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  • ColtsPacersFan1

    Hello,
    The late slate of games on FD tonite involved boston celtics. Jae Crowder was ruled out 30 minutes after 830 lock. Boston Portland game begins @ 1030. The ownership % on Jae Crowder is 31%. Compared to 45% for Harrison Barnes and 60% for Gordon Hayward. Based on pricing Jae Crowder would be owned at approximately 50% give or take.

    Moe Harkless also in late game has ownership of 46%. Moreso than Harrison Barnes. These numbers had to be altered in some fashion. No way could Jae Crowders family issue been known before lock. Harkless 99% even with privy to his starting position for the evening would not be owned more than Jae Crowder.

    Does anyone else believe these numbers would have to have been altered after LOCK. This is issue where FD’s integrity has to be questioned. Not sure if anyone at all gives a darn about this in NY but I am going to find out. If gaming commission exists this is once specific incident that needs to reviewed.

    Any suggestions on relevant contact information would be appreciated. Thank you.

  • spades4085

    @Razzle11 said...

    lol I do not get this insta-witch hunt when somebody is scratched. IT HAS TO BE THE SITE’s FAULT!

    Its the new mindset in life anymore for a lot of people, its always someone else’s fault. I get OP is mad and all, chalk it up as a loss and move on to tomorrow though

  • ColtsPacersFan1

    @Razzle11 said...

    You do realize that on DK you only have to roster one SF (and even that might not be the case if theres a primary PF that has SF eligibility) and on FD you have to roster 2 SF’s…7% more owned on DK and 15% more on FD….look at that, where you HAVE to roster 2 of them..seems like the numbers are pretty much in line. I have also checked a few optimizer/projection sites and they all have Barnes outscoring Crowder

    lol I do not get this insta-witch hunt when somebody is scratched. IT HAS TO BE THE SITE’s FAULT!

    Listen man. Vegas numbers trump all. Ive stated some facts. You have stated yours. Im not buying per VEGAS that Crowders ownership vs Blazers in contrast to Barnes ownership vs Jazz equates to 15% ownership difference at $100 difference in price.

    Theres no way Crowder is only owned at 31 % before the LOCK. Thats my opinion only. Nothing I personally can verfiy. Again, I am unde the impression that some hear may not be interested in Truth. When 90% on this topic have so easily dismissed the possibility.

    Ive said my peace. Thank you for your time RotoGrinders.

  • ColtsPacersFan1

    @spades4085 said...

    Its the new mindset in life anymore for a lot of people, its always someone else’s fault. I get OP is mad and all, chalk it up as a loss and move on to tomorrow though

    This fish has nothing left for the sharks at FD.

  • Razzle11

    @ColtsPacersFan1 said...

    Listen man. Vegas numbers trump all. Ive stated some facts. You have stated yours. Im not buying per VEGAS that Crowders ownership vs Blazers in contrast to Barnes ownership vs Jazz equates to 15% ownership difference at $100 difference in price.

    Theres no way Crowder is only owned at 31 % before the LOCK. Thats my opinion only. Nothing I personally can verfiy. Again, I am unde the impression that some hear may not be interested in Truth. When 90% on this topic have so easily dismissed the possibility.

    Ive said my peace. Thank you for your time RotoGrinders.

    Vegas doesn’t do anything with ownership %s. I have stated far more facts than you have but you have your mind made up that its obviously rigged in some way.

    I could go into more, where would Crowder fall on your list of Celtics to use tonight? 4th? Makes it even easier to see why he was lower owned. The BOS-POR game was the one to stack, so when it came to stacking wouldn’t you like IT2, Horford, Smart over him? Crowder’s price is just too high on FD to make him a solid play. I could argue I liked Jaylen Brown over him for a large savings, depending on roster construction.

    Like I said, building a lineup, people were spending up at PG and SG and if they went with Horford and/or Hayward, where is the savings coming from?

  • Lathum

    We totally need the NY gaming commission looking into frivolous claims. I’m sure that will be really helpful for the overall growth of the game there and other states considering legalization will totally appreciate claims like this.

  • KindGuy

    @ColtsPacersFan1 said...

    Listen man. Vegas numbers trump all. Ive stated some facts. You have stated yours. Im not buying per VEGAS that Crowders ownership vs Blazers in contrast to Barnes ownership vs Jazz equates to 15% ownership difference at $100 difference in price.

    Theres no way Crowder is only owned at 31 % before the LOCK. Thats my opinion only. Nothing I personally can verfiy. Again, I am unde the impression that some hear may not be interested in Truth. When 90% on this topic have so easily dismissed the possibility.

    Ive said my peace. Thank you for your time RotoGrinders.

  • jjwd

    Is this Tammy?

  • TheGuth

    I could easily see how Barnes would have been the way to go tonight when comparing the two. You have to factor in the B2B for Crowder, who was priced fairly high at $6.5k on FD. He put up an absolute dud of a game last night, so there is also naturally going to be some recency bias in play. Barnes was rested in what was projected to be a tight game. Barnes is also arguably the #1 scoring option on his team and is viewed upon (by me anyway) as a safer play. This conspiracy theory stuff isn’t worth your time, trust me.

