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  • tonytone1908

    Why do they disappear before the slate is even finished? I’ve seen it happen with other incentives material as well on many occasions. Many times I want to look back and see how the experts did with their choices, partly to see whose picks I should pay more attention to and what I missed. Same with the Grind down. Really hurts my ability to see where I went wrong and do some back research, again, to see what I missed.

  • tonytone1908

    Nevermind, i found the Grind down, just thought it would be accessible on the main page. Still would like to review the consensus rankings though.

  • G1212

    Just take a screenshot of it then

  • Ross

    They reset shortly after midnight when we switch salaries and projections to the current days games.

  • Mindofigor

    I agree I wish they had an archive page to see past rankings and articles

  • tonytone1908

    @RRT said...

    They reset shortly after midnight when we switch salaries and projections to the current days games.

    For what reason? The new edition is not even out for 12+ more hours. I really wish the starting lineups page and projections would stay as well but those disappear too. I mean, why even have the option up top to switch to tomorrow, which would show nothing, and the previous day which also shows nothing?

    I feel the rankings thing is because RG doesn’t want people to go back and see that the experts didn’t even use the guys they were recommending. I’m pretty sure a lot of us H2H these guys and it would make sense that they obviously wouldn’t basically give us their lineup ahead of time, but to me, by eliminating them so quickly, it seems like trying to hide something.

    Sure I could screenshot it but people pay a lot of money for this stuff. Don’t tell me you don’t have the server space for it. That stuff should be archived for the whole season. You go through all that effort to create the content and then eliminate it so quickly. Makes no sense to me.

  • Ross
    @tonytone1908 said...

    For what reason? The new edition is not even out for 12+ more hours. I really wish the starting lineups page and projections would stay as well but those disappear too. I mean, why even have the option up top to switch to tomorrow, which would show nothing, and the previous day which also shows nothing?

    I feel the rankings thing is because RG doesn’t want people to go back and see that the experts didn’t even use the guys they were recommending. I’m pretty sure a lot of us H2H these guys and it would make sense that they obviously wouldn’t basically give us their lineup ahead of time, but to me, by eliminating them so quickly, it seems like trying to hide something.

    Sure I could screenshot it but people pay a lot of money for this stuff. Don’t tell me you don’t have the server space for it. That stuff should be archived for the whole season. You go through all that effort to create the content and then eliminate it so quickly. Makes no sense to me.

    The ECR page requires a salary for each player (since its based on expected points per dollar) which are reset after midnight for the following day. Without salaries projections can not be created and uploaded to the site for use in the lineup builder and other pages. We have a team of people working throughout the night to create projections and update the tools with current data. Its not a quick flip to get set up for the following day.
    Server space may not be an issue (I have no clue), but I would imagine 200-300 player projections, salaries, and individual stats each day do take up a good chunk of space.

    We do track ECR accuracy here or as mentioned you can screenshot / keep the data in an excel sheet to track. And again, this information is available until at least midnight, normally a bit later.

    Also, the projections page now has a csv download button.

  • tonytone1908

    @RRT said...

    The ECR page requires a salary for each player (since its based on expected points per dollar) which are reset after midnight for the following day. Without salaries projections can not be created and uploaded to the site for use in the lineup builder and other pages. We have a team of people working throughout the night to create projections and update the tools with current data. Its not a quick flip to get set up for the following day.
    Server space may not be an issue (I have no clue), but I would imagine 200-300 player projections, salaries, and individual stats each day do take up a good chunk of space.

    We do track ECR accuracy here or as mentioned you can screenshot / keep the data in an excel sheet to track. And again, this information is available until at least midnight, normally a bit later.

    All that that tracking thing does is tell you, aggregate, how good one guy or another has done. I’ve never even seen that article anywhere in my life so I don’t know how good it is hidden or advertised. It also doesn’t do much good for looking back at the current slate. I can’t imagine it would be that hard to archive 1 day at least. Same for the starting lineups/projection page. Considering a full day’s slate doesn’t end until after midnight usually, it’s not much help.

    But are you telling me that the ECR page is not an actual ranking by these guys? It sounds like to me like you’re just using their point projections for each player and THEN factoring in salary. Makes it sound even more like these aren’t their true rankings, just how they fall depending on salary?

    I’m only asking this because it’s constantly preached about studying your failed lineups to see where you went wrong but if the information you used to get to these conclusions is no longer there, it’s kind of hard to do. I don’t play the volume or have the success of many to use excel, let alone the knowledge of excel, to do such a thing. I’m not trying to keep that multitude of information as honestly with all the variance I find most of it useless or excessive.

