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  • MachoUno

    Shouldn’t 301 600 have been paid? Link I saw said top 600 got paid, 301 600 gets $200

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    I was going to post about this. I reached out to support as well as I had some entries eliminated yesterday. Yes, 301-600 should have been paid $200 per entry. I’m guessing this will get resolved but I have not heard back from support yet (sent the support ticket over 2 hours ago).

  • ramagosr

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    I did the same and they said they’d get back to me. Hoping it’s not on hold until the survivor finishes altogether, but I’m wondering that.

  • ramagosr

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    And on a related note, screw you Texas A&M double OT! :(

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    I just got a response that they agree that spots 301-600 should have been paid $200 each. They said they reached out to their Product Operations team regarding the error and it should be resolved later today.

    My thoughts are that for whatever reason when the contest was setup, it should of been setup for 301-600 to automatically receive cash and Top 300 to advance. Just an error when the contest was setup. That is how it always worked in the past. So for the next round 51-300 will be setup to get their typical payouts at conclusion of the contest and Top 50 will receive a ticket to the next round.

  • ramagosr

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    What I got:

    Hello,

    I’m just following up with you. I have been updated on the payouts for positions 301-600 of the Survive the Madness Tournament. They will be paid out this afternoon. There are two reasons for this:

    1. Because of the large amount of tied positions around the 300 mark, the system could not automatically disburse the award. Both the tickets to the next round and positions 301-600 were affected by those ties, so they will be awarded manually.

    2. Positions 301-600 can not be awarded until the tickets for the next round are awarded as well. Since the contest also needed to be created for the next round, this afternoon was the expected settlement time before the tie situation.

    If you have any other questions, please let me know! I will keep your Support Ticket on hold and I will follow up with you once I’ve been alerted that the awards have been disbursed.

    Thank you very much for your patience!

    Best Regards,
    Paul

    Thank you for playing!

  • cushicle

    Looks like the estela brothers took down about 20% of the entries into the top 300. Hopefully my single bullet can find its way into the top 50.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    Yeah, I was fortunate enough to to have 5 teams tied for 299th that advanced which resulted in the issues mentioned in Ramagosr’s post above. I also had 10 other teams that did not advance thanks to the likes of Bonzie Colson, Myles Davis, and Mo Alie-Cox. Good luck!

  • MachoUno

    I live in NY, I wonder how they will treat my ticket advancing to next week?

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @MachoUno said...

    I live in NY, I wonder how they will treat my ticket advancing to next week?

    My guess is that they would have to remove you from the contest and pay you the value of your ticket, which should be about $792 by my quick count.

    $300,000 total prizes and already paid out $59,200 (296 x $200). So remaining prize pool of $240,800 with 304 players remaining.

    Seems like the only thing they can do even if it will cost them a few bucks.

    EDIT TO ADD: Some people in the “NY” thread said they are letting tickets play out since you already entered the contest. So the above would obviously not apply.

  • cushicle

    News seems to indicate all FD tickets are being honored regardless of date. You should be able to play still. On DK they are paying out tickets.

  • kswetnam1342

    I got knocked out on Saturday. Where would 239 have placed yesterday (Sunday)?

  • Stewburtx8

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    @kswetnam1342 said...

    I got knocked out on Saturday. Where would 239 have placed yesterday (Sunday)?

    On Sunday, top 300 (and ties) out of 600 advanced. So 239 points would have easily advanced (211.8 was the cutoff) to the next round on this Thursday/Friday 8 game slate.

  • smadog

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    @kswetnam1342 said...

    I got knocked out on Saturday. Where would 239 have placed yesterday (Sunday)?

    Around 40th place

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/15038/contests/15038-23419829/entries/444763495/scoring

  • kswetnam1342

    Thanks guys. Had my worst night of the season on Saturday and didn’t win a dime. Came back strong on Sunday, but it sucks I didn’t have my Survivor contest anymore.