  • DoubleTime

    • 2016 King of Summer: August

    @ColtsPacersFan1 said...

    No way Barnes get overplayed on Crowder by 15%. Not going to happen. Even DK numbers suggest Barnes vs Crowder is at best a 7 % descrepancy.

    But DK numbers don’t suggest that. The difference between 2 players % will not always be the greatest on DK. That is what you are saying tho, that because there was a 7% discrepancy between 2 players on DK, it should be lower than 7% on FanDuel. It can obviously vary either way.

    Crowder was 19% on DK, but 31% on FD. If you asked a random person on the street they would say he was a little higher owned than he should have been on FD… but now you are claiming there should have been an even larger gap in his ownership % between the 2 sites.

    You might be correct that Crowder should have been higher owned than Harkless, but it didn’t happen. Trying to draw conclusions based on a small disparity in the difference between 2 players’ ownership %‘s on 2 different sites with complete different pricing and lineup constructions… it is crazy man. And it looks like you’ve been killing it lately? No?

  • ColtsPacersFan1

    @Razzle11 said...

    Vegas doesn’t do anything with ownership %s. I have stated far more facts than you have but you have your mind made up that its obviously rigged in some way.

    I could go into more, where would Crowder fall on your list of Celtics to use tonight? 4th? Makes it even easier to see why he was lower owned. The BOS-POR game was the one to stack, so when it came to stacking wouldn’t you like IT2, Horford, Smart over him? Crowder’s price is just too high on FD to make him a solid play. I could argue I liked Jaylen Brown over him for a large savings, depending on roster construction.

    Like I said, building a lineup, people were spending up at PG and SG and if they went with Horford and/or Hayward, where is the savings coming from?

    Since you may be the only one contributing to this thread I will humor you. Vegas over/under on Bost Port 219,5. Utah Dallas 193.5

    In terms of Mavs to play tonite I cant imagine a 100$ differeence between Barnes and Crowder translates to 15% ownership difference. To each his own. But common sense per Vegas suggests Crowder would be at minimum equal to Barnes in ownership.

    Let me guess… next im going to be advised that “contrarian POV” suggests take the player from the team with a 193 O/U as better “value” than the player from 219.5 O/U at $100 price differentiation??

    Barnes vs Jazz 193.5 O/U $(100) is 46%
    Crowder vs Blazers 219.5 O/U $+100 is 31%

    Now at all makes sense why im broke. Take players from teams with O/U at less than 200. Thanks yall! I musta skipped DFS 101 the day they taught higher the over/under the lower the upside.?!

    GMAFB.

  • DoubleTime

    • 2016 King of Summer: August

    @ColtsPacersFan1 said...

    Since you may be the only one contributing to this thread I will humor you. Vegas over/under on Bost Port 219,5. Utah Dallas 193.5

    In terms of Mavs to play tonite I cant imagine a 100$ differeence between Barnes and Crowder translates to 15% ownership difference. To each his own. But common sense per Vegas suggests Crowder would be at minimum equal to Barnes in ownership.

    Let me guess… next im going to be advised that “contrarian POV” suggests take the player from the team with a 193 O/U as better “value” than the player from 219.5 O/U at $100 price differentiation??

    Barnes vs Jazz 193.5 O/U $(100) is 46%
    Crowder vs Blazers 219.5 O/U $+100 is 31%

    Now at all makes sense why im broke. Take players from teams with O/U at less than 200. Thanks yall! I musta skipped DFS 101 the day they taught higher the over/under the lower the upside.?!

    GMAFB.

    But you are trying to simplify it way too much. People do not make decisions based solely on vegas o/u.

    Barnes has a 25% usage. Crowder has a 16.5% usage.

    Would you rather take a guy with a 25% usage in a 193.5 o/u game. Or a guy with a 16.5% usage in a 219.5 o/u game. I’m not sure the answer, but people play guys for different reasons.

  • tonytone1908

    Fading the highest 2 salaried player at any position is the best way to be contrarian on a short slate, even if it leaves money on the table. Even more so if the slate is guaranteed to leave a few K due to low salaries to begin with.

    Tldr; not an odd choice for a fade on a slate like this, especially if stacking and needing that spot to go with Thomas.

  • KindGuy

    I don’t care what the hell Vegas says is the O/U, there is no way I’m paying $6,500 for a Spot Up Shooter when I can get the focal point of a teams offense for $100 less.

    Good luck with your meeting.

  • pburghpens22

    @elementasrat said...

    I don’t care what the hell Vegas says is the O/U, there is no way I’m paying $6,500 for a Spot Up Shooter when I can get the focal point of a teams offense for $100 less.

    Good luck with your meeting.

    Exactly…I’ll take Barnes in that scenario all day!

  • ColtsPacersFan1

    @elementasrat said...

    I don’t care what the hell Vegas says is the O/U, there is no way I’m paying $6,500 for a Spot Up Shooter when I can get the focal point of a teams offense for $100 less.

