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  • drewcrawford03

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  • Dunzor

    @bigez952 said...

    I believe you can still paly kickers in your flex spot so you can keep your edge if your good at picking out the guy who scores 30 points every week.

    No their twitter posts indicated you can pick a kicker in the “anyflex” spot that they use in showdown single game slates, but not in the standard flex spot on normal full roster

  • bigez952

    @gaelicgirl said...

    This sounds true and is a good point if you like the massive contests. But for those who prefer single-entry contests and smaller player pools for a more even playing field, it seems like a flex spot will be just another advantage for pros over less skilled casual players.

    I would say that causal players should stick to pick em and the non salary cap games which are designed for the less skilled and casual players. DFS is supposed to be a game of skill so better more skilled players should win the most often. Or the casual players should take advantage of beginner games as if they only play a handful of times per month they would get to play in those for a very long time as on DK it goes by the number of contests played.

  • gaelicgirl

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    Player valuation each week can be very different with PPR vs 0.5 PPR. I would think the flex spot on Fanduel is much more likely to be used on a RB while the flex spot on DK much more likely used on a WR.

    Also, within positions, some guys are much better in PPR than 0.5 PPR, and vice versa. Boom or bust WR’s carry more value on Fanduel while possession receivers carry more value on DK. Same goes for early down/goalline backs versus 3rd down/pass catching backs.

    Would think this would affect pricing across sites too which will lead you to very different roster construction/lineups.

    Very interesting points that I never even considered before, thanks!

  • sochoice

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    @Dunzor said...

    Honestly for me it was less about the kicker than the need to now pick a flex. I felt I had a pretty solid edge at identifying the ideal kickers to play over the public, but having to fill an entirely open flex spot makes it much more of a crapshoot for me. I know some people will like the change, but one of the big reasons I liked playing FD over DK was not having to fill a flex slot and using my edge on kicker selection

    I agree 100%. There was some skill in picking a kicker, especially since a large amount of people just punted or didn’t put much thought into the choice. Well, it is what it is, but I would rather the sites be differentiated in as many ways as possible.

  • gaelicgirl

    @bigez952 said...

    I would say that causal players should stick to pick em and the non salary cap games which are designed for the less skilled and casual players. DFS is supposed to be a game of skill so better more skilled players should win the most often. Or the casual players should take advantage of beginner games as if they only play a handful of times per month they would get to play in those for a very long time as on DK it goes by the number of contests played.

    I’m sure this is well-intentioned and not meant to be at all condescending, but I prefer to play against more skilled payers in order to learn how to make better LUs myself. I don’t think I’d improve as much playing against people who aren’t any better at this than I am.

  • bigez952

    @gaelicgirl said...

    I’m sure this is well-intentioned and not meant to be at all condescending, but I prefer to play against more skilled payers in order to learn how to make better LUs myself. I don’t think I’d improve as much playing against people who aren’t any better at this than I am.

    My comment for sure was not meant as an attack or to be condescending towards you. It is just my opinion that the Classic modes should be made the most difficult with more roster spots and flexibility so skill and knowledge in a particular sport can lead to wins. At the same time I know not everyone wants to dig deep info sports to gain the knowledge required to be successful at the classic mode but that is why the sites have offerings such as pick em or tiers as it is called now to cater to that market.

    I guess my main point to my comment is I would hate to see the flex spot removed just to make the game easier for casual fan to win. That is the reason why I quit Fanduel in the first place in that they make pricing so soft for MLB that you can just play the stars with ease and you never really have to dig deep into a slate to be successful. I am all having options for causal fans to play and be successful without having to spend time researching or digging into stats but at the same time DFS is supposed to be a game of skill so the classic mode should reward the highest skilled players the most often and be difficult for someone with little to no knowledge of the sport.

  • TnRiddles

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    This just gets worse and worse

  • dakimbell

    @TnRiddles said...