  • ramagosr

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    Saw the estela entries and realized I won’t play this Survive the Madness tourney again. It feels too hard to compete against that many multi entries playing the same lineup, since it essentially removes the max entries cap in this case. It’s just not what the tourney purports to be to the casual player. I had planned to put 10-15 entries in, but only threw one in for fun once I saw the situation. Was glad to make round 4, but when 60 of 300 cash spots are going to one lineup the optics are terrible. Nothing against them, as I don’t think they’re cheating or anything by sharing strategies and info (as some others do), but it does turn me off. Speaking as a rich fish (who wins low stakes but only plays higher for fun) in games of that size, I think the sites need to look at their entry limits in the context of identical lineups solely as a concern of future game health. Having ridden the online poker wave from Paradise to black Friday, I’d hate to see the ponds dry up as fast as they did with HUDs, scripting, datamining, etc. I think far too many people speaking or ranting on the subject are missing the point by attacking the players sharing lineups. The thing we should all be thinking about in these situations is the health of the game, BUT, we also have to realize that only the sites will make changes that can preserve that health. Professional players will always work to exploit every edge and nuance and I wouldn’t have it any other way, I’d just like to see the sites do a better job at balancing high volume guys needs and the well being of less serious players. Beginner’s tourneys and max entry limits at lower stakes are a good and needed start, but fish come at all levels. I feel like I have a fairly uncommon perspective as a former online poker pro who plays low stakes DFS profitably but also occasionally screws around with higher stakes as a fish with no bankroll limit due to my career. If I felt completely turned off, I would guess other amateurs in my situation might too. Just my 2 cents.

  • Stewburtx8

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    @ramagosr said...

    Saw the estela entries and realized I won’t play this Survive the Madness tourney again. It feels too hard to compete against that many multi entries playing the same lineup, since it essentially removes the max entries cap in this case. It’s just not what the tourney purports to be to the casual player. I had planned to put 10-15 entries in, but only threw one in for fun once I saw the situation. Was glad to make round 4, but when 60 of 300 cash spots are going to one lineup the optics are terrible. Nothing against them, as I don’t think they’re cheating or anything by sharing strategies and info (as some others do), but it does turn me off. Speaking as a rich fish (who wins low stakes but only plays higher for fun) in games of that size, I think the sites need to look at their entry limits in the context of identical lineups solely as a concern of future game health. Having ridden the online poker wave from Paradise to black Friday, I’d hate to see the ponds dry up as fast as they did with HUDs, scripting, datamining, etc. I think far too many people speaking or ranting on the subject are missing the point by attacking the players sharing lineups. The thing we should all be thinking about in these situations is the health of the game, BUT, we also have to realize that only the sites will make changes that can preserve that health. Professional players will always work to exploit every edge and nuance and I wouldn’t have it any other way, I’d just like to see the sites do a better job at balancing high volume guys needs and the well being of less serious players. Beginner’s tourneys and max entry limits at lower stakes are a good and needed start, but fish come at all levels. I feel like I have a fairly uncommon perspective as a former online poker pro who plays low stakes DFS profitably but also occasionally screws around with higher stakes as a fish with no bankroll limit due to my career. If I felt completely turned off, I would guess other amateurs in my situation might too. Just my 2 cents.

    I think it’s a tough balance because the Survive the Madness did not fill. I think it started with 3013 entries, so the contest was almost rake free. Without large multi-entry, this contest wouldn’t have been near as large. Heck, without paying out 8-10 seats per night for the last few weeks in satellites, I doubt the contest would have been as large. I had 20 entries total and 15 were through satellites.

    Obviously in survivor contests huge trains can be frustrating when they pass you, but also remember if you beat them, you move up that many more spots. It also looks like the Estelas did play some different lineups on Sunday. MRestela had a 20 team train and 13 team train using different lineups. Cdestela had a 29 team train that was different from his “brother.” So they all advanced.

    But a very good player like zachj7 had a 18 team train and 3 team train that did not advance. Eforsty had almost 20 lineups not advance that were very correlated (he had a few advance). theWildBuffalo had over 10 similar teams not advance. Varncass had a 13 team train not advance. Cubsfan333 had a 9 team train and 7 team train not advance (he also had a few advance). They are all very good CBB players that had a lot of teams not advance past Sunday. I was lucky to have 5 teams advance but I had 10 teams that did NOT advance. So the Estelas dominated the contest on Sunday but there were still a lot of 1-2 entry players that are still alive because A LOT of trains did not make the cut. So you have to look at it both ways.

    I do agree and have said it before that the Estelas should not be allowed to both enter single entry contests with the same lineup. I also did not like that they could essentially double the max entries in all the March Mania Qualifiers on Draftkings. There were 15-20 person Qualifiers where they had 20-40% of the entries between them.