    Good luck with your meeting.

    O/U is only one of many factors to consider. Quite frankly there is no way in hell I can take u with a bit of a sincerity. Shovel that crap your flinging some other direction.

    care to post Barnes vs Crowders last 10 games FD points. Then explain 46% to 31%. Dont think anyones gonna fall for that BS trap.

    Lets see. Utah Jazz 2nd in overall D. Blazers im guessing bottom 20.

    Please let me know what slate anyone is at taking Barnes 46% to Crowder 31%. I will sign up in a NY second.

    Waht a load of s*** this guys shovelling. GTFOH. Not one with a lick of sense is buy ing the bull.

  • ColtsPacersFan1

    Listen no one here with the attitude some have expressed is gonna convince me otherwise of whats ABUNDANTLY obvious. Just pebbbles im sure FD wont miss but ive seen enuff tonite to know better going forward.

    DFS @ FD seems to be nothing more than stealing from thy neighbor

  • Choco26

    Fischer Price – My First Late Scratch

    Get over yourself, OP

  • DoubleTime

    • 2016 King of Summer: August

    @ColtsPacersFan1 said...

    care to post Barnes vs Crowders last 10 games FD points. Then explain 46% to 31%. Dont think anyones gonna fall for that BS trap.

    By the way you said this, I figured Crowder must outscore Barnes by a bunch. But…

    Barnes.. Crowder
    36.3 13.4
    34 28.2
    19.8 29.7
    26.4 26.1
    27.9 31.6
    40.7 35.2
    25.6 37.2
    38.4 42
    32.5 28.7
    14 24.8
    Average.. 29.56 29.69
    .

    They are nearly identical. Crowder has averaged 0.1 more FD points / game over their last 10 games. Again, average FD points / game isn’t everything either, there are lots of things that go into it. (maybe this is a troll job and I took the bait)

  • madmanjayWV

    PREACH ON BROTHA^

  • madmanjayWV

    @ColtsPacersFan1 said...

    Since you may be the only one contributing to this thread I will humor you. Vegas over/under on Bost Port 219,5. Utah Dallas 193.5

    In terms of Mavs to play tonite I cant imagine a 100$ differeence between Barnes and Crowder translates to 15% ownership difference. To each his own. But common sense per Vegas suggests Crowder would be at minimum equal to Barnes in ownership.

    Let me guess… next im going to be advised that “contrarian POV” suggests take the player from the team with a 193 O/U as better “value” than the player from 219.5 O/U at $100 price differentiation??

    Barnes vs Jazz 193.5 O/U $(100) is 46%
    Crowder vs Blazers 219.5 O/U $+100 is 31%

    Now at all makes sense why im broke. Take players from teams with O/U at less than 200. Thanks yall! I musta skipped DFS 101 the day they taught higher the over/under the lower the upside.?!

    GMAFB.

    I’ll tell ya what..
    #EYESOFBLUE had some early FD ‘stories’ of ancient ~~ LORE ~~ he used to track the $1-2 early days of MLB GPPs…….

    They’ll push it off as VARIANCE baby…just variance……… it’s so EPIC ..it’s awful

  • ColtsPacersFan1

    @DoubleTime said...

    By the way you said this, I figured Crowder must outscore Barnes by a bunch. But…

    Barnes.. Crowder
    36.3 13.4
    34 28.2
    19.8 29.7
    26.4 26.1
    27.9 31.6
    40.7 35.2
    25.6 37.2
    38.4 42
    32.5 28.7
    14 24.8
    Average.. 29.56 29.69
    .

    They are nearly identical. Crowder has averaged 0.1 more FD points / game over their last 10 games. Again, average FD points / game isn’t everything either, there are lots of things that go into it. (maybe this is a troll job and I took the bait)

    “They are nearly identical”

    My point exactly. Yet 46% to 31%. Not to mention the matchup scenario clearly favored Crowder.

    I was born at nite. But not last nite. I think I get the gist of where this crowds allegiance lie.

    • Reviewing DK’s roster parmeters. Its clear as day why Barnes would be slightly owned over Crowder. Harrison had eligibility at both Forward positions.

    Nothing can justify the difference in ownership other than the obvious. SAD day for DFS. Im surprised the thread lasted this long tbh.

    If were being honest here. Everyone knows the S**** is deep on this thread. Its true what they say. Money is the root of all Evil.

    Karma. Its a B****.

  • DoubleTime

    • 2016 King of Summer: August

  • DoubleTime

    • 2016 King of Summer: August

    Barnes has a high usage rate. Crowder has a low usage rate. Barnes was coming off a good game. Crowder was coming off a bad game. Barnes was rested. Crowder was on the 2nd night of a back-to-back.

    There are reasons to play either guy, but the public went with Barnes. It is impossible to be perfect when it comes to predicting ownership %, strange things often happen. What is crazy is you trying to blame it on FanDuel rather than you being wrong.

  • sonicattack

    Consensus response to OP and his subsequent posts throughout the thread.

  • clatrndzl

    Go play at FantasyAces. They don’t have this problem.

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