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  • Kpwgamecock

    Have been out of town for a week so maybe this has already been covered but I noticed that FanDuel has an ad at the top of their homepage saying that they will be adding golf this spring. Really happy to hear this as I was worried with the merger it may would go away.

    Props FanDuel

  • mccoolio

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Is it possible to ruin something before it even exists?

    #FDbeingFD

    I definitely don’t understand this route. If they’re merging, why break a formula that is proven to work?

  • WidumBoise

    Any chance DK stays as a seperate entity after the merger?

    If not, RIP DK as FD will absorb.

  • DoubleTime

    • 2016 King of Summer: August

    I am happy they are trying something different. I can still play all the normal DFS golf I want on DK / FantasyDraft / Aces. Tho for people who have maxed out their volume in golf and were looking to get even more in on FanDuel, I can see why a new format is annoying. It is just that DFS can get monotonous at times, and it really is about entertainment for me. I enjoy trying new sports, and gimmicky contests like the lowballs and random DK PGA chat league contests, so I’m looking forward to having a different game to play. That said, who knows how well it will actually work, and hopefully the normal format stays in place if there is a merger.

  • fsunole64

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    After looking at the format some of my thoughts:

    its going to lead to a stars and scrubs approach is my guess since the scrubs are playing 2 rounds only and it doesn’t matter if they make the cut.

    It will be optimal to have all the best players in the 2nd grouping that plays the weekend which is going to lead to huge ownership on the best players I don’t know if balanced lineups will make much sense.

    As far as the merger it’s pretty obvious they will merge and keep operating 2 sites just like when poker stars bought full tilt they kept operating both sites they didn’t shut down full tilt. The whole reason to merge is each state is going to charge a fee instead of having fanduel pay 500k to Florida and draftkings also now they just pay once but will have two sites still. Also they can combine all lawyer fees in half also. They are not going to reduce the site fees they can generate in half once they merge by making it just one site that would not be very smart.

  • steelcitydozer

    I’m sure this method fits all
    pros algorithms. Since they pay all the bills for fd and dk by max entering every contest in every sport they again cater to them

  • SelfCharmer

    @steelcitydozer said...

    I’m sure this method fits sah.suds. and all other pros algorithms. Since they pay all the bills for fd and dk by max entering every contest in every sport they again cater to them

    How would this suit algorithms more than manual LUs?

  • querb

    @fsunole64 said...

    After looking at the format some of my thoughts:

    its going to lead to a stars and scrubs approach is my guess since the scrubs are playing 2 rounds only and it doesn’t matter if they make the cut.

    It will be optimal to have all the best players in the 2nd grouping that plays the weekend which is going to lead to huge ownership on the best players I don’t know if balanced lineups will make much sense.

    As far as the merger it’s pretty obvious they will merge and keep operating 2 sites just like when poker stars bought full tilt they kept operating both sites they didn’t shut down full tilt. The whole reason to merge is each state is going to charge a fee instead of having fanduel pay 500k to Florida and draftkings also now they just pay once but will have two sites still. Also they can combine all lawyer fees in half also. They are not going to reduce the site fees they can generate in half once they merge by making it just one site that would not be very smart.

    keeping the overhead of operating two separate sites makes zero sense

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    @WidumBoise said...

    Any chance DK stays as a seperate entity after the merger?

    If not, RIP DK as FD will absorb.

    Doubt it seems to me that FD’s new format is going to be the future of fantasy golf which stinks.

  • steelcitydozer

    @SelfCharmer said...

    How would this suit algorithms more than manual LUs?

    No clue was hoping someone smart or tech savvy could enlighten me.
    Just at a loss for words how this could even work, or like someone said b4 ruined before it begins

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @mccoolio said...

    I definitely don’t understand this route. If they’re merging, why break a formula that is proven to work?

    It’s all due to legality. FanDuel has never believed that DFS Golf in its current format is legal.

  • depalma13

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    It’s all due to legality. FanDuel has never believed that DFS Golf in its current format is legal.

    Well this doesn’t make it legal either.

    It is no different than picking a football lineup from one game and than picking another lineup for the second half of that game. It’s still just one game.

  • dude_abides7

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    It’s all due to legality. FanDuel has never believed that DFS Golf in its current format is legal.

    And knowing this, they launch the product anyway?

    Not being a smartass, I am really trying to understand the rationale here.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @dude_abides7 said...

