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  • scsa1998

    Fanduel has announced starting next week we will get the EPL on Fanduel.

    http://www.legalsportsreport.com/11847/fanduel-adds-english-premier-league-soccer-daily-fantasy-sports-offerings/

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    Can someone post the scoring system on here please. I haven’t played on Fanduel since College Basketball (RIP) ended. A decent soccer product would make me consider going back, but for $10k, probably not worth it.

  • tsteeves

  • KindGuy

    Wow this is so freaking different. Definitely going to take some time to get used to. I was wondering why the hell Tom Heaton of Burnley was the highest priced GK but now it makes sense with the scoring changes. Damn, this is so foreign to me.

  • Unico10

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    “Chances created”… another arbitrary category

  • Jstack157

    @Unico10 said...

    “Chances created”… another arbitrary category

    Chance created just means a pass that leads to a shot on goal, so its not as arbitrary as it sounds

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    Yeah, I likely won’t be playing with that scoring. Too many scoring categories that seem way to random. Firmino (3 goals, 1 assist on the season) has the highest scoring average while someone like Andros Townsend has the 31st highest scoring average.

    Compared to DraftKings Townsend is 6th while Firmino is 16th.

    I do not like how highly valued an arbitrary stat like “chances created” is. Basically if you make a pass that leads to a shot, you get 3 points, regardless of whether that shot is from 30 yards out, misses the target by a mile, or is on target.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @Jstack157 said...

    Chance created just means a pass that leads to a shot on goal, so its not as arbitrary as it sounds

    I do not believe it has to be a shot on goal from my understanding. Just any shot…..that is the problem in my opinion.

    For example, just looking at the top 3 from Liverpool against West Brom. Coutinho has 4 chances created, Firmino had 4 chances created, and Mane had 3 chances created. They only had 7 shots on goal (2 of them resulting in goals).

  • punisheresz

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    I actually like fanduel scoring much better than draftkings
    I think chances created are far more accurate than a random cross that leads to nothing..
    Draftkings scoring is basically guessing the goal scorers with some consideration to set pieces takers
    Fanduel scoring is a lot more balanced you have to look a guys you will never look at on draftkings

  • Jstack157

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    I do not believe it has to be a shot on goal from my understanding. Just any shot…..that is the problem in my opinion.

    You’re correct, I apologize. I looked into it and different places define it differently but it appears that Fanduel’s stat provider is using the any shot version.

    Figuring out projected scoring and lineup construction is going to be a major headache this week.

  • SelfCharmer

    As a UK player, i can tell you that DFS is not popular at all over here. I have many friends all into soccer, all play season long fantasy, all place sports bets pretty much every weekend, I am the only one who plays DFS

    When they can legally place any sports bet, the competition for DFS providers is extremely hard to overcome.

    Having said that, having played with 6/8/11 man rosters, I will be really disappointing if DK ever go back to 11 man. 8 man is perfect IMO. I get that 11 man mimics the actual sport, but with the scoring as is, there is no way anyone would play any holding midfielders or CBs, so may as well just have 8 man…

    Also, FD having separate player pools makes no sense (unless they are planning to merge with a UK betting sportsbook). The way to attract casual players is to have

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @punisheresz said...

    I actually like fanduel scoring much better than draftkings
    I think chances created are far more accurate than a random cross that leads to nothing..
    Draftkings scoring is basically guessing the goal scorers with some consideration to set pieces takers
    Fanduel scoring is a lot more balanced you have to look a guys you will never look at on draftkings

    I think crosses are MUCH more predictable than chances created.

    To me, you did not “create” a chance just by making a short pass to a guy that has a go at goal from 30 yards and misses the target by 10 feet. On Fanduel, that is worth 3 points. 1/5th the points of a goal.

    At least a cross is only worth 0.75 points on DraftKings. Less than 1/13th of a goal.

    I’ll also never like any scoring system that gives you points just for knocking the ball around the back line. Just my opinion. To each their own.

  • punisheresz

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    @Stewburtx8 said...

    I think crosses are MUCH more predictable than chances created.

    To me, you did not “create” a chance just by making a short pass to a guy that has a go at goal from 30 yards and misses the target by 10 feet. On Fanduel, that is worth 3 points. 1/5th the points of a goal.

    At least a cross is only worth 0.75 points on DraftKings. Less than 1/13th of a goal.

    I’ll also never like any scoring system that gives you points just for knocking the ball around the back line. Just my opinion. To each their own.

    I think for a pass to be considered as chance created it has to be inside the 18y box the shot has to be from inside the penalty area if im not mistaking

  • old_T

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    @Stewburtx8 said...

    Yeah, I likely won’t be playing with that scoring. Too many scoring categories that seem way to random. Firmino (3 goals, 1 assist on the season) has the highest scoring average while someone like Andros Townsend has the 31st highest scoring average.

    Compared to DraftKings Townsend is 6th while Firmino is 16th.