    I played both sites because they were unique to one another. Now , I have no real reasons to play FD.

    Pricing differences, scoring differerences? Not seeing how removing kicker moves the needle that much, its a net positive for me

  • TnRiddles

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    @dakimbell said...

    Pricing differences, scoring differerences? Not seeing how removing kicker moves the needle that much, its a net positive for me

    I liked having a site that stuck with the more traditional fantasy football roster construction. For me , its why I dont play FD MLB anymore either. I started in DFS playing FD MLB , but the more they try and copy everyone else , the more I move away.

  • gaelicgirl

    @bigez952 said...

    My comment for sure was not meant as an attack or to be condescending towards you. It is just my opinion that the Classic modes should be made the most difficult with more roster spots and flexibility so skill and knowledge in a particular sport can lead to wins. At the same time I know not everyone wants to dig deep info sports to gain the knowledge required to be successful at the classic mode but that is why the sites have offerings such as pick em or tiers as it is called now to cater to that market.

    I guess my main point to my comment is I would hate to see the flex spot removed just to make the game easier for casual fan to win. That is the reason why I quit Fanduel in the first place in that they make pricing so soft for MLB that you can just play the stars with ease and you never really have to dig deep into a slate to be successful. I am all having options for causal fans to play and be successful without having to spend time researching or digging into stats but at the same time DFS is supposed to be a game of skill so the classic mode should reward the highest skilled players the most often and be difficult for someone with little to no knowledge of the sport.

    Fair enough. I agree that skill and knowledge of a sport should be rewarded more than getting lucky.

  • flip4flop

    Well now I can play DK only. Thanks FD for making it easier. Didn’t like .5 ppr anyway but liked no flex.

  • KindGuy

    This doesn’t bother me since I didn’t play on FD anyways.

    But is FD EVER going to add the ability to download contest entries CSVs?

  • KindGuy

    FD shouldve kept the K but added the flex imo.

  • KindGuy

    @elementasrat said...

    FD shouldve kept the K but added the flex imo.

    Just like they should’ve kept the C but added the UTIL in MLB.

    So I guess the merger is still happening?

  • gaelicgirl

    @TnRiddles said...

    I liked having a site that stuck with the more traditional fantasy football roster construction. For me , its why I dont play FD MLB anymore either. I started in DFS playing FD MLB , but the more they try and copy everyone else , the more I move away.

    Yeah, my success rate at MLB took a big hit when they merged C with 1B and added that Utility spot. MLB already had enough of the luck element because of the variance inherent in baseball, that just seemed to magnify it.

  • manBEAST

    This could be good news for some smaller sites to differentiate now. I like picking a kicker, I understand arguments on both sides, just not sure if there is another sport that doesn’t count actual points put up on the scoreboard as some sort of fantasy points.

    Take the play out of the game! Now all the play is going to mean is negative points for D/ST if he makes it or some type of defensive points on a blocked return kind of lame. Not to mention removes the Kicker from scoring some type of crazy fake FG TD that goes down as a play of the year! Removes the game further from historic “Fantasy” football games such as paper football, electric football, tiger handheld games, more recent video games…

    The point is a scoring play should yield fantasy points no matter how big or small the contest is, just me sticking to my roots believing I can pick a better scoring kicker than you, rather than having the sites dictate to me that 1 TD > 5 FGs that my friends is not how the game of football works…lets play my 10 flexs vs. your 10 flexs, no thanks! I want the guy that can’t bench 225 to win me all the money one day.

    The only thing worse than this is the new helmet rules. Countdown to the season is ON!!!

  • jjwd

    RIP K/DEF stack… you were a true champ

  • clrockny24

    I kind of liked the kicker. I’m sure a lot of people thought it was a crapshoot picking one; but to me it leveled the playing field for a casual player like myself. If, for example, most kickers got 5-10 points, most of the rest of the field likely got the same scoring output. There’s occasions where a kicker goes off for 19-21 points, but for the most part, the scores for kickers weren’t that far apart.