  • Dpert002

    i do wish we could have large tournaments with a lower multi entry limit, but whatever it is what it is. I was able to win one entry into this and I’m still alive. I know I have to nail my picks for Thursday and Friday to move on but we will see…. Good luck everyone.

  • ramagosr

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    These are really good points, and I appreciate your insight tremendously. I guess I’ve never had a problem with trains in general, but seeing “different” estela players run nearly identical trains (they had one value player different when I checked) makes it seem like they can go above the entry limit across the board. I’m referencing not only the Survive but also the Q’s that you are and the single entry tourneys I see them play. I also recognize that being able to run trains doesn’t inherently give anyone some great advantage unless their lineups are superior, but if the limits on entries are weakened further by allowing guys to clearly run nearly identical lineups in trains, it looks awful to a more casual player. It also seems like it would change the attractiveness of a tourney in general to amateurs. If I think there are 20 high level CBB players running 20 lineup trains in a survivor, that’s 400 professional lineups I’m expecting to face when I pay my entry to a 10,000. If, however, the sites allow another 100 people to run lineups that are identical or nearly identical to those 20 pro lineups, I’m actually facing 2400 professional lineups. I now expect to be a much bigger dog or smaller favorite in the tourney overall. And that’s the point that I think doesn’t get enough focus. Total dead money will not last, and those players will play no matter what. I believe that a vibrant DFS economy thrives on the players who are small winners or small losers feeling like it’s worth it to enter these kinds of tourneys, fully understanding they will be a dog to the top level players but expecting to be able to beat out the other amateurs. Image is everything, and I just think the image of running through a standings page with multiple different people with dozens of the same lineup is poisonous to the game. I’ve tried to explain to players more casual than myself that CSUram having 500 entries in the NFL milly maker does not make his job easy (covering all the squares) and that multi entry guys are an inherent requirement to creating prize pools that attract fish. That alone is a Herculean challenge, but I would be hard pressed to explain a 20 man Q with 40% of the lineups owned by the same team.

  • ramagosr

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    Good luck, buddy. I have 2 blue chips tickets I won in satellites I hope I can pull through. Also interested to see if I’m facing 50 Estela lineups in a 555 man tourney paying 125 spots!

  • Stewburtx8

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    @ramagosr said...

    Good luck, buddy. I have 2 blue chips tickets I won in satellites I hope I can pull through. Also interested to see if I’m facing 50 Estela lineups in a 555 man tourney paying 125 spots!

    I wouldn’t be surprised if you are. They both made a killing between the March Mania and the Thunderdome this past weekend. Cdestela in Final Four of March Mania (Mrestela lost in Final 8) and MRestela took down the $5300 buyin Thunderdome.

    I bought 2 entries and may end up with 3 at most. A 4 game set is certainly not ideal and I expect a ton of overlap with such tight pricing. I am VERY happy the Survive the Madness is using a Thursday/Friday 8 game slate, even if it is a drastic cut from 304 entries to 50. Good luck to you as well!

  • Dpert002

    The pricing is crazy tight on fanduel! It is going to be interesting to see how people play it. I can’t figure out how I want to play it!

  • timski83

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    I think it’s a tough balance because the Survive the Madness did not fill. I think it started with 3013 entries, so the contest was almost rake free. Without large multi-entry, this contest wouldn’t have been near as large. Heck, without paying out 8-10 seats per night for the last few weeks in satellites, I doubt the contest would have been as large. I had 20 entries total and 15 were through satellites.

    Obviously in survivor contests huge trains can be frustrating when they pass you, but also remember if you beat them, you move up that many more spots. It also looks like the Estelas did play some different lineups on Sunday. MRestela had a 20 team train and 13 team train using different lineups. Cdestela had a 29 team train that was different from his “brother.” So they all advanced.

    But a very good player like zachj7 had a 18 team train and 3 team train that did not advance. Eforsty had almost 20 lineups not advance that were very correlated (he had a few advance). theWildBuffalo had over 10 similar teams not advance. Varncass had a 13 team train not advance. Cubsfan333 had a 9 team train and 7 team train not advance (he also had a few advance). They are all very good CBB players that had a lot of teams not advance past Sunday. I was lucky to have 5 teams advance but I had 10 teams that did NOT advance. So the Estelas dominated the contest on Sunday but there were still a lot of 1-2 entry players that are still alive because A LOT of trains did not make the cut. So you have to look at it both ways.

