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  • pburghpens22

    So am I the only one frustrated by Fanduel’s lack of low dollar multi enter tournaments (excluding the 3 entry max Sac Fly)?? Tonight the Squeeze is $6, that’s the lowest dollar amount for a true multi enter tournament!! I like to play maybe about $20-40 a night in tournaments and would rather have 10 $2 entries then 3 $6entries….especially for baseball, where I feel there is more variance. I know they haven’t had the $2 tournaments for awhile, but at least last year they had the Sac Fly tournament at 50 entries max. I mean c’mon, at least have a 30-50k $3 tournament available! Fanduel “says” they make their choices based on customer feedback….well let’s get some feedback to them to bring back multi entry $1-2tournaments !!!

  • zachj

    Look at their big gpp’s tonight
    $300k at $6 an entry
    $80k at $8 an entry
    $200k at $55 an entry
    Why have two buy ins so close together and then the next big one jumps all the way up to $55? Kind of ridiculous if you ask me

  • makeitra1n

    Join the club.my advice contact support.won’t do anything but still.it’s been complete trash since they made the 1 dollars 3 entry max.on purpose of course so you’re forced to play the higher buy ins.I absolutely love that the mini 1 dollars are 8 entry max lmao

  • pburghpens22

    I always contact support, not that it’ll ever help! I think it’s some BS what they’ve been doing.

  • Lathum

    They should always have a $3 buy in multi entry

  • madmanjayWV

    @Lathum said...

    They should always have a $3 buy in multi entry

    NOT ONLY THAT

    I mean, the 3 Max Entry $1 SAC FLY would be perfectly FINE — is OK — just keep that —

    But for the love of the ALMIGHTY (POT BOYS) — aka Fanduel’s Product Operations Team — Y can we not get a 100,000+ man 150 MAX ENTRY or 50-75 max entry $1 DAILY SAC FLY (M-E)……..especially on huge slates….

    Give the guy who likes to play $10-$20 worth of M-Es a chance to fire a few more bullets..it’s not like the dang thing ain’t gonna fill.

    However, this has been the way FD seems to operate and they are content with it, so I guess we’re lucky to have whatever it is the POT comes up with on a daily basis. I’‘m not happy about it, haven’t been happy about it, but there’s nothing which can be done and I’m not sending support tickets.

  • Phinsfan83

    Feel the same may just go over to DK where I play 0.25 Arcade and $1-2 GPPs all day.

  • Rachelynn51912

    Agree 100%… open the 3 max up and add a multi entry $1 with 50k people….

    The 3 max fills up 5 hours before lock!…stupid

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    I play low stakes, tend to make only a single lineup and even I would tend to support this…
    I understand, and support the idea of limiting max entries in these fields, but 3 seems like an extreme correction in the opposite direction, and just seems stupid, especially when you offer the single entry already. Single and three entry is virtually the same thing…
    There’s obviously a middle ground they could, SHOULD, operate in. I wouldn’t mind seeing something like 20 that allows multi-entry, larger field/prize, but also doesn’t seem like an over-whelming amount of lu’s per single user…I’d probably be good with anything up to 50.

    Virtually everything these sites do is baffling to me, I’m really not surprised by anything anymore… when talking about GD GPP structure I could go on an entire separate rant regarding payout structure and how awful that’s gotten…

  • bbqnut

    On a related note, I rarely play gpps on FD, because the winning % is often under 20%. Just brutal imo.

  • Olhausen

    Both sites have raised all prices on Gpp’s that offer significant prizes. It really sucks for players like myself who only put 10-20$ in play a night. On DK I never play higher then the solo shot now because they took away the 3$ moonshot. And the same with fan duel which limits me to 4 lineup’s at 1$ since they have a 3 and 1 limit max entries in those contests. Seems more and more like they are catering to the high rollers.

