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  • bookitboi

    Just when it looked like FD was going to get more of my action as a result of DK’s rake increase, FD decides to implement a brutal and nonsensical rule change – making blocks and steals each worth 3 points this NBA season. Are you serious FD? I would love to hear the reasoning behind this decision. All RG members I urge you to email FD and/or comment on this thread if you agree that this is an incredibly poor decision. I hope another DFS site emerges to challenge DK in light of their recent decisions (rake increase, removing SNF from main slate, recent pick em rule changes). Fanduel has proven over and over they are incapable. I’ll be rooting for you Fantasy Draft….

  • cmac17554

    Why does FD feel the need to change scoring for every sport every year? Also the changes usually suck.

  • KindGuy

    I agree. Literally no reason to.

  • pburghpens22

    Yea that sounds a bit extreme

  • jokerswild22

    love the change

  • sochoice

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    Great change. More scoring is always better. Makes you think a little bit more about a defensive specialist which adds incrementally to the strategy angle.

  • emac

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    At first blush this is going to add some wildly unpredictable scoring swings and general chaos.

    Which of course does seem in line with the likelihood of this move pushing Brandon Jennings, Thaddeus Young, Trevor Ariza, Kyle O’Quinn, Myles Turner, etc. into more prominent DFS roles.

    If removing fractional scoring and negative scoring for anything other than earned runs in MLB, without doing back-testing and realizing there would be a tremendous amount of ties that even when tripling the scoring was not going to be resolved and then having to make additional scoring adjustments a couple weeks into the season because of the freshly minted mess = lighting the car on fire.

    Adding the late swap feature, but then proceeding to thin slice every slate possible and making most of the highlighted tournaments have incredibly top heavy payouts with 20-30% going to first place and 0.1-1% going to tenth place = driving very, very fast to get away from the flames and hopefully put them out.

    Then the introduction of increased scoring on two of the most unpredictable statistics (steals and blocks) by 50% that are… wait for it… two of the stats that rely most heavily on the interpretation of the “official” scorekeeper = yanking the wheel to head straight off a cliff in a spectacular homage to Thelma and Louise.

    Of course, I could be incorrect in my initial assessment.

    At least this is the preseason and FanDuel would have the opportunity to “save face” by calling this a beta test and then going back to the most recent scoring system for the regular season once we see things in action, of course the already chaotic brand of basketball playing time and rotations for the preseason will mask enough that Nigel & Co. will probably just let it ride.

    At least we can download the CSV files from the tournaments and take a gander at how lineup builds are playing out in more detail – oh wait, I forgot… we don’t actually want CSV files from tournaments.

    In any event, grab your popcorn.

    EMac

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Cool…so the least predictive stats, that already could extremely sway a performance are now worth more points?
    Makes sense.

    Not to mention, I’m still not even convinced all blocks and steals are even correctly credited.

    I guess the move is on brand though for FanDuel – it isn’t all that logical, but it makes things more random while increasing scoring.

  • lpk8787

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    @emac said...

    At least we can download the CSV files from the tournaments and take a gander at how lineup builds are playing out in more detail – oh wait, I forgot… we don’t actually want CSV files from tournaments.

    Moved all my action to DK because of this…

  • scsa1998

    Is the Pelicans favorable score keeper still employed, if so Anthony Davis will be a lock every slate at home.

  • joeycis

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    Fanduel should have waited until DK was ready to chop down the main slate to release this news…

  • joeycis

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    @joeycis said...

    Fanduel should have waited until DK was ready to chop down the main slate to release this news…

    Vice versa… damnit.

  • HungryHungryHip

    OP you want another site, try Fantasy Draft. Less rake and a quality product IMO

  • KindGuy

    @scsa1998 said...

    Is the Pelicans favorable score keeper still employed, if so Anthony Davis will be a lock every slate at home.

    I did extensive research on this last season and I noticed the score keeper wasn’t as biased as the repuation might suggest. Davis’ home and road ancillary stats weren’t that markedly different and could probably just be explained by the home/road factor which affects almost every athlete in every sport.

    There ARE, however, extremely biased stat keepers out there (Denver and Boston come to mind) but I’m not sure how to look up who’s employed at those positions.

  • anilprao88

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    @elementasrat said...

    I did extensive research on this last season and I noticed the score keeper wasn’t as biased as the repuation might suggest. Davis’ home and road ancillary stats weren’t that markedly different and could probably just be explained by the home/road factor which affects almost every athlete in every sport.

