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  • desertdanny

    Amazing!! So great for the industry and my bankroll.

  • toxx6878

    I fold

  • kroto

    Whre are the sunday slate, why is Monday posted before Sunday

  • Roma315

    lol they just listed the “non late lock” contest $1000 prize pool is their biggest GPP.

  • Whacko

    @Roma315 said...

    lol they just listed the “non late lock” contest $1000 prize pool is their biggest GPP.

    Serious?!

  • Kjwhalen77

    Lol @ the Non-swap Slate….. what’s the point?

  • mabrla

    @emnj69 said...

    I hate the no late swap arguments. There is no valid argument for making a person play a player that is not playing in a game when the rosters are known before that actual game starts. The results should be based on the players that play. When a player is not playing making a daily guy include him in his or her line up is beyond stupid just because news came out after the contest starts. In its pure form fantasy players results are based on the results of the player that play games not to chance on if a player is going to sit or not. I have done well in daily fantasy but I would NEVER enter a high stakes buy in unless late swap exists. I cant imagine entering a $1500-$5000 buy in only to see player is not playing and you know this information before that games starts and be powerless to change it.

    I make a most of my DFS money with a single lineup non-late swap. This effectively has crushed my biggest cash cow, and I might as well migrate over to DK.

    My biggest advantage over the masses in MLB is playing on a no late swap site. Now, I have to go on DK and use the positional flexability to my advantage. My ROI is going to massively dip this year due to this. Some of us live by no late swap. When DK moved to no late swap in NBA I moved all my action over there.

    It’s just a gut punch. I’m honestly unsure how I’m going to build off my best year. I don’t know what advantages I have left…I simply can’t devote my entire life to this after lock time. There is a reason that my ROI is nearly 70% higher depending on late swap/no late swap.

  • mabrla

    This is literally my biggest nightmare…

  • mabrla

    @LuckyLuc3434 said...

    I get that, but my argument is that there is also an edge to be found in predicting these things

    For example my one tournament win was because the Red Sox Indians playoff game got rained out 30 minutes after lock. However if you looked at the forecast before lock, it was easy to see that it was going to rain all day. And the MLB recent history with playoff rain games had indicated that they would rather postpone it to another day then have an extended rain delay. That made it an easy fade and was a huge edge for anybody who did the research on it.

    What I’m trying to say, is yes, these events are beyond your control, but they are not always completely unpredictable, and figuring out which players/games are at risk of not being played is part of the skill involved in DFS

    This is a freaking art. Being able to make these calls was a huge part of the skill game. Now the pro’s will be able to CSV mass edit lineups on the fly all night and it makes those with a single lineup (like myself) have a MUCH HARDER path to win anything significant.

  • mabrla

    No late swap FD MLB funds my bankroll for the entire year in every sport. If I can’t sustain my previous level of play under the new format (I have three years of stats showing i make ~60% less on late swap sites), then I’m going to have to stop playing eventually and it breaks my heart.

  • Jvanspro

    @mabrla said...

    This is a freaking art. Being able to make these calls was a huge part of the skill game. Now the pro’s will be able to CSV mass edit lineups on the fly all night and it makes those with a single lineup (like myself) have a MUCH HARDER path to win anything significant.

    Exactly. This has nothing to do with scratches which rarely happen in baseball. It’s pretty narrow minded to think late swap gives one an edge because a player in their lineup can be swapped after being ruled out. The give the pros a huge advantage. Now the ones who watch the computer and scores all night can make upside plays if they are behind. Horrible decision by Fanduel.

  • mabrla

    @Jvanspro said...

    Exactly. This has nothing to do with scratches which rarely happen in baseball. It’s pretty narrow minded to think late swap gives one an edge because a player in their lineup can be swapped after being ruled out. The give the pros a huge advantage. Now the ones who watch the computer and scores all night can make upside plays if they are behind. Horrible decision by Fanduel.

    What no late swap does is give someone with a single entry in a $25 or $300 tournament a chance to take it down vs the pros. Try taking down a GPP now with Saahil mass CSV optimizing his lineups at the conclusion of every game to give him the highest chance to win.

    When it locks at a single time, everyone has the same shot. I simply can’t compete with the time and resources these pros have through the night.

    I guess I’m just going to do what I normally do, and make my lineups at 7 and not alter them at all…but my ROI will certainly plummet. I’ve played the late-swap game before and I’m just inferior at it. Not ashamed to say it. My skill is in researching the matchups, not adjusting to changes in MLB.

    I’m f*cKed…

  • jwitte007

    @mabrla said...

    No late swap FD MLB funds my bankroll for the entire year in every sport. If I can’t sustain my previous level of play under the new format (I have three years of stats showing i make ~60% less on late swap sites), then I’m going to have to stop playing eventually and it breaks my heart.

    I’m in the exact same boat as you. Just gave my feedback to FD. I suggest everyone in this situation do the same.

  • kieff5280

    • Blogger of the Month

    Fanduel doesn’t care about the smaller-time player. I am in a similar situation where I did well on FD. I will have to adapt and adjust

  • mabrla

    @mellofellowsu said...