    I’m not trying to archive a season of two of data. I’d just like to be able to go back at the end of the night and see where I went wrong but as I said, by the time the slate is over, most of it is already gone. I’m not trying to bitch here, just trying to improve. thanks for any input though RRT.

  • paulmsr

    @tonytone1908 said...

    I’ve never even seen that article anywhere in my life

    they just started it early last week

  • emac

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    @tonytone1908 said...

    But are you telling me that the ECR page is not an actual ranking by these guys? It sounds like to me like you’re just using their point projections for each player and THEN factoring in salary. Makes it sound even more like these aren’t their true rankings, just how they fall depending on salary?

    The ECR page is the actual ranking from each contributor one through five at each position and one through eight for OF. It is then consolidated for a “consensus” ranking as the default display, but each contributor can be sorted for each position by clicking on their name. To reset the page, click on the “average” header.

    Behind the scenes, the ECR input page pulls from the current day’s games (salary, position, available players, etc), when this is “refreshed” each night with the new data feeds for schedules, pricing, positions, projections it resets. That is why the rankings “disappear” until the first contributor inputs their rankings for that day.

    The best bet would be to do a screenshot or copy/paste it into Excel/Word if for later review.

    As for the article (it was the first ever edition and will be updated every couple weeks), it was on the front page feature carousel for a 2-3 days around Memorial Day and some of the hosts also mentioned it during GrindersLive shows.

    EMac

  • Ross
    @tonytone1908 said...

    But are you telling me that the ECR page is not an actual ranking by these guys? It sounds like to me like you’re just using their point projections for each player and THEN factoring in salary. Makes it sound even more like these aren’t their true rankings, just how they fall depending on salary?

    They are actual rankings.
    Here is the guideline they follow: Picks are based on the idea of perceived value, or expected points per dollar.
    The lists are then sorted and averaged to provide a consensus (average) ranking.

    Using the best points per dollar method highlights the salary differences between sites, and provides a good mix of salary ranges. I can have JM stop in here and explain better. Also, I will check on an archive of some type, but I dont know if that’s possible. One other quick way to look at individual days would be to open the ECR in a new window, and just leave it open, the page will not auto refresh.

    Also, a cool feature that was added to ECR this morning – We now support split slates for rankings, so if you click the slates filter, you can view rankings for individual slates or all slates combined.

  • tonytone1908

    @RRT said...

    They are actual rankings.
    Here is the guideline they follow: Picks are based on the idea of perceived value, or expected points per dollar.
    The lists are then sorted and averaged to provide a consensus (average) ranking.

    Using the best points per dollar method highlights the salary differences between sites, and provides a good mix of salary ranges. I can have JM stop in here and explain better. Also, I will check on an archive of some type, but I dont know if that’s possible. One other quick way to look at individual days would be to open the ECR in a new window, and just leave it open, the page will not auto refresh.

    Also, a cool feature that was added to ECR this morning – We now support split slates for rankings, so if you click the slates filter, you can view rankings for individual slates or all slates combined.

    I see what you’re saying. The ECR page is set with the salaries included and they obviously could change the next day but is there no way to just freeze the salaries for that particular day on the ECR page? Or again, simply archive the previous, technically current, day’s ECR? I understand the way you’re saying the page is generated, it seems like a simplicity issue so someone doesn’t have to go through and manually enter the salaries for those in the rankings.

    It seems like something simple enough to do to archive for 1 day, even at least until the current day’s rankings come out and I’m sure I’m not the only one who is interested in this.

    The leaving the tab or window option I could do but there are many times where I accidentally close tabs I would have liked to keep open. Such as when I use FC so I can see the amount of lineups I had each player in. I close them all the time. I mean, all the stuff on this site that IS archived it would seem to me pretty easy to do.

  • tonytone1908

    I see that you can scroll back through the previous days starting LU’s now, which I don’t believe was possible before along with the Grind Down being accessible still through the “preview” button. Thanks for this. Great work.

  • Ross
    @tonytone1908 said...

    I see that you can scroll back through the previous days starting LU’s now, which I don’t believe was possible before along with the Grind Down being accessible still through the “preview” button. Thanks for this. Great work.

    Yes, you can scroll back and view past lineups, fantasy points scored by site, and the Grind Down game previews for most days.
    It’s a pretty neat feature that was added at the during the NBA season, and rolled over to MLB.

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