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  • deactivated84892

    Woke up to this unfortunate gem: http://www.legalsportsreport.com/9130/fanduel-draftkings-reach-ny-settlement

    Thoughts with you guys in New York.

    Statement from FanDuel

    FanDuel made the following statement via a company spokesperson:
    “We are announcing that as of today, FanDuel will cease offering paid contests in the state of New York per the terms of a settlement reached with the Attorney General on certain aspects of the ongoing litigation.

    New York is a critical state for FanDuel. FanDuel is headquartered in Manhattan, where we employ more than 170 young smart, passionate fans who are committed to innovating and providing the best fantasy experience possible. We are proud to be one of New York’s largest startup companies, and while it is disheartening for us to restrict access to paid contests in our home state, we believe this is in the best interest of our company, the fantasy industry and our players while we continue to pursue legal clarity in New York.”

    Statement from DraftKings:

    DraftKings Statement Regarding The Settlement with The New York Attorney General

    “Effective today, as part of a settlement reached with the Attorney General’s office, DraftKings will stop offering paid daily fantasy sports contests in New York State.

    We are an industry leader in technology, innovation and consumer protections, and we are grateful to the hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers who have enjoyed playing fantasy sports on DraftKings for the last 4 years. We will continue to work with state lawmakers to enact fantasy sports legislation so that New Yorkers can play the fantasy games they love.”

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  • FrancisBooth

    I hope everyone arguing in this thread has written letters/emails/called/met with politicians like my girlfriend and I did. Arguing with each other does absolutely nothing to benefit our community. Just saying.

  • Galante118

    • Blogger of the Month

    Emails, phone calls, and tweets here. As I plan my trip to Mohegan sun for opening day haha

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    Don’t mean to be contrarian, but can the smaller sites really afford proper Internal Controls? Can they have separate player and operational accounts? Can they afford 3rd party Audits? As much as I’d like to say stick up for the little sites, it could pose problems for the players cause they couldnt afford proper regulation. And DFS, unlike a corner grocery store, needs a high level of Internal Controls regardless of size.

  • draftngo

    You have no idea what I know about the industry. Why is it a dumb opinion that I would rather it was outlawed than only playable on DK and FD? DK and FD didn’t write the bill, but they sure supported it, when they knew what would happen after it was passed. Why would all these small operations breakaway if the FSTA was acting in their best interest?

    It isn’t just my statement saying they are creating a monopoly. It is everywhere. You make it sound like I am the first one to mention it. I agree with you that politicians are a problem. They are absolutely clueless when it comes to fantasy sports and games of skill. They are all about the angry casinos thinking I would gamble there if I didn’t have DFS. The Indian casinos will become a major hurdle in the near future as well, since for some reason they feel entitled to every gaming dollar in the country

    Besides this entire industry is a train wreck. Websites like Boom Fantasy saying guessing the coin toss is a game of skill. Another in FanDaction offering lines of credit to college students to gamble on DFS with the promise it will raise their credit. FantasyUp and FantasyHub running off with player funds. DK and FD destroying what a true game of skill is for greed, while making stupid statements like poker isn’t a game of skill.

    Maybe we need to tear it down and start over because every degenerate gambler under the sun is exploiting the UIGEA to set up a new form of Fantasy Sports. Eventually the government will step in they always do. I want DFS to survive but I feel the road is getting very rocky, and a now fractured FSTA will not help.

  • draftngo

    Fantasy Aces is that corner grocery store, and they have already stated they can’t afford this current legislation. What have they done to earn the reputation of the other small market disasters? There are plenty of small operators that don’t have a Plappert running the show.

  • Galante118

    • Blogger of the Month

    @draftngo said...

    You have no idea what I know about the industry. Why is it a dumb opinion that I would rather it was outlawed than only playable on DK and FD? DK and FD didn’t write the bill, but they sure supported it, when they knew what would happen after it was passed. Why would all these small operations breakaway if the FSTA was acting in their best interest?

    It isn’t just my statement saying they are creating a monopoly. It is everywhere. You make it sound like I am the first one to mention it. I agree with you that politicians are a problem. They are absolutely clueless when it comes to fantasy sports and games of skill. They are all about the angry casinos thinking I would gamble there if I didn’t have DFS. The Indian casinos will become a major hurdle in the near future as well, since for some reason they feel entitled to every gaming dollar in the country

    Besides this entire industry is a train wreck. Websites like Boom Fantasy saying guessing the coin toss is a game of skill. Another in FanDaction offering lines of credit to college students to gamble on DFS with the promise it will raise their credit. FantasyUp and FantasyHub running off with player funds. DK and FD destroying what a true game of skill is for greed, while making stupid statements like poker isn’t a game of skill.

