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  • astukas

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    I understand that FD’s rules specifically say that punts blocked for TDs do not count, but I was wondering if a Fanduel rep could give the rationale behind that rule? Because on the surface it makes no sense, the special teams unit is creating a turnover and taking it in for a TD. What if they partially block the punt, it goes down the field a bit and then a guy catches it and runs it back?

    I’m not asking to be given extra points for the Texans today. Just wondering why they decided on this particular rule.

  • RangerC

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    dude, I have two teams with more points than that…one with thomas catanzaro and eddleman, the other with thomas gronk and bryant…In no way do I or did I think I had anywhere near a shot at getting in the top 20…yes, it could happen but to say it cost you 70k is a bit of a stretch.

    At the time I posted this the points were not as high (Rams hadn’t gotten their late D touchdown, no late Ben R- Antonio Brown TD) and top 20 looked more plausible. BTW the lineup in question now has 172 points – at 184 it would at least be alive for top 50.

  • aboynamedsuh

    The only thing that comes to mind is a pitchers hitting statistics in baseball. That is, for another instance where points on a scoreboard don’t count for anybody.

  • iconfantasyJoe

    I think some of you are missing the point of the thread. This isnt about who got “screwed” by Fanduel. FD screwed nobody. This is about 1 bringing awareness to an illogical scoring issue that FD has so fair insufficiently addressed by telling us to take surveys. And 2, allowing others to learn about it, learn how it can affect real outcomes and real money, and voice their displeasure so that change can be made.

    The idea that “everyone knows about it” is absolutely nonsense. I would estimate that only 1-3% of their user base even knows about this, until it happens to them. And sorry to break it to you, the couple thousand on RG, aren’t a fraction of their user base. But if we continually bring awareness to it, FD will eventually feel pressured to make the change, bc of continually being called out in a public forum.

    So in short, save the bs about how much money FD screwed you out of, and partake in the thread in a constructive way so that we can get assurances that they will in fact fix this by next year.

  • sethayates

    @iconfantasyJoe said...

    I think some of you are missing the point of the thread. This isnt about who got “screwed” by Fanduel. FD screwed nobody. This is about 1 bringing awareness to an illogical scoring issue that FD has so fair insufficiently addressed by telling us to take surveys. And 2, allowing others to learn about it, learn how it can affect real outcomes and real money, and voice their displeasure so that change can be made.

    The idea that “everyone knows about it” is absolutely nonsense. I would estimate that only 1-3% of their user base even knows about this, until it happens to them. And sorry to break it to you, the couple thousand on RG, aren’t a fraction of their user base. But if we continually bring awareness to it, FD will eventually feel pressured to make the change, bc of continually being called out in a public forum.

    So in short, save the bs about how much money FD screwed you out of, and partake in the thread in a constructive way so that we can get assurances that they will in fact fix this by next year.

    I second this. I have 100% Minnesota defense this week. Had Houston in week 1. I’m not mad about being “screwed” because I wasn’t. The rules were already in place before I joined the contest. That would be like complaining that I only got 0.5 PPR instead of 1 PPR. It’s my job as a player to read the rules for the site I’m playing on.

    With that being said, this needs changed and “take a survey” isn’t the answer. I don’t think this needs changed this year. It is already too late in the season. Personally, I would just like confirmation by FanDuel that we can get this fixed before next year. Here at Rotogrinders we have collectively pressured FanDuel into many changes. A big one that I can think of is hiding ownership percentage.

    Nigel, D4, and others read these forums often. Please just confirm we can get this fixed for next year.

  • scsa1998

    Didn’t Nigel answer why this was in place on one of the interviews.

  • sethayates

    @scsa1998 said...

    Didn’t Nigel answer why this was in place on one of the interviews.

    No, He said, to see Waiverwire’s post on page 1 (below)

    @waiverwire said

    To give some extra background on this…back in the old days (maybe three years ago), we assumed that Punt blocks returned for TDs would be scored as ‘return TDs’ in the data feed that we get from Stats, Inc. We didn’t have the language excluding them from getting the 6 points in our rules. We found out the hard way that that wasn’t the case, and when we asked Stats whether there was anywhere in the data feed where we could get blocks returned for TDs they weren’t able to answer with any certainty. As a result, we added the current language to the rules. Sometime later, Stats either changed how their feeds are set up or started providing information on how this situation could be scored based on the data in their feeds. We made the decision not change it based on a few things:
    1. We didn’t totally trust the information they were providing us, as they sometimes seem a bit unsure of some of the less common scoring scenarios.
    2. While punt blocks returned for TDs do affect the outcome of contests, they don’t affect anyone’s strategy going into a contest. They’re essentially a fluke event.
    3. In general, we’d rather only make changes to scoring when they’re a clear improvement. This one is ‘clear’ only in the sense that one would normally assume that they’re counted as TDs, but doesn’t really ‘improve’ the game in any other way.
    All that said, I think we’d be open to changing this at some point if it came up as a frequent complaint in our surveys.

