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  • LegiaWwa

    http://deadspin.com/fanduel-told-employees-not-to-win-too-much-money-on-dra-1743814536

  • srolleDFS

    this policy seems pretty dumb. it seems to be written by someone that has never been involved in a lawsuit before.

    at the same time, deadspin is just making shit up about the policy. its pretty silly to constantly be “rephrasing” a policy that is written in very plain, non-legalese english. the policy says exactly what it is saying. deadspin is just projecting terrible motives onto fanduel executives. its pretty obvious that if you are going to allow employees to play on the other sites, you dont want them dominating the volume and becoming a lighting rod for criticism. there’s nothing really new here.

  • Motovin

    Deadspin has been spearheading the negative perception against DFS, it’s a mistake to take them lightly.

  • Motovin

    And most of the damage that has been done to DFS already has been because of deadspin.

  • theoddsmaker

    the problem is here it’s just more fuel to add to the fire even though this is really a separate issue to the whole “should dfs be legal / or banned” but it’ll end up being a point in that debate now. if Universal pictures was up to something super shady would be just ban movies altogether or would they face the consequences themselves? feel like in the case of dfs if one party is guilty, they all are for some reason

  • srolleDFS

    @Motovin said...

    Deadspin has been spearheading the negative perception against DFS, it’s a mistake to take them lightly.

    i agree with you. i dont take them lightly. seems likely this will be more fodder for comedians on tv. keeping dfs in the news cycle for all the wrong reasons.

    for myself, and my personal opinion of fanduel, including whether i trust playing there, it doesnt change much.

  • ActionJunkie

    “Never be among the top ten overall on the RotoGrinders leaderboard.”

    Likely a huge reason why sites no longer feed results directly to Rotogrinders anymore. Kudos to Rotogrinders for still putting up so much effort now in having leaderboards in some capacity, BUT if DK/FD would actually do what they say and increase transparency then the feeds never would have stopped.

    We can only hope FD/DK wise up because they both obviously have great products we love.

  • Motovin

    @srolleDFS said...

    i agree with you. i dont take them lightly. seems likely this will be more fodder for comedians on tv. keeping dfs in the news cycle for all the wrong reasons.

    for myself, and my personal opinion of fanduel, including whether i trust playing there, it doesnt change much.

    I’m in agreement with you. I’ve been playing for about two years now. I’ve had enough success within this industry to trust it. But with that being said, people need to stop brushing off these stories like they’re nothing. I honestly believe deadspin single handedly has caused the most amount of damage within the public perception. From the start of the NFL season they have done nothing but bash the industry and tell people that its a scam.

  • theoddsmaker

    @ActionJunkie said...

    BUT if DK/FD would actually do what they say and increase transparency then the feeds never would have stopped.

    that as a point I had brought up last week is that it was DK/FD that stopped providing the feed which by the new rules to accommodate basically wipes out a site like FA that maybe has 3-4 contests a week that even fit the $10k criteria. I get that cont. to use the FA feed would be an unfair advantage for people even getting h2h results from there…but maybe that would be a “pro” as to a possible incentive to play on there more for those that are competitive about RG rankings? I don’t know just seems like it’d give a legit reason to play on the smaller sites while a decision made (hopefully not out of necessity due to email in OP) negatively effects the smaller sites by making their results feeds nearly useless with only a few a week meeting the criteria now

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    @theoddsmaker said...

    that as a point I had brought up last week is that it was DK/FD that stopped providing the feed which by the new rules to accommodate basically wipes out a site like FA that maybe has 3-4 contests a week that even fit the $10k criteria. I get that cont. to use the FA feed would be an unfair advantage for people even getting h2h results from there…but maybe that would be a “pro” as to a possible incentive to play on there more for those that are competitive about RG rankings? I don’t know just seems like it’d give a legit reason to play on the smaller sites while a decision made (hopefully not out of necessity due to email in OP) negatively effects the smaller sites by making their results feeds nearly useless with only a few a week meeting the criteria now

    To both Oddsmaker and ActionJunkie – FD and DK both support the rankings and plan to re-enable the feeds, so we’re still looking at the current system as a short term solution.

    Junkie, the feeds were not pulled because of transparency concerns with their employees playing. We’re long past that point – information is being sent directly to AG offices. They pulled the feeds because they have to look at themselves as regulated companies. They need to make sure they have the proper privacy policies in place around anything and everything they do going forward. It’s likely to be forced on them by the incoming regulations anyways.

  • ElSlappo

    Deadspin sure does seem to have a big axe to grind with dfs. Why are they so relentlessly negative?

  • dude_abides7

    @Motovin said...

    And most of the damage that has been done to DFS already has been because of deadspin.

    As supposed to the damage the sites have done to themselves?

    I agree that Deadspin seems slanted, but they aren’t the reason Rome is burning.

  • Redskins4

    @ElSlappo said...

    Deadspin sure does seem to have a big axe to grind with dfs. Why are they so relentlessly negative?

    To be fair the policy FanDuel had about employees playing on other sites was ridiculous…

    It’s like they foresaw this whole thing happening and did nothing constructive about it… baffling

  • rkabacinski

    WOW.

    So this looks, on its face, to be quite bad for Fan Duel.

