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  • bookitboi

    Just when it looked like FD was going to get more of my action as a result of DK’s rake increase, FD decides to implement a brutal and nonsensical rule change – making blocks and steals each worth 3 points this NBA season. Are you serious FD? I would love to hear the reasoning behind this decision. All RG members I urge you to email FD and/or comment on this thread if you agree that this is an incredibly poor decision. I hope another DFS site emerges to challenge DK in light of their recent decisions (rake increase, removing SNF from main slate, recent pick em rule changes). Fanduel has proven over and over they are incapable. I’ll be rooting for you Fantasy Draft….

  • DJBlaazah

    I actually love the change. It adds another element of strategy to roster building and allows for defensive specialists to become more relevant to the game. By the way, defensive stats are far from random.

  • tmarohl

    Could this be the reason for the change?

    http://www.espn.com/fantasy/basketball/story/_/id/20916781/fantasy-basketball-nba-embraces-fantasy-basketball-introduces-official-scoring-system

  • emac

    @tmarohl said...

    Could this be the reason for the change?

    http://www.espn.com/fantasy/basketball/story/_/id/20916781/fantasy-basketball-nba-embraces-fantasy-basketball-introduces-official-scoring-system

    Thank you for sharing that!

  • worldsgreatest13

    this is horrible

  • tmarohl

    @worldsgreatest13 said...

    this is horrible

    I have loved it in the preseason. My guess is that DK will eventually change to this format as it is the official fantasy scoring system for the NBA. FD and Yahoo are doing it this season.

  • Whacko

    Remember the NBA wants to push their standard fantasy scoring, From the articles while searching the net, consensus among opinions seem that they want the casual NBA fan to grow accustomed to the format.

    http://pr.nba.com/nba-fantasy-initiatives-2017-18-season/

  • mellofellowsu

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    Cool…so the least predictive stats, that already could extremely sway a performance are now worth more points?
    Makes sense.

    Not to mention, I’m still not even convinced all blocks and steals are even correctly credited.

    I guess the move is on brand though for FanDuel – it isn’t all that logical, but it makes things more random while increasing scoring.

    I wouldn’t say they’re the least predictive. Otherwise we’d see leaders change every year with no correlation whatsoever.

    We know which players excel at blocking shots and getting steals and they usually don’t change much year to year. I just think this adds another layer of strategy. Those that adapt will reap the rewards.

  • btwice80

    @mellofellowsu said...

    I wouldn’t say they’re the least predictive. Otherwise we’d see leaders change every year with no correlation whatsoever.

    We know which players excel at blocking shots and getting steals and they usually don’t change much year to year. I just think this adds another layer of strategy. Those that adapt will reap the rewards.

    They are not less predictive from a season-long perspective. They are absolutely less predictive by a long shot game-by-game.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    @mellofellowsu said...

    I wouldn’t say they’re the least predictive. Otherwise we’d see leaders change every year with no correlation whatsoever.

    We know which players excel at blocking shots and getting steals and they usually don’t change much year to year. I just think this adds another layer of strategy. Those that adapt will reap the rewards.

    Maybe “predictive” was the wrong word. Things like tempo, minutes played etc can be used for these stats too and in the past, if I have a close decision I have thought about things such as the opposing teams turnover rate, or going with a big man vs a team like Charlotte who would drive a lot and had more shots blocked than most teams, etc,

    So I think it’s more about the range of outcomes being wider than more traditional stats (on a game to game basis). For instance a good rebounder you may consistently expect 10-16 rebounds from. There’s a 5-6 pointish range you feel good about. But with something like steals, even a league leader in a plus matchup, the floor is 0 with the possibility of 5-6. The range is 0-15 or so which creates quite the swing.
    So while there may be a predictive element, I’d argue the floor and range of outcomes is wider and more scattered than traditional stats. It’s like gambling on bench guys who are thrust into more minutes.

  • tonytone1908

    This kind of reminds me of the quality start points on FD for MLB. I think it’s great. Will really spread out ownership, at least for the value guys. I think it could cause some of the higher priced guys to have higher ownership with more punts to choose from and maybe that’s the idea? I think you’ll see teams stacked with more stars with more viable punts in the mix, people want to root for studs, not JJ Barea or Luol Deng, although it is fun to see those guys go off when you’re the only one on them, with this change you need 2 cheap guys max and the rest of your LU can be all studs, albeit studs with high ownership and no guarantees.

    Does make it seem a little more lotteryish but then, isn’t it anyways? Have to admit it sucks using a punt that absolutely destroys on the defensive end yet gives you minimal return because they’re not a top shooter on the team. I think it’ll be fun.

  • tmarohl

    @tonytone1908 said...

    This kind of reminds me of the quality start points on FD for MLB. I think it’s great. Will really spread out ownership, at least for the value guys. I think it could cause some of the higher priced guys to have higher ownership with more punts to choose from and maybe that’s the idea? I think you’ll see teams stacked with more stars with more viable punts in the mix, people want to root for studs, not JJ Barea or Luol Deng, although it is fun to see those guys go off when you’re the only one on them, with this change you need 2 cheap guys max and the rest of your LU can be all studs, albeit studs with high ownership and no guarantees.

    Does make it seem a little more lotteryish but then, isn’t it anyways? Have to admit it sucks using a punt that absolutely destroys on the defensive end yet gives you minimal return because they’re not a top shooter on the team. I think it’ll be fun.

    A guy like Tony Allen comes to mind.

  • Skins79

    You will have outliers in all stats curry going o for 12 from 3 booker putting up 60 Thompson scoring 38 in a quarter….. that’s the nature of basketball lots of possessions lots of outcomes points alone vary much more than 15 points from game to game

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    But it’s not really an outlier. If my quick rally here is correct, Draymond Green had 0-1, or 0-3 pts 31 times last year.
    So if we’re talking statistical probabilities the real assumption should be that the category is a 0, or 3…which makes it potentially frustrating (or delightful if you pick him) when he comes up with a 12, 15, possibly more (think he had a 10 dream game last year).
    You don’t really see that with something like rebounds. Green isn’t getting 1-3 boards for a third of the season. Then :0 boards for a tenth of the season.

    Just look at last night. Rozier gets 4 steals off the bench and winds up with nearly 10x value. Was that in anyone’s projections?

    I’ll leave it at that. At the end of the day it really doesn’t matter…it’s a part of the product now. It’s something I need to factor in and like everything DFS, i’ll Make it work to my advantage, or if it’s contributing to me losing more, I’ll spend my money elsewhere.

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