    There ARE, however, extremely biased stat keepers out there (Denver and Boston come to mind) but I’m not sure how to look up who’s employed at those positions.

    Anthony Davis has averaged 34% more blocks per minute at home than he has on the road for his career. Sorry, but you can’t just chalk that up to home court. It’s extreme.

  • KindGuy

    @anilprao88 said...

    Anthony Davis has averaged 34% more blocks per minute at home than he has on the road for his career. Sorry, but you can’t just chalk that up to home court. It’s extreme.

    I was referring only to last season though because scsa1998 asked if the scorekeeper was still the same.

  • Joe1Coal

    I really don’t see what the problem is. They were 2 points prior. Block = 2 pt. Steal = 2 pt.

    Now they are 3…I honestly don’t see a big difference here. Considering steals are low in most games, blocks are low in most games, it will just make guys like Green, Embiid, etc. better players.

    I don’t see a big deal.

  • btwice80

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    @Joe1Coal said...

    I really don’t see what the problem is. They were 2 points prior. Block = 2 pt. Steal = 2 pt.

    Now they are 3…I honestly don’t see a big difference here. Considering steals are low in most games, blocks are low in most games, it will just make guys like Green, Embiid, etc. better players.

    I don’t see a big deal.

    They are the least projectable stats (partly as emac mentioned because they’re the only ones subject to the scorekeepers discretion) . That’s not really debatable. A 50% increase is a huge change. I don’t see how you could say it’s small. It’s not like everyone’s FD team is only getting one or two blocks/steals total, and when you do now, well, you’ll really have no chance.

  • btwice80

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    @sochoice said...

    More scoring is always better.

    lol, no.

  • KindGuy

    What this DOES do is make minutes even more important. Steals, especially, as they don’t require much skill and usually just require a player being at the right place at the right time.

  • anilprao88

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    @elementasrat said...

    I was referring only to last season though because scsa1998 asked if the scorekeeper was still the same.

    It’s still like 10% more blocks and 30% more steals per minute at home for last season alone.

  • superstars92

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    I don’t play FD, but blocks and steals are mostly luck (more luck than rebounding and other things), so I guess FD just wants to make it more luck based.

    Also, steals and blocks are random. Last year, I watched a GS game in which Draymond clearly deflected a ball to Steph and Steph got rewarded with the steal. However, the guy who deflects the ball that leads to the TO is usually supposed to get rewarded with the steal.

  • anilprao88

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    @superstars92 said...

    I don’t play FD, but blocks and steals are mostly luck (more luck than rebounding and other things), so I guess FD just wants to make it more luck based.

    Also, steals and blocks are random. Last year, I watched a GS game in which Draymond clearly deflected a ball to Steph and Steph got rewarded with the steal. However, the guy who deflects the ball that leads to the TO is usually supposed to get rewarded with the steal.

    Yeah, they do mess that stuff up a lot. A lot of the times though they will go back and change it a couple minutes later though.

  • SkateFiend

    Blocks and steals should be worth more than the other counting stats. Turnovers should be worth more negative points.

    It’s too easy for some decent minimum priced player given 30 minutes to stuff the stat sheets by scoring 18 points and grabbing 10 rebounds. Rebounds are more luck than blocked shots. Half the the ball clanks off the rim and goes straight to someone there to take it. If you’re 7 feet tall and NBA caliber you don’t need much “skill” to grab 10 rebounds a night. Troy Murphy could do that. Blocks and steals are hustle points and some players are best equipped to pile on those states. Everyone took Dwight Howard early in H2H leagues to lock down two cats. Well, back in the day.

    NBA might be the only DFS sport in which players have no incentive to pay up for a certain stats or skill level. Wiggins is a Corey Maggette clone but he might put up the same amount of DFS points as some guard who’s involved in every aspect of the game. So everyone ends up chasing MINUTES. Because some bench guy who shot 30% of the season could either safely match his value for put up 25 real life points on the night he’s inserted into the starting lineup. No one has to ask “can this guy play defense and distribute the ball” You start Drew Butera on the night he starts, and chances are he’ll give you 0 points.

    Scoring last season was just ridiculous, on some nights I could finish just under 300 at Yahoo and still not cash. There should be additional wrinkles to the scoring system. Free throws and shooting percentage could be factors, if applicable.

  • jokerswild22

    Great change. Thanks FanDuel.

  • emoney1214

    Terrible change. I have only played FD, but will seriously consider other sites. Do we know which sites will have late swap and which won’t?

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