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  • desertdanny

    Amazing!! So great for the industry and my bankroll.

  • Jaws1002

    The late swap points are all valid. Reading all these messages in this thread definitely sheds light on those who do not like late swap. Just curious though, the guys who spend their time with family after 7 or on weekends after 1, how often do you check the phone or computer to see how your team is doing? And is this a second income for you or just a hobby?

  • tmarohl

    @btwice80 said...

    That won’t work. Players lock at the regularly scheduled game time, so late swap has almost nothing to do with weather. Only time it comes into play is for iffy midwest and Coors games to give you an extra hour to decide, but even then you have to make your decision before the game starts in a delay.

    Thanks for clearing that up. I don’t really think late swap will help or hurt me much one way or another. I don’t play cash games, only GPP’s. If my early guys suck no matter what I do to my lineup it’s not going to help me win a GPP.

  • emnj69

    I hate the no late swap arguments. There is no valid argument for making a person play a player that is not playing in a game when the rosters are known before that actual game starts. The results should be based on the players that play. When a player is not playing making a daily guy include him in his or her line up is beyond stupid just because news came out after the contest starts. In its pure form fantasy players results are based on the results of the player that play games not to chance on if a player is going to sit or not. I have done well in daily fantasy but I would NEVER enter a high stakes buy in unless late swap exists. I cant imagine entering a $1500-$5000 buy in only to see player is not playing and you know this information before that games starts and be powerless to change it.

  • tmarohl

    @LuckyLuc3434 said...

    “We’re excited to announce that Mixup, the newest way to play FanDuel Baseball, will be debuting this spring. Mixup will offer exciting new twists on lineups and other game features of classic FanDuel Baseball. And each week, Mixup will keep it fresh with a different theme — so your strategies can change for each new theme.”

    I’m guessing it is like some of the stuff FD has been doing in some small GPP’s this year in the NBA. I.E. All Centers are point guards, all second or third year players are power forwards. They will probably do stuff like all second basemen are catchers, all first basemen are shorstops, Clayton Kershaw is everyone’s starting pitcher, etc.

  • kvzeek

    I think the more interesting thing here is dropping win point value and adding quality start points (is it possible to have a win without a quality start…?). Turned the site into a much more strikeout dependent one.

  • tmarohl

    @emnj69 said...

    I hate the no late swap arguments. There is no valid argument for making a person play a player that is not playing in a game when the rosters are known before that actual game starts. The results should be based on the players that play. When a player is not playing making a daily guy include him in his or her line up is beyond stupid just because news came out after the contest starts. In its pure form fantasy players results are based on the results of the player that play games not to chance on if a player is going to sit or not. I have done well in daily fantasy but I would NEVER enter a high stakes buy in unless late swap exists. I cant imagine entering a $1500-$5000 buy in only to see player is not playing and you know this information before that games starts and be powerless to change it.

    I would be more for late swap in general if it only allowed you to swap out a player that was scratched, or because a game was cancelled, rather than letting people continue to manipulate their lineups for the duration of the slate.

  • rgreuli

    Just saw an update from Fan Duel. Both late swap and non-late swap will be available this year. Currently only late swap contests are in the lobby.

  • tmarohl

    @kvzeek said...

    I think the more interesting thing here is dropping win point value and adding quality start points (is it possible to have a win without a quality start…?). Turned the site into a much more strikeout dependent one.

    I think just the opposite. It always was about the strikeouts. Now the quality start angle allows you to pick from a bigger pool of pitchers that don’t have the offense behind them to get the win.

  • bosoxfan0509

    • 2015 FAWBC Finalist

    @rgreuli said...

    Just saw an update from Fan Duel. Both late swap and non-late swap will be available this year. Currently only late swap contests are in the lobby.

    Can anyone answer if the main slates will be late swap, or will late swap just be a gimmicky slate?

  • Jvanspro

    I hate this change. No late swap was a huge reason why I play on FD. The last thing I want to do in the evening is constantly check news. I’m hoping FD offers a lot of non late swap game as I will only join those.

  • tmarohl

    I guess the good thing is they are letting the market decide and both types of players will have a choice.

  • pburghpens22

    I hope the bigger contests are No late swap !

  • LuckyLuc3434

    I can appreciate the late swap arguments, but let’s remember that DFS is a zero-sum game.