    I do agree and have said it before that the Estelas should not be allowed to both enter single entry contests with the same lineup. I also did not like that they could essentially double the max entries in all the March Mania Qualifiers on Draftkings. There were 15-20 person Qualifiers where they had 20-40% of the entries between them.

    “Without large multi-entry, this contest wouldn’t have been near as large.” I want to agree with that statement. My believe though is if you limit the entries to say 10 on survivor more people sign up. As for me I had planned on buying a few extra since I won a nice gpp recently. When I first received the entry I did win I took the time to scroll through and see how many entries players had won. I noticed some of course with over 20-30 entries that they had won. That alone made me very hesitant to purchase another entry. The following day or maybe the day after that I noticed maxdalury bought 51 or 52 entries and I said to myself, “ No way am I throwing more money into this contest”
    In any typical survival format one would assume the word, “single entry” would be fitting for a survivor contest. Hence the word, Survive.” This is my first year hear and I will not ever play another survivor contest unless it is single entry. “Survivor” is not the word that should be used for that contest. Its more like, “surviving of the sharks vs. the common player.”

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @timski83 said...

    “Without large multi-entry, this contest wouldn’t have been near as large.” I want to agree with that statement. My believe though is if you limit the entries to say 10 on survivor more people sign up. As for me I had planned on buying a few extra since I won a nice gpp recently. When I first received the entry I did win I took the time to scroll through and see how many entries players had won. I noticed some of course with over 20-30 entries that they had won. That alone made me very hesitant to purchase another entry. The following day or maybe the day after that I noticed maxdalury bought 51 or 52 entries and I said to myself, “ No way am I throwing more money into this contest”
    In any typical survival format one would assume the word, “single entry” would be fitting for a survivor contest. Hence the word, Survive.” This is my first year hear and I will not ever play another survivor contest unless it is single entry. “Survivor” is not the word that should be used for that contest. Its more like, “surviving of the sharks vs. the common player.”

    You actually should be really happy to see MaxDalury with a lot of entries in a CBB contest. He hasn’t played CBB all season. Not sure when he got knocked out but I do not believe he has any entries remaining. I didn’t really even notice he entered.

    Everyone has their opinion. I personally do not see a huge issue with multiple entries in a survivor contest. I’m a little more risk averse so even though I had 20 entries, I continuously broke them up into 4 groups of 5. I am mostly a GPP player so this contest is something I wait all season for. But if someone wants to play 20 or more of the same lineup, that is very risky. One bad day and they are out. Even the best players have many bad days. A common (your word) or amateur player just has to beat 1 person to move up 20 spots.

    Now I do think it would be great if they could limit it to 10 per person (or less) but then this would have likely been a $100k Survive the Madness. CBB just doesn’t have that large of a pool of players. If it was single entry it would probably be $20k Survive the Madness. I would rather have the larger prize pools. But to each his own. Just my opinion.

  • timski83

    Yea. Thx for the reply. The same line-up angle seems so risky to me, especially when you consider the odds of just winning a gpp. I agree the pool may not be $100K, So, FD would be taking a risk by limiting entries, but the question does remain in my opinion that more people would be attracted to a lower limit if FD tried it. Another idea of course could be a $25- 50 single entry which attracts over 5,000 players, but then it goes back to your statement that there just is not that many loyal cbb fans to pull it off. NY being out now sure will not help volume either.

  • cushicle

    I generally only play $1 or $2 lineups, and almost never play qualifiers since it means even more rake for the sites and is such a long shot to win a spot, but i managed to get 2 entries in on $2 1/57 qualifiers (both in the NBA). I am for sure a smalI fish, and have never spent $100 on an entry fee, but especially in a survivor I don’t have much fear of the sharks. The problem is now with the Estelas having a ton of entries and only 50 making the next round there is going to be a lot lower incentive for large trains, so there should be a much higher percentage of unique lineups to contend with this go around.

    That being said, with a Thursday Friday slate I think I’m going to backloading my lineup primarily for Friday night. At least then I can sweat the whole time and the UNC/IU game should be DFS gold.

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