    They poorly worded a ridiculous policy that no lawyer would ever let his clients put in writing. A policy explicitly to deceive consumers about the knowledge their employees had and their “secret” winnings. They broke things down into numbers and percentages of how much their employees could play in order to hide themselves from the public.

    Words like conspiracy and fraud come to mind. This will not play well at all with the public. And I can’t imagine it will go well in a courtroom.

  • tgowen

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    @Motovin said...

    And most of the damage that has been done to DFS already has been because of deadspin.

    Yea, that is not true at all.

  • Motovin

    @dude_abides7 said...

    As supposed to the damage the sites have done to themselves?

    I agree that Deadspin seems slanted, but they aren’t the reason Rome is burning.

    Yes but they are the ones amplifying the damage. Go read through the comments on all their DFS articles, there isn’t one single positive thing said.

    They also started their crusade against DFS well before the “scandal” broke out. So yeah, I believe they’ve done the most damage.

  • Motovin

    @tgowen said...

    Yea, that is not true at all.

    Maybe not but they’ve fast tracked it. Brush it off all you want but you can’t ignore the guy screaming at the top of his lungs in the corner of the room forever.

  • tgowen

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    @Motovin said...

    Maybe not but they’ve fast tracked it. Brush it off all you want but you can’t ignore the guy screaming at the top of his lungs in the corner of the room forever.

    It’s easy to fast track things when every media outlet is crushing DFS. Where were they 2+ years ago when I joined and people were already voicing concerns?

    If they were consistently covering it back then I will stand corrected, but something tells me they weren’t.

  • Putz

    @tgowen said...

    It’s easy to fast track things when every media outlet is crushing DFS. Where were they 2+ years ago when I joined and people were already voicing concerns?

    If they were consistently covering it back then I will stand corrected, but something tells me they weren’t.

    Where were the sites two years ago, not the media? If the sites had listened and corrected the issues, instead of catering to a certain group, much of this would be moot today.

  • tgowen

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    @Putz said...

    Where were the sites two years ago, not the media? If the sites had listened and corrected the issues, instead of catering to a certain group, much of this would be moot today.

    I agree, my comment was directed at the idea Deadspin is a primary reason these problems are being amplified.

    The sites screwed themselves plain and simple, and I don’t feel bad for them at all.

  • Motovin

    @tgowen said...

    It’s easy to fast track things when every media outlet is crushing DFS. Where were they 2+ years ago when I joined and people were already voicing concerns?

    If they were consistently covering it back then I will stand corrected, but something tells me they weren’t.

    I wasn’t saying that they were covering it that long. I said they starting to negatively criticize it once the NFL season. They have more ability to influence public perception than you may think. The fact that they were so negatively criticizing the industry before the incident happened only amplified their justification to attack the industry.

  • slcseas

    What an incredibly stupid thing to put into writing. Some of the choices they’ve made as a company are so amateur hour it’s just baffling.

  • ActionJunkie

    @Cal said...

    To both Oddsmaker and ActionJunkie – FD and DK both support the rankings and plan to re-enable the feeds, so we’re still looking at the current system as a short term solution.

    Junkie, the feeds were not pulled because of transparency concerns with their employees playing. We’re long past that point – information is being sent directly to AG offices. They pulled the feeds because they have to look at themselves as regulated companies. They need to make sure they have the proper privacy policies in place around anything and everything they do going forward. It’s likely to be forced on them by the incoming regulations anyways.

    Suspected the regulation played a big role but the timing, suddenness, and planning without feeds created a lot of doubt of real transparency.

    So thanks for clearing this up, Cal!

  • mrchuffy

    The policy document was posted in another thread a couple days ago, FD needs to bring in a CEO who knows how to run a business. At this point I have no faith in their management team, how can you put that in writing and actually call it a policy, it’s just unbelievable to me. Seeing this document just confirms that they completely ignored and decived the community, especially here at RG.

  • winsome

    All you can do is laugh really. These dudes had a company valued at 1B & instead of cashing out they thought they were smart enough to keep the charade going forever knowing full well the piles of remedial policies that would be obtained in discovery. I think we’re dreaming to hope DFS survives given what we still don’t know. Losing users are gonna start lining up to get back their “losses”.

  • madmanjayWV

    @Cal said...

    To both Oddsmaker and ActionJunkie – FD and DK both support the rankings and plan to re-enable the feeds, so we’re still looking at the current system as a short term solution.

    Junkie, the feeds were not pulled because of transparency concerns with their employees playing. We’re long past that point – information is being sent directly to AG offices. They pulled the feeds because they have to look at themselves as regulated companies. They need to make sure they have the proper privacy policies in place around anything and everything they do going forward. It’s likely to be forced on them by the incoming regulations anyways.

    someone who is smarter than me — here’s looking at U CAL

    please explain to me “they pulled the feeds b/c they have to look at themselves as regulated companies.”

    I RISK MY $$$ on THEIR GAME (FD/DK, etc.) — THE GAME IS FINAL, el fin, the end..FINISHED..how does a contest that I ENTERED, that is FINISHED, have anything to do with this? How can there be any privacy ISSUE on a contest that is already OVER WITH?

    One would think FD/DK believe THEY OWN THE RESULTS of the tournament, exclusively, that we the people who keep them in business are playing in.

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