    The lesson here is that they’ll never please everybody.

    But now half of us don’t have another option unless we want to play for a measly $1000 top prize…

  • pal

    No life and stare at phone all day: late swap rules for the tiny edge it gives you to adjust.
    Kids, other things besides DFS in your life: it’s not cool.

  • mabrla

    Biggest issue is pro’s being able to mass CSV optimize their lineups well into the night. IDK how someone can say no late swap helps the pros…I play a single damn lineup and use it to my advantage lol..

  • draped

    I completely understand everyone who hates late swap. But the thing is despite all the people who will complain about it, most of them will still play the late swap FD slates anyway. If you don’t like it then I suggest writing to FD and switching to DK or doing something that actually will show FD that you are upset.

    NOTE: I only play DK.

  • jwitte007

    The largest volume players will play no matter what. Really seems to me this will lessen overall volume on their site, but time will tell…

  • mabrla

    @jwitte007 said...

    The largest volume players will play no matter what. Really seems to me this will lessen overall volume on their site, but time will tell…

    DK is the superior product when both have late swap… So I’m sure many like me will just move over to DK, just like I did with NBA. Just sucks bc my MLB win rate without late swap on FD was literally ABSURD over the last two years.

    Single lineup, only played GPPs, 63% cash rate.

    On DK, using the same research, but with late swap….32% cash rate in GPPs.

  • draped

    @mabrla said...

    DK is the superior product when both have late swap… So I’m sure many like me will just move over to DK, just like I did with NBA. Just sucks bc my MLB win rate without late swap on FD was literally ABSURD over the last two years.

    Single lineup, only played GPPs, 63% cash rate.

    On DK, using the same research, but with late swap….32% cash rate in GPPs.

    does that also have to do with the lineup/scoring differences though? for example I play DK exclusively for MLB bc of the 2 pitchers. personally that’s a bigger factor than the late swap.

  • mabrla

    @draped said...

    does that also have to do with the lineup/scoring differences though? for example I play DK exclusively for MLB bc of the 2 pitchers. personally that’s a bigger factor than the late swap.

    I think it’s more to do with having a life. I generally do not touch my lineups after lock regardless. When I do, I’m not as skilled at it as my build comes down to a single roster. I generally have no pivots as my research leads me to an exact lineup nightly.

  • btwice80

    @draped said...

    does that also have to do with the lineup/scoring differences though? for example I play DK exclusively for MLB bc of the 2 pitchers. personally that’s a bigger factor than the late swap.

    Yeah, extreme differences in MLB results between the two sites are due to factors such as multi- or single positional eligibility, one vs. two pitchers, pricing algos, and scoring differences (especially for pitchers). It’s not because of late swap.

  • tmarohl

    @mabrla said...

    What no late swap does is give someone with a single entry in a $25 or $300 tournament a chance to take it down vs the pros. Try taking down a GPP now with Saahil mass CSV optimizing his lineups at the conclusion of every game to give him the highest chance to win.

    When it locks at a single time, everyone has the same shot. I simply can’t compete with the time and resources these pros have through the night.

    I guess I’m just going to do what I normally do, and make my lineups at 7 and not alter them at all…but my ROI will certainly plummet. I’ve played the late-swap game before and I’m just inferior at it. Not ashamed to say it. My skill is in researching the matchups, not adjusting to changes in MLB.

    I’m f*cKed…

    I thought Sahil only played stacks. Won’t he be screwing up his stacks if he starts moving players around?

    I guess what this means, if what you say is true, is I will be avoiding main slates and playing more late night, turbo, or other tournaments where there will be no late swap advantage.

  • draped

    @mabrla said...

    I think it’s more to do with having a life. I generally do not touch my lineups after lock regardless. When I do, I’m not as skilled at it as my build comes down to a single roster. I generally have no pivots as my research leads me to an exact lineup nightly.

    i can understand those of you don’t want to do anything after lock, but to say u can’t have a life with late swap is extremely exaggerating the situation. sure maybe if you want to make a living from DFS then you need to be making tons of changes post lock, but i make a decent ROI and i honestly spend very very little time post lock. its pretty similar to the amount of time i would spend just checking how my lineups are doing regardless of if I could late swap or not. Most of the late swap time investment comes before lock anyway for me.

    EDIT: the distinction should be made that i am mostly a cash player, so i suppose you could make the argument that more time would be needed to make moves in GPPs, although with a single lineup i don’t see that being all that much effort given that you can prepare before lock anyway.

  • mabrla

    @tmarohl said...

    I thought Sahil only played stacks. Won’t he be screwing up his stacks if he starts moving players around?

    I guess what this means, if what you say is true, is I will be avoiding main slates and playing more late night, turbo, or other tournaments where there will be no late swap advantage.

    I remember the first day I realized I hated late swap was the first day I won a GPP on DK. I was 30 points ahead of everyone just smashing, and Saahil made some ridiculous late swaps to one of his lineups and it almost caught me. Threw guys in at .2% ownership and swapped in all this nonsense I am not capable of doing without his algo.

    If there was no late swap, I would have won that slate by 40 points+.

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