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  • FDRep

    • FanDuel Representative

    Hey all!

    I wanted to announce that we’ve changed our NBA format for 2019. After months of user feedback and testing, we’ve decided to revert to our traditional NBA format. That means that we’ll no longer drop your lowest score, so all 9 of your players’ scores will count. And we won’t be offering late swap on Full Roster NBA contests.

    We know that late scratches are a problem in fantasy basketball, and late swap is one way to help mitigate that problem. But we’re committed to keeping FanDuel fair and fun for all players, and NBA late swap doesn’t do that. This format makes it easier for fans to set their lineups then sit back and enjoy the games — without worrying about constantly checking player news or tweaking their lineups late into the night. We want to make basketball more fun, not more work.

    We’ll continue to explore how we can make our NBA product better for everyone.

    Thanks for playing! And to those of you I owe email responses to, they’re coming this week – Sportsbook has been taking up a lot of my time!

    - NB

  • sochoice

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    • 2017 FanDuel WFFC Champion

    Well done FanDuel.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    No late swap is all you needed to say.
    K thx by✌

  • bhdevault

    • Lead Moderator

    • Blogger of the Month

    Love it.

  • tmarohl

    Fanduel finally listening to bitching customers like me :)

  • feekdogg

    @tmarohl said...

    Fanduel finally listening to bitching customers like me :)

    I’m all for getting rid of that dropped score nonsense, but have to believe most players favor late swap.

  • DefinitelyMiami

    @feekdogg said...

    I’m all for getting rid of that dropped score nonsense, but have to believe most players favor late swap.

    We will be spending time with our family…..our Draftkings family

  • Njsum1

    Awesome move FD. I’ve always been against late swap, yet didn’t mind it last year on DK for some reason. Thought the drop the lowest might be solid, yet honestly, I didn’t love it.

    It’s great to have a choice again. Looking forward to playing a little more nba on FD this season.

    Howeverrrr…..can we get a flex or some multipositon eligibility?

  • BerkeleyBoss

    I play FD NBA every day and I don’t want late swap. Set it and forget it!

  • Smallchimp

    Really can’t understand the hype against late swap, “spending time with my family instead of watching actives/inactives” seems like such an artificial reason. Spend 2 minutes before each game starts checking the roster, it isn’t like you need to be chained to your work station lol

    Glad to hear FD realized “drop the lowest” was a bad format, I think I’ll be playing a little bit of NBA over there this season!

  • top40tom

    Every other major sport on FD offers late swap. Yet the one that really needs it the most doesn’t??? Makes no sense to me. It doesn’t take much effort to take a quick look before the games start to verify there hasn’t been a late change. FD should offer the smaller pool contests for the “set it and forget it” crowd. But for the main slate, late swap should be available. Getting screwed by something you have no control over sucks.

    Guess I’ll be playing a lot more on other sites (every one I typically play has late swap NBA).

  • gaelicgirl

    Casual players who just use late swap to avoid late scratches are at a disadvantage to sharper players who use late swap to optimize their lineups as the slate progresses, though.

  • BerkeleyBoss

    For me, it’s a lot more than a quick 2 minute look before each game. If I want an edge, I can’t just global swap in the next best guy at that price point and position. Often times it’s better to go up/down in salary and down/up at other positions. It means having contingency plans in place and since some nights there are games starting every 30 minutes, it can mean being glued to the computer for hours after the would be lock.

  • Smallchimp

    @gaelicgirl said...

    Casual players who just use late swap to avoid late scratches are at a disadvantage to sharper players who use late swap to optimize their lineups as the slate progresses, though.

    I suppose so. Couldn’t you argue the same thing with NFL? I get that “drop the lowest” was the biggest anti-casual thing given the fact that people were gaming it, but late swap seems a little less consequential in the grand scheme of things. People would rather lose with a full roster than lose because they were in on Glass or someone when he’s a late scratch. I get that it has the potential to be anti-casual, but I don’t know if casuals are getting killed on this.

  • feekdogg

    I wonder if there’s some sort of middle ground. Would it be possible to implement a system where once a player gets that dreaded red “O” next to their name, that then, and only then, you are allowed to swap them out (provided their game hasn’t tipped, of course).

  • txdave41

    @feekdogg said...

    I wonder if there’s some sort of middle ground. Would it be possible to implement a system where once a player gets that dreaded red “O” next to their name, that then, and only then, you are allowed to swap them out (provided their game hasn’t tipped, of course).

    Right, there are tons of creative solutions here, ways to make keep it fun instead of feeling like your night is already over once you see the dreaded O.

    At any rate, glad to see the dropped score go. It never helped me one bit with the late stratches.

  • gaelicgirl

    @Smallchimp said...

    I suppose so. Couldn’t you argue the same thing with NFL? I get that “drop the lowest” was the biggest anti-casual thing given the fact that people were gaming it, but late swap seems a little less consequential in the grand scheme of things. People would rather lose with a full roster than lose because they were in on Glass or someone when he’s a late scratch. I get that it has the potential to be anti-casual, but I don’t know if casuals are getting killed on this.