    Not having late swap does not make it harder for you to win since there is a risk that one of your players doesn’t play, as every other player in the tournament has the chance of it happening to them as well.

    In the long run, you aren’t going to be “screwed over” by not having late swap. There will be times when a player that you don’t own that 50% of the field owns gets scratched late and it works out to be a huge benefit to you.

  • emnj69

    I like the idea of having contests that have both-let the player decide what they want to play-like I said you will never get me to do a big buy in without it

  • rgreuli

    @bosoxfan0509 said...

    Can anyone answer if the main slates will be late swap, or will late swap just be a gimmicky slate?

    From the note I get I am interpreting that all slates will have a mix of late swap and non-late. Also, It look like you will only be able to swap a player if they are scratched or the game is postponed.

  • emnj69

    @LuckyLuc3434 said...

    the long run, you aren’t going to be “screwed over” by not having late swap. There will be times when a player that you don’t own that 50% of the field owns gets scratched late and it works out to be a huge benefit to you.

    I want my destiny in my hands and my talents-not random things beyond my control

  • kvzeek

    Ya I see what you’re saying on wider player pool but I don’t think early in the season that they’re gonna price adjust where low win potential guys with huge K upside get a bigger ownership percentage because they will be inherently cheaper because fanduel’s algorithm used to be win potential adjusted. Makes playing cheap Strikeout GPP pitcher so much easier to with lest opportunity cost, making them more chalky.

  • rgreuli

    From Fan Duel:

    Late Swap: as of today, both Late Swap and non-Late Swap contests will be available in the Fan Duel lobby. In a Late Swap contest, users can edit players in their lineup up until the players’ individual games begin, rather than locking lineups at the start of the first game of the slate. If a player in a user’s lineup is a late scratch or has a game cancelled because of bad weather, the player can be switched out across all lineups prior to his game start.

  • LuckyLuc3434

    @emnj69 said...

    emnj69

    I get that, but my argument is that there is also an edge to be found in predicting these things

    For example my one tournament win was because the Red Sox Indians playoff game got rained out 30 minutes after lock. However if you looked at the forecast before lock, it was easy to see that it was going to rain all day. And the MLB recent history with playoff rain games had indicated that they would rather postpone it to another day then have an extended rain delay. That made it an easy fade and was a huge edge for anybody who did the research on it.

    What I’m trying to say, is yes, these events are beyond your control, but they are not always completely unpredictable, and figuring out which players/games are at risk of not being played is part of the skill involved in DFS

  • sugewhite

    FanDuel has posted explanation of changes on the front page in the banners on top.

  • lukkboxxin

    .Since they making changes could they plz use a better format for scoring on pga. and Please please please for the love of dfs humanity bring back PIMS and +/- for NHL. I know where I wont be playing my mlb action at. This is so unlike fanduel. This is not a good idea.

  • sugewhite

    https://www.fanduel.com/late-swap

  • NESBears120

    The release I read said that not all contests are late swap, so just play the ones that aren’t

  • wolfjb1

    This thread is hilarious! I mean, I’m unprofitable in my DFS career, so nobody should take strategy advice from me, but even I can understand why late swap isn’t just about guys being “rested” or benched, like we see in the NBA. It’s not really about random late scratches.

    Like others have said, the edge in the late swap slates definitively goes to people who pay close attention all slate long. This cannot be disputed.

    Say two low priced hitters in the early games in your lineup get you something like 6x or whatever. When you set your lineup that day, you didn’t start Kershaw – who’s pitching at home, starting late – because you paid up for a couple of high priced hitters who also have late starting games. So, because your low scoring guys were +EV, maybe you move off your mediocre pitcher and onto Kershaw, while swapping some “safer hitters” for the high priced hitters. That’s just a single example of how you could use late swap to your benefit. There are tons of other ways.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    If they really wanted to help neutralize the weather they could ave players lock when the actual game time as opposed to scheduled start time…I could have missed that, but I don’t believe that’s the case, so it’s a bit disingenuous since you’re sti going to have to make a call (guess) on earlier games with potential weather issues.

    I’d prefer they not have done this, but honestly I don’t care a ton because I’m trying to avoid playing in FD anyways at this point…so this likely just helps me continue that.

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