    And knowing this, they launch the product anyway?

    Not being a smartass, I am really trying to understand the rationale here.

    I think their argument is that since you are picking a lineup for the first 2 rounds and then another lineup for the 3rd and 4th rounds, they are more clearly making them two separate events (especially with a cut) even if it is within the same golf tournament. Again, this is just my opinion of what they are trying to do. I am not saying I believe this automatically would make it legal in most people’s eyes under the UIGEA. To me, the legality of daily fantasy golf (and nascar) has always been VERY shaky. Does not mean I will not play them as they are only potentially illegal should they face some sort of challenge.

  • dude_abides7

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    I think their argument is that since you are picking a lineup for the first 2 rounds and then another lineup for the 3rd and 4th rounds, they are more clearly making them two separate events (especially with a cut) even if it is within the same golf tournament. Again, this is just my opinion of what they are trying to do. I am not saying I believe this automatically would make it legal in most people’s eyes under the UIGEA. To me, the legality of daily fantasy golf (and nascar) has always been VERY shaky. Does not mean I will not play them as they are only potentially illegal should they face some sort of challenge.

    This still doesn’t make any sense. The UIGEA agreement was based on multiple, non-related contests. For example, 4 teams or more playing in different contests at different venues. Breaking up a singular event 2X does nothing to straighten the pencil in as far as the legal end goes.

    The only way PGA is legal for DFS (if we are using the UIGEA agreement as the guide) is if a player pool consists of golfers playing in multiple events. For example, some weeks the pro tour consists of multiple events. Clearly the A-level guys are playing in the main event with the better purse, but those pros that don’t qualify or are working things out with their game may opt for the ‘other’ option on the card. In theory, DFS sites could create a global pro contest that takes all of these into account.

    Yes, the above would suck to play, but it would be legal.

  • depalma13

    @dude_abides7 said...

    This still doesn’t make any sense. The UIGEA agreement was based on multiple, non-related contests. For example, 4 teams or more playing in different contests at different venues. Breaking up a singular event 2X does nothing to straighten the pencil in as far as the legal end goes.

    The only way PGA is legal for DFS (if we are using the UIGEA agreement as the guide) is if a player pool consists of golfers playing in multiple events. For example, some weeks the pro tour consists of multiple events. Clearly the A-level guys are playing in the main event with the better purse, but those pros that don’t qualify or are working things out with their game may opt for the ‘other’ option on the card. In theory, DFS sites could create a global pro contest that takes all of these into account.

    Yes, the above would suck to play, but it would be legal.

    I said years ago, just combine the men’s and women’s tour each week, even if you only have to pick one female golfer, it would make it completely legit.

    Just as NASCAR could have you pick a driver form the Xfinity or Truck Series.

  • fsunole64

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    @querb said...

    keeping the overhead of operating two separate sites makes zero sense

    Losing half of your rake makes even less sense. People are not just going to double what they enter every day if there was just one site. High volume players which drive a lot of the revenue are not just going to combine all there action on to 1 site that would not make sense. Not hard to operate 2 sites they will be able to reduce work force.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @dude_abides7 said...

    This still doesn’t make any sense. The UIGEA agreement was based on multiple, non-related contests. For example, 4 teams or more playing in different contests at different venues. Breaking up a singular event 2X does nothing to straighten the pencil in as far as the legal end goes.

    I believe the UIGEA just says “multiple real-world events.” It does not say anything about non-related. You could argue that was the intention, but it does not say that. DraftKings has always said they believe a 72 hole golf tournament is actually 4 individual events in one. I am not sure that would hold up in court, but that is their argument.

    A setup where you are picking separate lineups for the 1st/2nd rounds versus 3rd/4th rounds is just expanding on that and more clearly trying to show a 2nd real-world event. This would be even more true if the scoring is based on bonuses explicit to the 1st/2nd round scoring and then 3rd/4th round scoring. Again, it’s still shaky. I am just giving my opinion of what I think their goal is with this proposed format.

  • dude_abides7

    I meant non-continuous as it relates to the same, physical event. But yes, you are correct…

    What you state is only a 2nd Real World event if there were winners in the real world event that were not part of the other real world event.

  • XrayPunk

    @dude_abides7 said...

    Is it possible to ruin something before it even exists?

    Challenge accepted!

    -Sincerely FanDuel

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