    Yes, same with NFL. I mostly stick to single entry contests so can’t say for sure, but I’d imagine that casual players trying to compete in multiple entry contests are most disadvantaged by late swap. No late swap just feels like the most level playing field to me.

  • rausch180

    With the NBA announcing the new starting lineup rule of revealing the lineup at least 30 mins before tipoff I thought FD might revert back to late swap, given there should be a fair bit of warning now, rather than last minute scrambles?

  • bigwillie20

    I just wish the slates didn’t lock until actual tip off like NFL. I don’t know how many times last year the slate would lock at 7 ET for 7:10 tips and there would be wtf scratches coming in at 7:02, 7:03…

  • yisman

    @gaelicgirl said...

    Yes, same with NFL. I mostly stick to single entry contests so can’t say for sure, but I’d imagine that casual players trying to compete in multiple entry contests are most disadvantaged by late swap. No late swap just feels like the most level playing field to me.

    I agree.

  • SkateFiend

    The argument against late swap is basically an argument for taking choices away from players who pay to play the game. The rationale is that it will be a disadvantage to volume players. But this makes no sense to me. If you play 500 lineups a day and late scratch took out half, you still have a sizable advantage over casual players. And any casual lineup with a zero would be dead regardless of what happens to the pros. NBA is totally different from MLB, where you can swap out Mike Trout with someone like Brian Goodwin at the last second, make no other moves and still cash. If I find out AD is out 20 mins before tipoff, I have to redo that entire lineup.

    This isn’t how DFS should be run, much less any part of the economy. If state regulator was to decide this issue, he should rightfully side with those who favor late swap, because he should tip the scale in favor of consumer protection. If I play only 3 lineups and I have plenty of time to make lineup changes, why should that option be taken away from me? If you’re playing dozens of lineups a day and family obligations or other factors keep you from making multiple changes, then you have to either make it work or play less volume.

    I’ve played in slates where last minute scratches doomed probably 20-30% of the field. You know what happened to my lineups that avoided this fate? Almost nothing. Someone like Kris Dunn gets scratched, people gnash their teeth on the NBA thread, and all of my lineups with no Kris Dunn won’t cash because the cash line is 320.

  • noddy

    @gaelicgirl said...

    Casual players who just use late swap to avoid late scratches are at a disadvantage to sharper players who use late swap to optimize their lineups as the slate progresses, though.

    this

  • theIrrigator

    @SkateFiend said...

    But this makes no sense to me. If you play 500 lineups a day and late scratch took out half, you still have a sizable advantage over casual players. And any casual lineup with a zero would be dead regardless of what happens to the pros.

  • Njsum1

    There is literally a 60 page thread detailing arguments for and against late swap. It’s a preference, don’t know why it’s being debated yet again. Zzzzzzzzz. FD nba was no late swap last year so I don’t know why we’re rehashing this argument. If you want late swap go DK or Yahoo. I don’t mind either style and play on all those sites.

    GG succinctly and accurately summed up the arguments against.
    And the arguments for are obvious, nobody wants 0’s in their lineup.

    Yet since FD is no late swap and it’s not changing, how about we talk about the rigid roster construction. That’s what I enjoyed least about the site and why I didn’t play as much as I had planned, not the drop the lowest score (even though I ended up not being a fan of that). Just didn’t like building lineups. Which for me is half the fun. Most nights I couldn’t put together 1 lineup I liked due to the rigidity, yet alone the 5 or 10 I would have wanted to.

    Multi position eligibility would be nice, yet we don’t even have to go that far.

    How about instead of…
    2pg
    2sg
    2sf
    2pf
    1c

    We go…
    1pg
    1sg
    1sf
    1pf
    1c
    1g
    1f
    2 util

    Thoughts?

  • Smallchimp

    @SkateFiend said...

    And any casual lineup with a zero would be dead regardless of what happens to the pros

    People overthink this stuff way too hard. Why are people so willing to cut off their nose to spite their face just because they think this is a way to have an “even playing field?” Yes, I understand that pro’s are typically at an advantage in one way or another, but buying into the narrative that taking a 0 in your lineup because you want to “watch TV with your family instead of sit on the computer” is better than having a way to switch out late scratches is naive. The pro’s are always going to have advantage in volume and strategy, but why does it make sense to take away the late swap so casual players can eat 0’s and still not cash? Like I said, there’s more tilt when 20% of your salary is taking a 0 because of a late game scratch than when a pro switches out 2-3 players and a casual loses by 50 in a GPP. People don’t like wasting money on a lineup that’s dead because a player won’t see the court.

    Really though, if you can’t do a lineup on a given night, don’t do one or elect to do a short slate/showdown. There’s options if the main option doesn’t appeal to you.

  • damionismyname

    • Ranked #90

      RG Tiered Ranking

    @Smallchimp said...

    Really can’t understand the hype against late swap, “spending time with my family instead of watching actives/inactives” seems like such an artificial reason. Spend 2 minutes before each game starts checking the roster, it isn’t like you need to be chained to your work station lol

    Glad to hear FD realized “drop the lowest” was a bad format, I think I’ll be playing a little bit of NBA over there this season!

    i play dfs to try and win money, if you want to just be a “fan” and watch the game don’t play dfs or play in a league instead but stop with the “family” excuse.

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