  • jjwd

    In my opinion both sites have calculated that the mid-level player is not too important… they cater to the large bankrolls who pay the rake, and they cater to the new players who think multi-entry is unfair. Heck even some RG hosts (Brit) are under the mistaken impression that multi entry allows you to “cover all the bases”. These people want low max entry and good prizes. Not going to happen. The sites are underestimating the popularity of large cheap tournaments… a dumb move, tone deaf as usual.

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    Just hypothesizing, but I think where it hurts most is bringing in and maintaining newer/casual players…which should be one of, if not the most important goal for these sites.

    Those players are attracted to the larger prize polls. It’s like the lotto – most people don’t pay attention until it reaches some arbitrary number where the general public is running to the store and is buying tickets. In my estimation, and from what I’ve seen, DFS is no different…the casual player is more likely to see a $9k total prize pool and think it’s not worth it, but you make it 50-100k I bet more decide to give it a shot and throw a few bucks in.

    Which brings us to the current situation, where I’d argue they are screwing themselves ( and the long term health of the industry) over…I’m sure they’d argue that they have made the change to appeal to the curent player base – which is more informed and dedicated…but I’d argue the current player base has dwindled into a more niche group primarily because of the changes.

    It’s going to be an interesting year or so…as neither site has fully been able to rebound from the negative public narrative that was created.

  • makeitra1n

    @jjwd said...

    In my opinion both sites have calculated that the mid-level player is not too important… they cater to the large bankrolls who pay the rake, and they cater to the new players who think multi-entry is unfair. Heck even some RG hosts (Brit) are under the mistaken impression that multi entry allows you to “cover all the bases”. These people want low max entry and good prizes. Not going to happen. The sites are underestimating the popularity of large cheap tournaments… a dumb move, tone deaf as usual.

    The most baffling thing to me is I’m under the impression the sites think the low buy ins significantly hinder their bottom line or other low buy ins.like if they make the 1 dollar 150 max then no one would play the 3 dollar.

    I’m flabbergasted by that cause not this NBA season that just past,but the previous one…they had both a 150 max 1 dollar on fd with 114k entries AND a 150 max 3 dollar with 140k entries AND THEY BOTH CONSISTENTLY FILLED.

  • jimmyrad

    Let’s be real, They could easily run regular small stakes GPP’s that don’t suck, something like:

    $1 $10K
    $2 $20K
    $3 $50K+
    $5 $50K+

    EVERY DAY and still sell just as many $8, $11, $12, $25, $33, $44 seats as they do now. Some of them might not even need the new GOD AWFUL 20% to first top heavy payouts (which is another topic for another thread, but c’mon, these are terrible, and FD is running more and more games like this. I really didn’t think I’d be switching most of my play over to DK, the inventor of the idiotic milly maker payout structure, because their payouts are more reasonable across the board, but here we are).

  • KindGuy

    And people say the merger will be good for the industry… lmao

  • jjwd

    Would be great if Dan or Cal could address this topic with FD or DK reps next time they get the chance. A lot of negative feelings arise here because the sites do not communicate their strategy with the player base. If they came out and made a strong case that current sizing leads to better player retention…etc, then some of us would cut them more slack. But the current perception is that they’re either experimenting weirdly, or just don’t care. The merger could be good for the industry if the new mega site gives us tons of choices.

  • deejones49

    I quit playing because the Sac Fly 3 entry max. I would play a $100 a night if they put it back the way it was.

  • pburghpens22

    Today I’m officially done playing their multi enter tournaments $4 n up…. ill take my business elsewhere and hopefully alot of people follow suit

  • Roma315

    I’ve contacted support all season about this. I miss the $1,$3,$5,$25 days. Today they have the $222 duces wild. Why not make a $2 and $22 one as well. The lack of large tournaments has been sad. They first week they had $5/$500k.

  • kb32dawgs

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    Just hypothesizing, but I think where it hurts most is bringing in and maintaining newer/casual players…which should be one of, if not the most important goal for these sites.

