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  • bkamann

    As we all know, we are a few games into Russell Westbrook week. Without Durant, Westbrook’s production went through the roof last year when he was on a tear scoring 60-70 points every single night. So of course, Durant went down last week and everyone hopped aboard the Russell Westbrook train. I decided to fade him in all 3 slates and I will probably continue to fade him until Durant comes back. Here is why:

    First off, his price is reaching astronomical levels. I play most of my volume on FantasyDraft, where they have some pretty flexible lineups (they have 3 G spots and 3 C/F spots and 2 UTIL) so even with his high price tag, I could fit some other high priced guys. You can sometimes get 3-4 elite level guys on one team on a full slate that offers value at other positions on that site.

    Secondly, and most importantly, EVERYONE has him. Now this isn’t a huge problem if he is going to drop 75 points like he did last night :(, but when he has a mediocre game, like when he scored 48 FP against Boston, it works out. Using FantasyDraft’s pricing for example, I faded Westbrook last night when he was priced at $22,500 ($100,000 salary cap) and used Brandon Knight against the Lakers ($12,900) for a savings of $10,400. $10,400 in savings allowed me to roster Brandon Knight and Jae Crowder. Even if Westbrook goes off in a few games, the majority of the time those 2 combined are going to outscore him.

    Until his price comes down to reasonable levels, I do not really see a point in rostering him, unless there is a slate that is just brutal for cheaper guards. Thoughts?

  • einars

    love your avatar.

  • jfand30

    I’ll take the 27 points 7 boards and 8 assists with upside for way more almost every time.

  • Mod518

    If Knight doesnt go off last night though then all the RWB likely cash. I was in two smaller contest (dk 227 single entry double ups) and RWB was only 15%. I went with Knight last night cause I just wasnt comfortable with the value plays. On a bigger slate with more value plays I would defintely play RWB.

  • cccalloway

    That Boston game is his floor. If you want to fade that, go ahead but Knight was an outlier last night. Russ was just Russ.

  • MrFantasy

    I was all over Westbrook last night because I knew his ownership level would be very low. Harden was like 50% in every GPP I played where Westbrook was closer to 30%. It depends on the site as well, on some sites it didn’t make sense to pay up for him and others it did.

  • bkamann

    Obviously, Knight isnt going to do that every night. Just using that as an example. Although I did expect a good game. After all, it is a PG vs. the Lakers

  • bkamann

    @einars said...

    love your avatar.

    Thanks man, love when they pull out those orange and blue throwbacks

  • bkamann

    @Mod518 said...

    If Knight doesnt go off last night though then all the RWB likely cash. I was in two smaller contest (dk 227 single entry double ups) and RWB was only 15%. I went with Knight last night cause I just wasnt comfortable with the value plays. On a bigger slate with more value plays I would defintely play RWB.

    That is my point, EVERYONE is going to play him on larger slates. Yeah he may go off, but on those larger slates, you can almost always get someone that is going to be near him in scoring for considerably less money.

  • lgp

    I mean if you take RWB’s “crappy” game vs PHI where he scored like 45 FD pts and combined Crowder/Knight’s previous game he would have doubled their total points. He would have been the better play yesterday too if Knight didn’t have a career game.

  • cccalloway

    @bkamann said...

    That is my point, EVERYONE is going to play him on larger slates. Yeah he may go off, but on those larger slates, you can almost always get someone that is going to be near him in scoring for considerably less money.

    So why not pair Russ’s 70pts with the lower options 60pts and figure the rest out from there!

  • cccalloway

    @cccalloway said...

    So why not pair Russ’s 70pts with the lower options 60pts and figure the rest out from there!

    Just don’t get hte logic of fading a ceiling that high unless he is well over 50% in GPP.

  • tmarohl

    I played Westbrook and Knight on Fanduel and did pretty well last night. Scored 321.9. The only guys in my lineup that returned 5 x value or more were Westbrook, Knight, Ellis, Green, and CJ Miles. If Powell, Sullinger, Bledsoe and Gasol would have come close to value it would have been a monster night.

  • bkamann

    @cccalloway said...

    Just don’t get hte logic of fading a ceiling that high unless he is well over 50% in GPP.

    65% owned on FantasyDraft when he played the Sixers 5 days ago. Last night only 33%, which is a harder fade.

  • bkamann

    @tmarohl said...

    I played Westbrook and Knight on Fanduel and did pretty well last night.

    I would hope so, you could have played Birdman and Lamar Odom and cashed

  • tvsfrink

    RWB?

    I remember the days when initials actually stood for words and names, not part of words or names…

    Then again, I’m old. I remember when people typed “you” and “you’re” instead of “u” and “ur.”

    INB4 u mad bro.

  • laser1000000

    Westbrook is never so highly owned that it’s worth fading him in GPP in my opinion. He’s rarely more than 30% owned. I would rather be with the 30% who are getting a headstart on the rest of the field on most nights, than with the 70% who get the headstart occasionally.

  • sprom

    • 2012 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    I think there may be merit to fading him in certain slates. Last night was a great chance to get him when others were fading against Memphis. Also, there was a ton of value. He was only 18% GPP DK last night…

  • JaNelson38

    Ive faded him in a couple of my latest cash games. Its simply too hard to fit him in a lineup and have good complimentary pieces around him.

    Its just hard to justify having Russell on a team where you NEED to get 50-60 points every night from him to make his salary worthwhile, and as well hope the bottom-barrel guys produce.

    On short-slate nights like a Thursday where there’s only 3 or 4 games, he’s a must play. When you’re at 6+ games on a slate and have a multitude of options, he’s a fade for me unless I feel 100% certain about the low-cost guys Im putting around him.

  • footballfplyer55567

    Depends on the night. Fading Westbrook last night could have worked out very well, as long as you had Brandon Knight.

  • tonytone1908

    People don’t seem to understand, the more he’s going to be owned the more he needs to go off to pay off. The other night, lots of crazy things happened and not only did you need him but all the other cheap guys that went off as well. It just so happened all the cheap guys did go off.

    But people want to claim his 60 point “floor” when he hadn’t even gotten a 60 pt ceiling yet. Granted he looked great last night but until then he looked terrible. He has not been the same player as last year til this point and even now I will need to see him keep it up.

  • ssmfour

    My problem with rostering RWB on any given night is what the value plays look like. I’m usually confident in his ability to get 60-70 points, but that isn’t actually that helpful if it forces me to roster someone who has a small chance of hitting/exceeding value. Russ is a great play in the sense that he’s a “sure thing” to get you x amount of points, but I’d bet most nights if you looked at the optimal lineup he wouldn’t be in it

  • srk8987

    Managing Editor

    Y’all crazy. Westbrook is a beast.

  • tyrant1014

    I had the extra 100 to fit in knight… Went rose instead. Would’ve gotten a 358 and won. But I digress, I agree with everyone else. The big thing with westbrook is the value plays. But the thing is, if there is good value. You don’t necessarily need him to have a big game.

    I look at it from the overall lineup perspective, I don’t look at what I need individual guys to produce. I look at what I need my lineup to produce.

    Hence even if Westbrook has a “bad” game and only 4x his value, then if the rest of your team can 6x value (certainly possible with the right value plays) then you have a shot.

  • deebarizo

    @tonytone1908 said...

    not only did you need him

    You didn’t need him. There were better values at PG.

    I played $515 in GPPs on FanDuel and turned a profit of $736.73. I had Westbrook in zero lineups.

  • tyrant1014

    Remember when steven adams was a thing?

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