  • RangerC

    “We don’t count punt block TD’s because they are random and don’t occur often” is the gist of the reply I got from them. Yet you can accrue points for a punt block OR if the punter fumbles the snap and it is run back for a TD – so some points can be scored on punts by a DST but not others. It’s obvious that this is some sort of bug in their scoring that they are too lazy to fix and instead they papered over it by saying ‘blocked punts don’t count’. I hope a blocked punt TD is the difference in the FFFC this year.

  • crimsonp

    @iconfantasyJoe said...

    I think some of you are missing the point of the thread. This isnt about who got “screwed” by Fanduel. FD screwed nobody. This is about 1 bringing awareness to an illogical scoring issue that FD has so fair insufficiently addressed by telling us to take surveys. And 2, allowing others to learn about it, learn how it can affect real outcomes and real money, and voice their displeasure so that change can be made.

    The idea that “everyone knows about it” is absolutely nonsense. I would estimate that only 1-3% of their user base even knows about this, until it happens to them. And sorry to break it to you, the couple thousand on RG, aren’t a fraction of their user base. But if we continually bring awareness to it, FD will eventually feel pressured to make the change, bc of continually being called out in a public forum.

    So in short, save the bs about how much money FD screwed you out of, and partake in the thread in a constructive way so that we can get assurances that they will in fact fix this by next year.

    I agree that there’s no reason for blocked punt return tds not to count. I also agree not everyone knows about this scoring rule, but when scoring points is how you win why is it so hard for these people to look under fd’s scoring rules. That should be one of the first things you do when you join a site.

  • bbrookie9

    If it is such a fluke that it happens ,why are 2 pts awarded for it happening?Had Buffalo D last week. The 6 pts. Not rewarded was over 400 spots in the standings. Had Vikes this week sute the 12 pts. Will double those 400 spots rhis week.Not crying but it should be changed. Its a scoring play no matter how much of a fluke it is!! See flukey catches all the time on batted or tipped balls that go for TDs maybe e should quit counting them

  • iconfantasyJoe

    @crimsonp said...

    I agree that there’s no reason for blocked punt return tds not to count. I also agree not everyone knows about this scoring rule, but when scoring points is how you win why is it so hard for these people to look under fd’s scoring rules. That should be one of the first things you do when you join a site.

    Because this is an industry standard scoring practice. FD is the only site, to my knowledge, that does not score this properly. Also, the average player, may not understand how illogical the scoring actually is, until they use a defense that happens to block a kick for a TD.

    It’s really a common sense change here, there is not one negative that could come about with the change. But I could find $2million negatives attached to not making the change.

    It’s part of the natural progression of a business, to fix issues that need fixing.

  • Rawyzf

    I’ll complain because I did have the MN D this week, and was really disappointed to find out Ret TDS on D don’t count if a Punt Block first. They do count if Int, FF, FG Block, etc. Strange.

  • chrisduffy543

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    let me ask this does it go against the opposing teams defense so did carolinas defense take a hit when vikings returned those 2 punts back for a td.

  • Mouseadolph

    I would agree with your point that the rules are already in place and it’s my job as a player to read the rules. However, with that being said I’m fairly new to fanduel and had no idea this rule existed. I did read the scoring rules of the contests I entered and they all just simply state return touchdowns count toward defense. Reading that I would assume blocked punt returns count, the only place it specifically states they don’t that I could find was under the help tab “scoring and rules”. My friend who referred me has been a member for 5 years and didn’t know the rule. The rule can’t be changed this week but needs to be corrected for next year period.

  • RangerC

    If you click on “Rules and Scoring” when setting a lineup the defensive scoring rundown mentions NOTHING about blocked punt TD’s not happening (its only under FAQ – Rules and Scoring, NOT the Rules and Scoring window that pops up in this situation) – it just says – Return Touchdowns – 6 pts, not Non-Punt Block Return Touchdowns – 6 pts. So Fanduel actually has contradictory information on their site – one of their scoring explanations DOES NOT mention this technicality.

  • T0mmyJ0hnZipper

    Fix the rule. You are worse than Congress. Listen to your customers and fix the scoring model so when a defense blocks a punt and scores a touchdown, said defense gets credit for it.

    This bs about it being “flukey” is a cop out. A statue of liberty or hook n ladder can both be described as flukey but you still cha ching the 6 pts.

  • Hallison

    Fan Duel is the laziest Million Dollar company that exists. Between not changing this obvious omission, and putting in a Kicker that is not even on the team(McManus) in the Sunday/Monday contest that went up today. Plus there was only 2 games in this contest.

  • thomashayden89

    https://www.fanduel.com/contest/7828347/scoring/lineup/83223379,84735734/

    This guy has to be on suicide watch.

    He was the only one in the top 5 of the Sunday Million that started the Vikings, the other 4 started Rams Defense.

    He finished in 5th place with 242 points. 1st place ended up with 252.

    Blocked kick returns not counting cost him $155,000. Brutal. Also his name is quite hilarious.