    But Firmino is a far more talented player than Townsend playing in a far better offense. These are two of the main factors to consider when choosing any player in any sport. Don’t these results make complete sense considering that? Even though Townsend plays all these crosses in, he creates almost nothing for his teammates. Then take a look at his where his shots come from – literally almost never from dangerous areas. This is why he has such a nice floor on DK, but has 1 goal 0 assists – he has volume with no efficiency. Firmino creates tons of chances for his teammates in addition to shooting himself from dangerous areas. Aren’t people on these forums always asking for the act of scoring itself to count more, relatively? Seems like that’s what’s happening here with Firmino vs Townsend.

  • old_T

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    @Stewburtx8 said...

    I do not like how highly valued an arbitrary stat like “chances created” is. Basically if you make a pass that leads to a shot, you get 3 points, regardless of whether that shot is from 30 yards out, misses the target by a mile, or is on target.

    This logic can be applied to literally every stat. Shots, crosses, shots on goal, tackles – in every case these actions are far more important IRL depending on where they occur on the field. Chances created is an essential statistic to evaluating offensive player performance IRL and it translates nicely for fantasy purposes as well. Hmm I wonder why Ozil and Payet always have the most chances created…

  • KindGuy

    @old_T said...

    But Firmino is a far more talented player than Townsend playing in a far better offense. These are two of the main factors to consider when choosing any player in any sport. Don’t these results make complete sense considering that? Even though Townsend plays all these crosses in, he creates almost nothing for his teammates. Then take a look at his where his shots come from – literally almost never from dangerous areas. This is why he has such a nice floor on DK, but has 1 goal 0 assists – he has volume with no efficiency. Firmino creates tons of chances for his teammates in addition to shooting himself from dangerous areas. Aren’t people on these forums always asking for the act of scoring itself to count more, relatively? Seems like that’s what’s happening here with Firmino vs Townsend.

    This was actually a very persuasive argument. Well done. Fantasy sports should be about the best players putting up the highest fantasy totals. It’s frustrating seeing Ozil not score much on DK this season even when Arsenal performs well. He definitely does a lot of things that don’t show up on the stat sheet according to DKs scoring. I might have to give FD a try now…

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @old_T said...

    But Firmino is a far more talented player than Townsend playing in a far better offense. These are two of the main factors to consider when choosing any player in any sport. Don’t these results make complete sense considering that? Even though Townsend plays all these crosses in, he creates almost nothing for his teammates. Then take a look at his where his shots come from – literally almost never from dangerous areas. This is why he has such a nice floor on DK, but has 1 goal 0 assists – he has volume with no efficiency. Firmino creates tons of chances for his teammates in addition to shooting himself from dangerous areas. Aren’t people on these forums always asking for the act of scoring itself to count more, relatively? Seems like that’s what’s happening here with Firmino vs Townsend.

    It’s a good argument. I guess I’ve just grown so accustomed to the way DraftKings scoring works (and how to be successful using that scoring) that it is tough to fathom a scoring system that completely flips it upside down. But if Fanduel starts having some decent size GPP’s, I’m sure I will adapt.

    I’m not sure if I think as highly of Firmino as you do (at least as strictly an attacking player), as I think what makes him such a key for Liverpool is his versatility. He is maybe one of the best defensive forwards out there and great at pressing the opposing team. Fits nicely around the likes of Coutinho, Mane, and Lallana. I just never pick him in DFS.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @old_T said...

    This logic can be applied to literally every stat. Shots, crosses, shots on goal, tackles – in every case these actions are far more important IRL depending on where they occur on the field. Chances created is an essential statistic to evaluating offensive player performance IRL and it translates nicely for fantasy purposes as well. Hmm I wonder why Ozil and Payet always have the most chances created…

    I guess my bigger complaint is the weight put on “chances created.” But admittedly I have not seen the statistic in action, so maybe it is easier to follow live than I am anticipating.

  • SelfCharmer

    Yeah, I think the problem is that it counts for so much. If you just have to play the last pass to an attacker that shoots from anywhere and doesn’t have to hit the target to get a “chance created”, it should not count for almost 50% of the points for an Assist.

  • Barbarian

    yeah 3 pts for chances created as defined looks unreasonably high… also is it weird to get points for a “chance created” and get nothing for the actual shot (not on goal)?!

  • old_T

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    True I guess the weight of Chances Created seems high even though it is a good stat.

  • gcowboy5886

    I do like that the scoring system brings holding mids and central defenders in to play more. If you play on multiple sites too, it allows your exposure to certain players not be huge, so if they get subbed 60 minutes in it doesn’t kill everything across all sites.

    I do hope fanduel figures out quickly a $20k gpp will fill each week.

  • punisheresz

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    I wander if fanduel willadd a late swap feature like they did in the uk we can have sunday matches Also champions league.
    I think for a start it’s looking good contests are filling up quickly scoring system is balanced.

  • RangerC

    Well, learned my lesson… just load up on saves when picking a GK (had multiple Gun/Aguero stacks, won’t win because I had De Gea instead of Heaton) – 10 pt CS is meaningless relative to the 30 pt upside a massive save game can have.

  • bstreich9

    Heaton having that many saves is insane. I haven’t seen a goalie have that many saves my entire time playing Soccer DFS, granted I havent played much but..

  • sutogame

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    Fan duel much better scoring then dk. Love it and I definitely don’t miss the crosses scoring

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