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  • desertdanny

    Amazing!! So great for the industry and my bankroll.

  • Razzle11

    @jwitte007 said...

    Here’s what you’re missing. If you have a lower upside/higher owned guy in your lineup and you are a very long shot to cash anyway, you can pivot to a guy with more upside/less owned to at least have a better chance to get in the money. Sure, this guy probably has a lower expected (average) projection than the guy you originally had, but he still provides a better chance to cash.

    You may place higher on average with your original guy… but for example does it really matter if you finish 3,000 or 4,000 if the top 500 are paid? The replacement player(s) could give you a shot to get in the top 500. That’s what people are saying. Hopefully that’s clear enough.

    But in your example your swap player had the more upside anyways, so in GPPs he would be the guy that a lot of the “pros” would have already been considering. He has a wider range of outcomes which means he then scores less points than the other guy quite a bit more often than the other guy.

  • jwitte007

    @Razzle11 said...

    But in your example your swap player had the more upside anyways, so in GPPs he would be the guy that a lot of the “pros” would have already been considering. He has a wider range of outcomes which means he then scores less points than the other guy quite a bit more often than the other guy.

    Fair enough. There are so many ways it can be utilized, but I think it makes sense to say that the performance of early game players is actionable information that can be used to the advantage of those who keep up on it throughout the night.

  • MarMarHoopStar

    I love it because on days I have the time to commit, I can play late swap slates.
    Work days, I just play no late swap. Simple, idgaf about GPP size

  • madmanjayWV

    @Razzle11 said...

    Every change is going to have people upset. If FD believed that the non late swap was a more popular option, don’t you think they’d have those GPPs with larger prize pools? The disparity alone should tell you something. The people posting here are a drop in the ocean of players that utilize their product.

    When people are talking about mass editing via CSV, I can understand your thought and while there will be some times that it will benefit, there are going to be a number of times that it won’t because they are pivoting to an overall less EV play. You have the ability to do the same thing, you just CHOOSE not to do it. Just like they CHOOSE to do it. That is the thing, we like the freedoms we have to make our own choices. When you have a non late swap site, one of our choices is taken away from us and we just have to deal with no swapping. With it being available, we now have the option to make a late swap or keep our lineup the same. The issue I see so far is that people are automatically clamoring that making last minute tweaks is always a +EV move when if you talked to a large amount of people who play DFS, they will tell you that late tinkering generally leads to bad results. Your initial lineup/s are the ones you made via your research, which should be your best EV lineups.

    Another way to look at the use of late swap. Say you are a player in a large field GPP who plays maybe 10 lineups in that thing, knowing there are a large amount of people who will be playing 50-150 lineups. With 150 lineups, guys were able to take some chances with some iffy weather games, like Coors, however with your 10 lineups you couldn’t justify doing so. With the late swap option, you can build yourself a stack or two or three and have the ability to make changes should the weather get worse or they officially PPD it.

    The big take away for so far in this thread is the automatic assumption that every late swap is of the benefit to the player who utilizes it and I would go on a limb and say that is NOT the case overall. People just tend to notice it when it works and don’t dig through to see the number of times that it did not work

    Funny how fanduel never had problems filling massive GPPs over the years with no LATE SWAP for MLB, but yet now, there is not a GPP worth entering for the “non-late Swap” feature on FD.

    “The disparity alone should tell you something,” — YEAH — FD is killing the GPPs with no-late SWAP (i.e. the way it’s been since the beginning) and full on catering to the LATE SWAP crowd — that’s just the POT boys being the POT boys over at FD (aka Product Operations Team)

    Worthless to send them any feedback, they are going to do what they want to do.

  • MisterMister

    Who cares. We’re all gonna lose anyway.

  • Supersharpie

    I have always played on FD so am a noob when it comes to late lock protocol and have a question.

    Let’s say a game is set to start at 8:05 but first pitch is delayed until 9:30 due to weather. Do the players in that game lock at 8:05 (the scheduled start) or 9:30 (the actual start)?

  • draped

    on DK it would lock at 8:05, I would assume it is going to be the same for FD.

  • Supersharpie

    @draped said...

    on DK it would lock at 8:05, I would assume it is going to be the same for FD.

    Thanks!

  • ButBongoFiesta

    I’ve been trying to decide if I should divorce my wife or not but now that FD has late swap in baseball I don’t think I can give my (future ex) wife the attention she needs. So divorce it is. Thanks for helping me out with a tough life decision Fanduel!

  • crazypaul

    Fanduel introduces Late Swap then decides not to include the 3 late games on the main slate for this Monday…

  • draped

    @ButBongoFiesta said...

    I’ve been trying to decide if I should divorce my wife or not but now that FD has late swap in baseball I don’t think I can give my (future ex) wife the attention she needs. So divorce it is. Thanks for helping me out with a tough life decision Fanduel!

    ur profile picture perfectly fits this comment hah

  • mabrla

    I’m just going to have to spend the season playing smaller stakes and improving my skills making late swaps. A total buzz kill in a year where I was ready to enter the Monster nightly and was projecting to make 50-100k, but I know I’m not as skilled with late swaps as them. It’s my biggest weakness in DFS. I simply can’t put $300+ a night into something where pros have the ability to mass CSV optimize their lineups in tournaments.

    My edge was that it was a fair draw, my single bullet vs their max entries, nightly. I was able to compete then. Hell, even keeping up with the weather was a massive advantage and drew another 10% of lineups dead before we even started. Now? I’m not so sure.

    Back to the drawing board. Was really looking forward to making my push toward becoming a professional this year too…:(

  • KindGuy

    @mabrla said...

    projecting to make 50-100k

    Stop. Just stop it.

  • kobomemphis

    man some of yall are whinners . Just adapt and keep playing man/woman. Are you going to be that old guy/woman that says “ I hate change”

  • Roma315

    @kobomemphis said...

    man some of yall are whinners . Just adapt and keep playing man/woman. Are you going to be that old guy/woman that says “ I hate change”

    You don’t have any baseball stats so I’m assuming you don’t play so it won’t affect you. I show hardly any due to my sign up date but I’m a everyday FBB player. It really affects anyone with a significant other/child/serious job/life.

  • wideopen23

    Late Swap is great for grinders and people that don’t have jobs/wives/kids/lives. For the rest of us it is a killer. I simply refuse to throw my money away by playing at a disadvantage to players that have the time to constantly check news/weather at the start of each game.

    It’s a short sighted move to keep the grinders happy and generating 20-100 entries while it will kill the future of FD by making it harder and harder for the average joe to compete. It’s their business and their right to make the change, but I simply refuse to play on a site that doesn’t care about the recreational player.

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