    Maybe we need to tear it down and start over because every degenerate gambler under the sun is exploiting the UIGEA to set up a new form of Fantasy Sports. Eventually the government will step in they always do. I want DFS to survive but I feel the road is getting very rocky, and a now fractured FSTA will not help.

    I have no idea about boom fantasy or those other small sites, if that’s what small sites are doing, maybe some should die off. You do realize dk paid the players who got screwed over by small sites right? I know you’re making things up. Dk and fd never said “poker isn’t a game of skill” , they didn’t destroy what a true game of skill was lol. And I sincerely doubt the smaller sites claimed betting on a coin toss was a game of skill, or other small sites were offering lines of credit strictly to college kids and telling them it would raise their credit scores lol not to mention you randomly hate dk and fd so much that you rather dfs be illegal then people be allowed to play there…seems reasonable.

  • Galante118

    • Blogger of the Month

    @draftngo said...

    You have no idea what I know about the industry. Why is it a dumb opinion that I would rather it was outlawed than only playable on DK and FD? DK and FD didn’t write the bill, but they sure supported it, when they knew what would happen after it was passed. Why would all these small operations breakaway if the FSTA was acting in their best interest?

    It isn’t just my statement saying they are creating a monopoly. It is everywhere. You make it sound like I am the first one to mention it. I agree with you that politicians are a problem. They are absolutely clueless when it comes to fantasy sports and games of skill. They are all about the angry casinos thinking I would gamble there if I didn’t have DFS. The Indian casinos will become a major hurdle in the near future as well, since for some reason they feel entitled to every gaming dollar in the country

    Besides this entire industry is a train wreck. Websites like Boom Fantasy saying guessing the coin toss is a game of skill. Another in FanDaction offering lines of credit to college students to gamble on DFS with the promise it will raise their credit. FantasyUp and FantasyHub running off with player funds. DK and FD destroying what a true game of skill is for greed, while making stupid statements like poker isn’t a game of skill.

    Maybe we need to tear it down and start over because every degenerate gambler under the sun is exploiting the UIGEA to set up a new form of Fantasy Sports. Eventually the government will step in they always do. I want DFS to survive but I feel the road is getting very rocky, and a now fractured FSTA will not help.

    NOW I KNOW WHY YOU HATE EVERY SINGLE SITE!!!!

    You claimed to invent dfs!!! Omg too amazing. If it’s true, you’re a disgrutled and poor business man, if not, then you’re just a psycho. Either way, stop with the nonsense posts in here. New Yorkers are looking for viable options.

  • draftngo

    http://dailyfantasynews.com/fanduel-cfo-talks-company-history-uigea-and-poker-in-expansive-interview
    https://www.boomfantasy.com/live-lobby
    http://www.fandaction.com/fantasy-site/credit

    There you go all my lies laid out before you. Sorry the NBA gives points for who wins the jump ball not coin toss. Yet still pretty skillful. I know I am a liar and an idiot. Keep telling me how right you are.

  • Galante118

    • Blogger of the Month

    A) they didn’t explicitly say it wasn’t a game of skill, they said there is more of an element of chance in poker then in dfs. Obviously posturing, but still never said it’s not a game of skill

    B)I see nothing of a coin toss, so your problem is a jump ball?

    C)honestly that’s fascinating, and wrong.

    These are the small sites you’re trying to save? These sites are irrelevant. I’ve never even heard of them until you pointed them out as I’m sure as mostly everyone else has not. The smaller sites that should be saved are aces, draftday, etc etc…not the shady ones. Players need to use discretion when picking a site, and this is why we need legislation.

    The entire point of this was you saying you’d rather see fd and dk outlawed then only play there, but everything you’ve brought up, shows why the smaller sites should be avoided….

  • draftngo

    I was the first to launch DFS. Sorry

    Go ahead and bash me! You have no idea what happened to me or my business. I did everything I said, if you can prove I am lying go ahead. There will be plenty of posters calling me a disgruntled loser and maybe I am, but you might think differently about me if you actually took the time to research and listen. I will be honest, the DFS industry chewed me up and spit me out, and there would be plenty of reason for me to hate it. I want to save DFS not destroy it. Kudos to Yahoo for steering the ship in a positive direction!

  • myb821

    @draftngo said...

    I was the first to launch DFS. Sorry

    I am honestly curious about this statement. Would you like to back that claim up?

  • Galante118

    • Blogger of the Month

    @draftngo said...

    I was the first to launch DFS. Sorry

    Go ahead and bash me! You have no idea what happened to me or my business. I did everything I said, if you can prove I am lying go ahead. There will be plenty of posters calling me a disgruntled loser and maybe I am, but you might think differently about me if you actually took the time to research and listen. I will be honest, the DFS industry chewed me up and spit me out, and there would be plenty of reason for me to hate it. I want to save DFS not destroy it. Kudos to Yahoo for steering the ship in a positive direction!