    Those players are attracted to the larger prize polls. It’s like the lotto – most people don’t pay attention until it reaches some arbitrary number where the general public is running to the store and is buying tickets. In my estimation, and from what I’ve seen, DFS is no different…the casual player is more likely to see a $9k total prize pool and think it’s not worth it, but you make it 50-100k I bet more decide to give it a shot and throw a few bucks in.

    Which brings us to the current situation, where I’d argue they are screwing themselves ( and the long term health of the industry) over…I’m sure they’d argue that they have made the change to appeal to the curent player base – which is more informed and dedicated…but I’d argue the current player base has dwindled into a more niche group primarily because of the changes.

    It’s going to be an interesting year or so…as neither site has fully been able to rebound from the negative public narrative that was created.

    I don’t really think the sites care about new or casual users anymore. As long as they have a few hundred players that max enter everything, that takes care of their rake. Both sites have absolutely done a shit job at running a successful business model for the long term and maybe they don’t care.

  • CUTiger81

    Totally agree with a lot of what’s said in here. It’s complete and utter bullshit to try and claim that you care about making the game fun for the casual player when it just isn’t true. The Sac Fly is completely worthless, you’re better off buying into FD’s $1 100-man leagues. The days where the $6 squeeze is the lowest $$ large field GPP that they have with these new “rally’s” with a buy in that ranges from $11-18 most days and then a $44 squeeze is just pathetic. Here’s what I think they should offer on a daily basis and why:

    $1 sac fly (10 entry max) $25-30k prize pool; this offers your new players and/or younger players a place to play if they don’t have the funds to spend $20+ a night but still gives them a chance to chase that large payout each day

    $3-4 squeeze (20 entry max) $100k prize pool; squeeze should always be a $3-4 contest outside of rare occasions; perfect spot for the people who want to play $15-50 a night and has a big top end payout

    $7-10 rally (20 entry max) $100k prize pool; allows players like me to get into some small tournaments with huge prizes but who can’t afford or don’t want to consistently play $100+ in GPPs a night

    $25-33 slam (20 entry max) $100k prize pool

    These would all fill every single night and you could still do the $300 monster, $1k, etc…which would all fill.

  • DannyTanner

    It’s crazy to me how badly FD has destroyed their baseball product; which, in my opinion, was the best offering in DFS before they blew it all up with the scoring changes prior to the 2016 season. Almost like they’re trying to purposely sabotage it with how out of touch they have been and the changes they have made.

  • Roma315

    @CUTiger81 said...

    Totally agree with a lot of what’s said in here. It’s complete and utter bullshit to try and claim that you care about making the game fun for the casual player when it just isn’t true. The Sac Fly is completely worthless, you’re better off buying into FD’s $1 100-man leagues. The days where the $6 squeeze is the lowest $$ large field GPP that they have with these new “rally’s” with a buy in that ranges from $11-18 most days and then a $44 squeeze is just pathetic. Here’s what I think they should offer on a daily basis and why:

    $1 sac fly (10 entry max) $25-30k prize pool; this offers your new players and/or younger players a place to play if they don’t have the funds to spend $20+ a night but still gives them a chance to chase that large payout each day

    $3-4 squeeze (20 entry max) $100k prize pool; squeeze should always be a $3-4 contest outside of rare occasions; perfect spot for the people who want to play $15-50 a night and has a big top end payout

    $7-10 rally (20 entry max) $100k prize pool; allows players like me to get into some small tournaments with huge prizes but who can’t afford or don’t want to consistently play $100+ in GPPs a night

    $25-33 slam (20 entry max) $100k prize pool

    These would all fill every single night and you could still do the $300 monster, $1k, etc…which would all fill.

    Agree with this but don’t think it should be limited to 20 entries. Also last year they would always run a large $25 event every week which would ALWAYS fill. It’s also hard to figure out if they will run a $3,$4,$5,$9, or $15 event on any given day

  • pal

    I agree 100%. I made a post last year about this very subject when they jumped it from $2 to $3. Sucks

  • Houseman

    You better score 350 points if you want to cash in gpp’s.

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