  • y2mulder

    I’m not going to feel sorry for a team with that nic, because…..I am over the age of 13.

  • Myprimetime

    @sethayates said...

    No, He said, to see Waiverwire’s post on page 1 (below)

    @waiverwire said

    To give some extra background on this…back in the old days (maybe three years ago), we assumed that Punt blocks returned for TDs would be scored as ‘return TDs’ in the data feed that we get from Stats, Inc. We didn’t have the language excluding them from getting the 6 points in our rules. We found out the hard way that that wasn’t the case, and when we asked Stats whether there was anywhere in the data feed where we could get blocks returned for TDs they weren’t able to answer with any certainty. As a result, we added the current language to the rules. Sometime later, Stats either changed how their feeds are set up or started providing information on how this situation could be scored based on the data in their feeds. We made the decision not change it based on a few things:
    1. We didn’t totally trust the information they were providing us, as they sometimes seem a bit unsure of some of the less common scoring scenarios.
    2. While punt blocks returned for TDs do affect the outcome of contests, they don’t affect anyone’s strategy going into a contest. They’re essentially a fluke event.
    3. In general, we’d rather only make changes to scoring when they’re a clear improvement. This one is ‘clear’ only in the sense that one would normally assume that they’re counted as TDs, but doesn’t really ‘improve’ the game in any other way.
    All that said, I think we’d be open to changing this at some point if it came up as a frequent complaint in our surveys.

    I’ve never seen this before. This answer smells bad.

    1. Every other dfs site can handle this rule. DK is getting the feed right. Hell Victiv launched like 2 months ago and I saw it update on theirs in like 2 seconds. I think blaming it on STATS is a bunch of crap.

    2. Is BS. Every defense TD is essentially fluke. It’s tough to predict a pick 6 but you count those.

    3. I would say admitting everyone knows that this should count and ASSUMES they do, then saying doesn’t improve the game makes no sense and is counter intuitive. If all your casual fans that you’ve spent tens of millions advertising to ASSUME this exists then there is no reason not to make the change.

  • rumble55

    I could be over thinking it a bit, however when choosing a def. I consider the greatest outcome of possible points. If my team def. gets a shut out that is more points. The more three and out defensive stops increases the possibility of punt return TD’s as well as possiblile blocks. It is a special teams TD, truly no different then a returned TD on a kickoff either. The rule should be change and I anticipate that it will.

  • narniak

    This thread is very serious to those of us who wisely selected the Vikings DST for our cash game lineups on FanDuel this NFL week 13. As we all saw, they blocked not one, but TWO punts for TDs. Being relatively new to the FanDuel site, I assumed all day that these very common type of TDs would be counting as 12 points. My head nearly exploded when I realized they had only counted for 4 points. I reread the FanDuel scoring system and was shocked and appalled to see that they in fact do not count the TDs for 6 points, but only 2 points for the blocked kick. Knocking 8 points off your cash games lineups is a backbreaker, particularly for an insanely high scoring week like this, and will most likely cost me THOUSANDS of dollars. Now I get to watch all the players leap-frog me into cash position with the Dolphins DST that I passed up for the Vikings.

    edit by Duder500 in order to not have to delete

  • PatrickBateman

    I did not know about that rule until last week. I had Buffalo D and kept thinking that they hadn’t added the points for the blocked punt/TD because the stat hadn’t been confirmed etc. I had Min D in a couple contests this week and am not very aware of the rule. With that being said I still would have picked those defenses whether or not this ‘rule’ was in place.

    Fanduel, please change this rule. Your reasoning is illogical and deviates from the industry standard in a detrimental manner.

  • jman87

    I was negatively affected by the Minn Defense not being awarded the points but oh well. Could have won about a grand more but it was a good weekend. I emailed fanduel to express my displeasure with them not correcting this issue.

    The reply I received was as follows,

    “Hi XXXXX,

    Thanks for reaching out to us here at FanDuel. It seems you’re already aware of the rules, so I don’t want to simply rehash what you already know.

    I will say there is internal discussion about this as well, and while nothing will be changed this late in the season, we are definitely going to look into this in the offseason. I ironically have the Vikings defense in our work leagues so I understand the frustration.

    Also, if this is the first time you’ve noticed the scoring rule, then it’s likely helped you in the past as much as it will negatively affect you today as there have been quite a few this year.

    Please let me know if there’s anything else I can do to assist you, and sorry again if you were negatively affected here.”

    This is the reply I thought I would receive. I have little faith that they will change their system to award the points for blocked punts returned for touchdowns next season.

  • bowens1984

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    I didnt have Vikings D yesterday and I still think this rule is awful

  • DillingerFour

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    Hi All,

    Waiverwire has stated the past reasoning in this post about why we did not have it in our scoring, which was on page one and also quoted a few times on this page.

    The current rules will not be changed this season. We do not feel it would be a best practice to change our scoring 75% of the way through the NFL season.

    We are currently revamping our entire live scoring process/page, and blocked punt TDs WILL be added before next NFL season begins.

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