    I really wasn’t trying to bash you and call you a loser, but the hatred and blatant bias is there. It’s obviously clouding your judgment on fd and dk. Some of your points are accurate, some not so much. Yes, this bill might create a monopoly and that isn’t a good thing. But legal dfs is, and the only way to get that is through greedy politicians. It might not be perfect, but it’s what we have to work with.

  • draftngo

    Will you actually take the time to research what I am saying or is this a setup for another beating? I launched three separate DFS websites one pre-UIGEA that really was the beginning of DFS. One had the first live draft lobby, the second had the first DFS tournament, and the third offered a cash game with a shot at $1 million daily. Can I email you some info?

  • myb821

    @draftngo said...

    Will you actually take the time to research what I am saying or is this a setup for another beating? I launched three separate DFS websites one pre-UIGEA that really was the beginning of DFS. One had the first live draft lobby, the second had the first DFS tournament, and the third offered a cash game with a shot at $1 million daily. Can I email you some info?

    sure ill pm me you my email address.

  • draftngo

    Ok, I should clarify what I think of DK and FD. I think they bought an industry which is fine this is America, and were very successful jump starting the industry. Let’s be honest a billion dollars will help any business be successful. Then they started to implement things that were not good for the game or the future of it. Scripting is horrible for the industry because it creates a void in skill. The pros use scripting correct with careful and precise decision making which I find very skillful. But then there is gambler guy who just goes on and blindly plugs in 200 entries without a clue of what he has done. This industry is getting sued in every direction from insider trading to shady promotional practices.

    I play on DK daily for quarters sometimes a dollar. That is how beat up the industry left me. I am not a very good player, but enjoy DK very much. I just want them to change some things and work for the better of the whole industry not just themselves.

  • hammersticks84

    @draftngo said...

    Ok, I should clarify what I think of DK and FD. I think they bought an industry which is fine this is America, and were very successful jump starting the industry. Let’s be honest a billion dollars will help any business be successful. Then they started to implement things that were not good for the game or the future of it. Scripting is horrible for the industry because it creates a void in skill. The pros use scripting correct with careful and precise decision making which I find very skillful. But then there is gambler guy who just goes on and blindly plugs in 200 entries without a clue of what he has done. This industry is getting sued in every direction from insider trading to shady promotional practices.

    I play on DK daily for quarters sometimes a dollar. That is how beat up the industry left me. I am not a very good player, but enjoy DK very much. I just want them to change some things and work for the better of the whole industry not just themselves.

    I happen to agree with a lot of what you said. I love(d) playing and it was a part of my every day routine but can no longer play since I am in ny. Although I intend to go to aces for MLB in hopes that it lasts.

    I just can’t pretend im surprised or appalled by any of what’s happened. It is gambling. And I’m not saying it’s not a game of skill, I just don’t understand how that makes something not gambling. Basketball is a game of skill. If we play one on one and bet 20 dollars on it….we are gambling. I’m going to my buddies right now to play MLB the show all night and we will probably play for 5 bucks a game, and he will probably win most because he is more skilled at it. We will be gambling lol, the same way we had been gambling on dk.

    What is mind boggling to me is that I can not even play free contests which with 0 money involved is NOT gambling. And I don’t mean free rolls or anything where I’m competing against the masses. I mean me and a friend playing a free head to head i created. Makes no sense. And the only answer I can come up with is that dk and fd don’t want us to play if they aren’t taking their house rake, thus making it more
    Obviously…gambling.

  • kaetorade

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBBC Finalist

    @hammersticks84 said...

    It is gambling. And I’m not saying it’s not a game of skill, I just don’t understand how that makes something not gambling. Basketball is a game of skill. If we play one on one and bet 20 dollars on it….we are gambling. I’m going to my buddies right now to play MLB the show all night and we will probably play for 5 bucks a game, and he will probably win most because he is more skilled at it. We will be gambling lol, the same way we had been gambling on dk.

    The definition of gambling involves the element of chance. In your examples, you and your friend are both risking money on an outcome. However, if there is a clear difference in skill, only one of you is gambling.

  • Galante118

    • Blogger of the Month

    @draftngo said...

    Ok, I should clarify what I think of DK and FD. I think they bought an industry which is fine this is America, and were very successful jump starting the industry. Let’s be honest a billion dollars will help any business be successful. Then they started to implement things that were not good for the game or the future of it. Scripting is horrible for the industry because it creates a void in skill. The pros use scripting correct with careful and precise decision making which I find very skillful. But then there is gambler guy who just goes on and blindly plugs in 200 entries without a clue of what he has done. This industry is getting sued in every direction from insider trading to shady promotional practices.

    I play on DK daily for quarters sometimes a dollar. That is how beat up the industry left me. I am not a very good player, but enjoy DK very much. I just want them to change some things and work for the better of the whole industry not just themselves.

