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  • mambaland

    http://newjersey.news12.com/story/39108476/man-says-fanduel-sportsbook-wont-pay-out-large-bet

  • thedude404

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    LOL zero chance this guy gets paid. Zero.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    I just saw that too, it made ESPN’s front page.

    The FanDuel response is what you’ve expected from an online/off shore casino…it will be interesting to see what happens now that gambling is regulated and legal.
    Either way, having a lead headline that FanDuel isn’t paying out a bet has to be about the worst possible PR imaginable, especially with all of this in its infancy. I’d say I was surprised, but no lie, there’s been at least theee theads the last week where my TL:DR would have been, I hate FD because they don’t pay attention to details…so yeah…not so much…

  • Jvanspro

    This guy clearly knew it was a bad line. FanDuel doesn’t owe him what he’s requesting.

  • Yacht67

    taking advantage of lines that are errors, is a good way to get banned from a sportsbook.

  • stellagirl

    Interesting comment in the article: If he lost and demanded a refund would they have given him his money back?

    I am not a big sports book gambler but where is the tipping point where a casino can cry “mistake”, and where they have to pay? What’s to keep a casino from not paying out a big parlay because they claim the line on one game was slightly out of whack?

    Seems like a slippery slope.

  • Srmustangs

    Where is the oversight on this? How is a teller not trained to look out for these outlier type lines and situations. How does a manager not have to approve a bet with such liability? If this was a ticket placed with a teller where did he originally see the line? If a bet is placed it should fall on the book. If someone bets the wrong rotation number and says its a mistake just as game tips off would they be able to be refunded for such mistske? Too often these corporations want it both ways. They cant lose with the vig they charge but if they do lose they will ban or not pay. Cant wait for a betting xchange to come and knock out all the greedy money grabbers.

  • Dunzor

    @Yacht67 said...

    taking advantage of lines that are errors, is a good way to get banned from a sportsbook.

    whether or not he gets banned, I think he’s got a reasonable chance of getting paid, not because of the terms of service (which probably actually go FD’s way on this one) but because the optics are so bad for a fledgling sportsbook like FD (can you imagine the PR campaign DK could put on on that)

  • dolphinkick182

    @Yacht67 said...

    taking advantage of lines that are errors, is a good way to get banned from a sportsbook.

    Not paying out to a winner when you just started running a book is a good way to lose $$$$. I would place a bet that they pay this guy since he got in so early in their sports betting phase. 80 G’s is nothing to them compared to the bad PR. Just don’t try this 3 months from now lol.

  • jstevens2k11

    Every book that puts out bad lines cancels the bet and refunds what was placed….he should take the $500 & box seats

  • noddy

    No way he gets paid

  • Deltfish

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    It’s similar to a bank accidentally depositing someone else’s money into your account. You know it’s not yours and spend it anyway. They catch mistake and you are liable to go to jail for stealing.

    No, you don’t get to keep the free money. It’s not how it works. There’s a huge difference between giving you a +500 line when it’s supossed to be +300. But +75000 when it’s supossed to be -500?! Get real. Guy should have won $20 and should have been stoked with the $500 offer and tickets.

  • panters

    Then they kick this guy in the balls by offering free Giant’s tickets? Damn!

  • GodFatherMike

    @Yacht67 said...

    taking advantage of lines that are errors, is a good way to get banned from a sportsbook.

    Posting bad lines, taking the bets face to face and not paying isva good way to lose business. Every other book in the state was better before Fanduels repeated faceplants…. and they have more coming. This isn’t the only issue they have by a long shot. The gaming board has a lot to look at. If you choose to play there be smart about how much money you leave on the site.

    I still get cold sweats about Full Tilt.

  • hcassidy

    It’s not only this guy. If you read the entire article, there is a 2nd story about 2 guys who also made the same bet through the app, they hit for 56K. The money was deposited into their account, with taxes withheld and showed them winning. The next day when they logged into the account the money was removed from the account from FanDuel.

    http://newjersey.news12.com/story/39116601/2-more-bettors-claim-fanduel-wont-pay-out-on-sports-bets

  • mambaland

    the fact that the book expects you to know and be able to calculate what the odds should be is absurd …easier to say they are not responsible than to say people buying tickets should know the lines and be able to figure stuff. Books want dumb money and random people playing not just whales

  • gvn2fly1421

    @hcassidy said...

    It’s not only this guy. If you read the entire article, there is a 2nd story about 2 guys who also made the same bet through the app, they hit for 56K. The money was deposited into their account, with taxes withheld and showed them winning. The next day when they logged into the account the money was removed from the account from FanDuel.

    http://newjersey.news12.com/story/39116601/2-more-bettors-claim-fanduel-wont-pay-out-on-sports-bets

    Hmmm, two guys pooling their money together to make bets… Sounds familiar….

    Can someone explain why they are not responsible for this bet? I have never messed with sportsbooks or anything like that but the consensus in here is that FD will not be responsible. Why?

  • hcassidy

    @gvn2fly1421 said...

    Hmmm, two guys pooling their money together to make bets… Sounds familiar….

    Can someone explain why they are not responsible for this bet? I have never messed with sportsbooks or anything like that but the consensus in here is that FD will not be responsible. Why?