    Basically, if your K had an average day and got 4 pts, you may not have been that far off from everyone else’s K scores. If your flex player gets 4 points and a lot your completion has flex guys that get 15+, that could make your lineup pretty bad.

    Either way, I will miss the K spot. It will be a little weird watching a kicker line up for a 45-yarder knowing it won’t mean anything for my fanduel team, but that’s ok

    I do think it would be an interesting idea if they incorporated kicker points into team defense/special teams.

  • Dunzor

    @gaelicgirl said...

    Yeah, my success rate at MLB took a big hit when they merged C with 1B and added that Utility spot. MLB already had enough of the luck element because of the variance inherent in baseball, that just seemed to magnify it.

    Yup this is my problem with changing the kicker to flex..it is less about the kicker portion of it going away, the problem is the addition of the flex because it makes it way more random and luck based since in large field gpps nearly every viable player will get played as a flex

  • whodat2

    @TnRiddles said...

    Like I said before this basically has nothing to do with the kicker. For me , its a continued trend of FD messing with a product that didnt need fixing. IMO , they ruined MLB and now NFL isnt as attractive to me anymore. I will simply just play at DK now. I am going to be in the minority with this opinion and I am ok with it

    You are not in the minority. I have played fantasy football since before the internet, when we would all meet at the golf course, and total up the stats using a USA Today paper. There has always been a kicker, and I feel that there are advantages to be had there. I’ll still play FD, because they use the exact scoring that my leagues have always used (.5ppr etc.)…. but this better be the last of the scoring/roster changes, or I’m out.

  • whodat2

    @jjwd said...

    RIP K/DEF stack… you were a true champ

    Exactly this!

  • whodat2

    @manBEAST said...

    This could be good news for some smaller sites to differentiate now. I like picking a kicker, I understand arguments on both sides, just not sure if there is another sport that doesn’t count actual points put up on the scoreboard as some sort of fantasy points.

    Take the play out of the game! Now all the play is going to mean is negative points for D/ST if he makes it or some type of defensive points on a blocked return kind of lame. Not to mention removes the Kicker from scoring some type of crazy fake FG TD that goes down as a play of the year! Removes the game further from historic “Fantasy” football games such as paper football, electric football, tiger handheld games, more recent video games…

    The point is a scoring play should yield fantasy points no matter how big or small the contest is, just me sticking to my roots believing I can pick a better scoring kicker than you, rather than having the sites dictate to me that 1 TD > 5 FGs that my friends is not how the game of football works…lets play my 10 flexs vs. your 10 flexs, no thanks! I want the guy that can’t bench 225 to win me all the money one day.

    The only thing worse than this is the new helmet rules. Countdown to the season is ON!!!

  • bigez952

    @whodat2 said...

    You are not in the minority. I have played fantasy football since before the internet, when we would all meet at the golf course, and total up the stats using a USA Today paper. There has always been a kicker, and I feel that there are advantages to be had there. I’ll still play FD, because they use the exact scoring that my leagues have always used (.5ppr etc.)…. but this better be the last of the scoring/roster changes, or I’m out.

    If your right and the majority of players won’t play Fanduel l without the kicker it should be back in a few weeks as contests won’t fill and they will lose money over it. I feel fairly confident that isn’t going to be the case and the real majority will either like this change or not care enough to quit playing.

  • superjon

    DK’s website is so dark and depressing. Can’t believe people actually play there.

  • TnRiddles

    • Blogger of the Month

    @bigez952 said...

    If your right and the majority of players won’t play Fanduel l without the kicker it should be back in a few weeks as contests won’t fill and they will lose money over it. I feel fairly confident that isn’t going to be the case and the real majority will either like this change or not care enough to quit playing.

    Come on. You know better than this. It’s NFL DFS. The contests will obviously fill. Also there are customers that will still just play FD only.

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