    The only problem with scripting is scripts that snipe people’s head to heads in lobbies. Scripts that are entering multiple line ups that I made, just saving me clicks and time, are not killing the industry lol

    Insider trading, the entire thing with Ethan was bullshit and that was proven lol I understand that employees being able to play, used to be a problem. They aren’t allowed now, so again, it’s a moot point.

    And shady promotional practices…sigh…have you ever seen a commercial for the lottery? It’s the same thing. Nothing is shady about it. At all. This one really aggrivates me because it’s all in the fine print, it’s clear as day. Nowadays everyone wants to make their money by suing people or getting over on someone else. Like the thread where the guy wanted his money back because he got a notification he won, when he didn’t. Seriously? Stop.

  • Warriv

    @kaetorade said...

    The definition of gambling involves the element of chance. In your examples, you and your friend are both risking money on an outcome. However, if there is a clear difference in skill, only one of you is gambling.

    No, there can be one person making a smart bet and one person making a sucker bet, but even if one side is a 99% favorite it would still be gambling.

    Note: I have nothing against gambling and fully support it, especially skill-based gambling like we are talking about.

  • Galante118

    • Blogger of the Month

    @Warriv said...

    No, there can be one person making a smart bet and one person making a sucker bet, but even if one side is a 99% favorite it would still be gambling.

    Note: I have nothing against gambling and fully support it, especially skill-based gambling like we are talking about.

    What’s your definition of gambling? If it doesn’t involve the words game of chance, or game or skill in some capacity, then sure it’s gambling. So would the stock market, buying a house, etc…that’s my problem with this definition. If you Google gambling definition the two that pop up…

    “Play games of chance for money” and
    “Take risky action in the hope of a desired result”

    Neither of those are DFS, esports, etc…Therefore, it depends on YOUR definition of gambling. I don’t get why this is a hard concept to grasp for people…

  • draftngo

    Perception is important. I personally am not involved in any lawsuit with DFS at the time, but I can see why someone not involved in gaming finds these practices sketchy. I was in the poker industry for almost 20 years which is where most of these practices came from. I am fairly certain DK was sure, if players actually knew that money would only reach them if they spent 25X their buy-in, that players wouldn’t buy-in so easily. Buy-in for $200 get $200 free slowly as you spend $5000 doesn’t sound that great.

    The insider info just looks bad. Were they sharing other info, like who the easy money is and were they using the info about a quality of a player to find them on another site. I am waiting to see if any thing like that ever comes to light which would be a little more fatal blow. A good player should be able to predict the info Ethan had so that part didn’t make me nervous, but it made me think what else might be happening with the player/worker crossover.

    On a side note. Those notifications were really starting to irritate me too. I asked them to fix it and they ignored me, maybe DK only cares about customer service when you use the word lawsuit. By the way that guy deserves nothing.

  • draftngo

    ESports really?? By definition fantasy sports is scored using real-life athletes statistics, When I think of Esports, I see Will Farrell screaming to his mom to bring him the meatloaf. Esports players couldn’t be further from athletes.

    Definition for fantasy sports:
    A fantasy sport (also known less commonly as rotisserie or roto) is a type of online game where participants assemble imaginary or virtual teams of real players of a professional sport. These teams compete based on the statistical performance of those players’ players in actual games.

  • baseballislife93

    can we deposit money into draftkings from out of state?

  • Warriv

    @draftngo said...

    The insider info just looks bad. Were they sharing other info, like who the easy money is and were they using the info about a quality of a player to find them on another site. I am waiting to see if any thing like that ever comes to light which would be a little more fatal blow.

    One thing I have been wondering on is if they have ever put better protections into place. Yes, they banned employees from gambling on other sites, but they still haven’t said they banned employee’s direct family members from doing so, or more importantly, that they have put better restrictions in place to maintain the integrity of their data.

  • donnybasbl

    @Galante118 said...

    The only problem with scripting is scripts that snipe people’s head to heads in lobbies. Scripts that are entering multiple line ups that I made, just saving me clicks and time, are not killing the industry lol

    Insider trading, the entire thing with Ethan was bullshit and that was proven lol I understand that employees being able to play, used to be a problem. They aren’t allowed now, so again, it’s a moot point.

    And shady promotional practices…sigh…have you ever seen a commercial for the lottery? It’s the same thing. Nothing is shady about it. At all. This one really aggrivates me because it’s all in the fine print, it’s clear as day. Nowadays everyone wants to make their money by suing people or getting over on someone else. Like the thread where the guy wanted his money back because he got a notification he won, when he didn’t. Seriously? Stop.

    You know, typing “lol” after things you disagree with doesn’t make them invalid.

    Just because you think the “Ethan thing” was bullshit, doesn’t mean it was.

    That “Ethan thing” was a colossal screw up and put the industry under scrutiny that it’s still trying to recover from.

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