    This article, though not defending FD explains it pretty well.

    https://www.thelines.com/fanduel-sportsbook-unpaid-ticket/

  • bigez952

    @mambaland said...

    the fact that the book expects you to know and be able to calculate what the odds should be is absurd …easier to say they are not responsible than to say people buying tickets should know the lines and be able to figure stuff. Books want dumb money and random people playing not just whales

    No one expects the player to know what the odds are so they don’t bet “bad lines”. But there is a clause that if an error in the computer system happens it voids the bet so you won’t get paid out. It is no different than if something similar happened on a slot machine. Every single machine I have ever played in my life is posted with “machine malfunction voids all payouts”. Getting 750-1 odds to win when a team is lining up to kick a game winning FG is obviously a machine malfunction unless the former Vikings kicker Daniel Carlson is the one trying to make the kick since he would probably miss it.

  • bigez952

    @gvn2fly1421 said...

    Can someone explain why they are not responsible for this bet? I have never messed with sportsbooks or anything like that but the consensus in here is that FD will not be responsible. Why?

    There is a clause that if a computer malfunction produces a line in error it voids all bets placed on that line. Every sportsbook in the world has this clause and most times when they occur bets get voided and people move on with their life.

    The guy got 750-1 odds for the Broncos to win as they were lining up to kick a chip shot FG to win the game. It is a tough case to argue that the line was actually correct and not an error. The 750-1 odds was only available for a few seconds before corrected so he should have just taken the $500 and 3 NY Giants game tickets and been happy he didn’t only get the $18 he was actually owed for his winning bet.

  • gvn2fly1421

    Ahhh, so this bet came out as they were lining up to kick a field goal to win the game?!? Not when they were down 19-7 in the 2nd half or anything?

    That makes perfect sense why they wouldn’t pay out and I don’t blame them in this case.

    Edit to add… As someone pointed out above, if he missed the field goal, would FD refund all those bets? I’m not so sure about that.

  • johnnyjakes

    Food for thought – A few years ago prior to the 2014 World Cup, a bunch of friends and I put together around 1000.00 and bet on Belgium to win the World Cup on Bovada at 5000-1 Odds. We all knew that Belgium was a young, fast, talented team, and my friends all being EPL and Soccer nerds didn’t have any insider information but knew that Belgium had a real chance to win the thing. We kept growing more and more concerned that as the years went by, and the odds kept coming down, eventually, the odds came down to 12-1 for Belgium to win. Keep in mind, we placed this bet 2 years prior to the WC. Obviously, it was a moot point because Belgium didn’t win, but we always wonder if they would have actually paid us had Belgium won…

    FanDuel can afford to pay this guy on a error that was their own fault. In the overall grand scheme of things, it looks really bad if they don’t. Especially this early on, what has it been like, 2 weeks? Seems like they have some kinks to work out, but business won’t be boomin’ if they don’t make this right.

    If I go to Best Buy and purchase a TV, and the TV rings up as 1.00. They have to honor that. They can’t say, oh, must be an error, sorry. We all know that the odds were not appropriate for the situation, but you can make the argument that there are a lot of times when people bet 10-dollars on 12 game parlay and it hits, the casino can’t just decide “the odds must not have been right, we don’t have to pay you”. There are websites and Facebook-Groups dedicated to Glitch-Pricing, where members can find out information about products that are priced incorrectly advantageous to the consumer. The guy took advantage, whether in the “spirit of the game” or not, and acted accordingly. That’s not his fault, it’s the Casinos, and shame on them for not honoring it. Agree to disagree, but they need to pay the guy.

    Pay the guy, then ban him. That’s my take.

  • mambaland

    So the Westgate sports book just announced that all policies are check your ticket before you leave the window it stands as written and they would pay it out if it was then and they expect Fanduel will end up being forced to pay it out by the state

  • emnj69

    I side with the player on this. Fan Duel should not offer in line game odds if they cant get them correct. Each time you make a bet you have to wonder now if the line is correct. I have seen some crazy odds for in game lines when a team is winning big-now how the hell am I supposed to know what is legit and what is a system glitch. My answer is I wont bet. As a player or bettor we have all made mistakes put the wrong guy in, hit submit on a bet(all bets are final) after selecting the wrong thing. When a player makes an error or has a “glitch” in their system it is essentially tough cookies be more careful. Fanduel may have their own policy as far as events like this but NJ has the ultimate say not Fan Duel. I was thrilled when sportsbooks became legal in NJ and online for us NJ folks but stuff like this does not sit well with me. The reason folks like me were happy to get a legal book is because it would be regulated and you would be able to count on getting paid and this security allows for some to be willing to pay the higher vigs than some of the off shore sites.

  • emnj69

    I think FanDuel has a good product for daily and the sports book but this type of stuff is a deal breaker for me. Based on what I saw the guy placed the bet at the actual facility and had a ticket handed to him as well.

  • Pats7914

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    There is a procedure for books getting palpably unfair bets cancelled (and this probably qualifies), but in NJ the regs state the book can’t cancel unilaterally. They have to consult the NJ gaming division to get safe harbor to cancel the bet. If they didnt follow procedure, they’re going to have to pay out.

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