited resources for the new stats (as DK has yet to add tackles won, and interceptions to their player logs) and the change from 8 to 11 man rosters.

    How many average fans are willing to research individual players on whoscored or pay for access for OPTA stats via a third party? I’d imagine that most won’t go out their way to enter a $1 cash game. More than the stats though, I think the biggest impact has to be the roster changes, as creating a lineup now becomes a bit more time-consuming and more research is required.

    While most of us in these boards don’t mind adapting to the changes, its very tough for a person new to DFS to create a successful lineup. It may take a few months before a beginner will be able to place in a GPP. Thus, it’s very easy to get discouraged if you are not winning.

    I sincerely doubt that DK will go back to the old system. I just can’t see it happening. Hopefully when they start their compulsive marketing in the UK, we’ll see an increase in players.

    Anyways, I’ve noticed that one of the biggest positions that is impacted by the new system are the goalkeepers. Hear me out.

    Before with the 8 man rosters, selecting the correct GK was crucial to a successful lineup mainly because their ‘average ceiling’ of say 12-18 points ended up being MORE than most players who were not directly involved in any goals (defs and mids especially).

    With the new scoring system (crosses from set pieces, tackles won, interceptions etc), the field players have become more ‘valuable’ as certain fullbacks, set piece takers and even defensive mids have the capability of scoring 8-12 points without any goal involvement. That wasn’t possible before. There are also some instances when these players end up being less $ than the GK themselves. .

    In other words, I’m not nearly as concerned to pay up for a GK who has a good chance of getting a win and CS because I can pick a cheap GK (and hope for a few saves to hit value) and easily use the 600-1200 in savings to upgrade a defender or mid who has a much higher ceiling.

    Is this a fair assumption? Would love some input from some of the veterans on here.

    What do you guys think?

    I think this is a very good post and I agree. To me, the biggest issue was always the change from 8 to 11 players. I just did not agree with it and I still don’t. I didn’t love the scoring changes, but could live with them, although I’d like to see crosses decreased to 0.5.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @pew_pew_pew said...

    DK backed into a good thing with 8 player rosters, the new scoring has elements that are good but it needs to be tweaked. I’d put a lot of money that going back to 8 players and tweaking the scoring (mainly on corners) and adding dribbles would increase the player pool and gpp size (and overall enjoyment for all).

    Agree with this except for “adding dribbles.”

  • TacoCatOP

    I am from EU and play EU sites and fantasies. Having 11 man squad is completely standard here and can’t really imagine I’d have to pick 8 players.

    What I dont get is that you guys get points for crosses :D

    Here’s a pic of our scoring system that I think is balanced and fun https://gyazo.com/c08020a80cd8826b322864e769358538

  • RubeRx

    @ibasso said...

    Naturally, every state that goes off-line with respect to DFS lessens the participant pool. Unless subscribers have outpaced those that have been shut out, its quite reasonable that the size of contests etc. are down primarily for that reason (as opposed to the reasons of picking 11 players or the new scoring system etc.).

    I like the 11-player set up and new scoring system. The only tweak I’d probably be in favor of is devaluing crosses a tad (.5 or .75). I find my research is primarily driven by evaluating who crosses the ball and, while semi-important in real soccer, its hardly the quintessential player action that separates good and not good players in real life (as it does in draftkings fantasy).

    I guess I could look it up, but do you know how many states currently outlaw DFS?

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  • pew_pew_pew

    • 393

      RG Overall Ranking

    Having 8 players is different from lots of other fantasy soccer, but its also unique and separates it from the competition. I loved the 8 man rosters and it allowed way more tourney lineups to be made.

  • lk2000

    I think one solution could be to have the main slate contain all of the weekends games. Nearly everyone Saturday played at least 4/5 of Silva, Bony, Sterling, Cabaye and Bolasie in their attack.

  • Craptor

    at this point with 11 players i think id prefer an entire weekend for the main slate. this isn’t ideal but seems like the only way to fix ownership levels.

  • hambazaza

    RG Blog Program Manager, 2014 RG Party Beer Pong Champion

    • Blogger of the Month

    • Beer Pong Champion

    @Craptor said...

    at this point with 11 players i think id prefer an entire weekend for the main slate. this isn’t ideal but seems like the only way to fix ownership levels.

    with late swap, it’s really easy to do.

    skip the early saturday game, and have a slate that goes Sat-Sun-Mon with 9 games. that would make a much more enjoyable experience

  • pep4464

    I agree that the problem is 11 people from 4 or 5 games makes most of the good players highly owned but going the full weekend does not sound easy, it sounds even harder for the average fan. 8 man is the way to go this isn’t England where soccer is king. This is the USA and most people can’t even name 11 Epl players much less figure out who is playing Monday on Saturday. If that happens I would most definitely be out and I only joined dk for soccer and it is my favorite tantasy sport, just sad to see how dk has butchered it.

  • DB20

    I was just looking over contetests for this weekend and saw they got rid of 50/50 contests and replaced them with double ups. I was wandering what everyone else thought of this. I feel like it might drive some causal players away because it will lead to the good players controlling a higher percentage of winning places.

  • DB20

    I don’t think it’s fair to say DK soccer is doing poorly yet. Compared to this time last year after it launched it is grown significantly. I also remember a lot more players joining soccer contests after the NFL season ended. I would wait to pass judgement in the spring time.

  • MrFantasy

    @pew_pew_pew said...

    11 players makes it harder to make lineups, and lineups have more overlap as well with the new scoring. Also seems like there is much less players playing other then the same regs week in and week out. The changes as a whole have hurt the pool of players and ability to fill big contests, to what degree I’m not sure but its fairly apparent imo. People are just not willing to put in the effort.

    I’ve never been a regular DFS soccer player but when you look at other sports like PGA that have grown tremendously it’s because of the simplicity. GK DDD MMM FF Util Util is too many players for people learning soccer and learning DFS soccer to be comfortable with. More players also creates a bigger edge for better players so it’s possible new players are losing too quickly.

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