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  • Powellbr

    I have labs now for nba as there really isnt a comprehensive model for NBA. But with MLB approaching I know the bat is available. Looking to hear each side of the debate. my thoughts as of now.

    Labs:

    Pricey at $60 a month
    Awesome app
    Models made already or options to make own
    Plenty of stats To consider

    Bat:

    Much cheaper
    No app
    Plenty of stats I’m sure but I’ve never used it
    Only 1 model
    Remember of hearing or lots of tech issues last year

  • headChopper

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    The Bat was solid last year.

  • BmoreClutch

    I believe there was someone on here (or maybe reddit) who used the bat for a while and posted results. They were decent from what I remember, but nothing special.

    There are several smaller sites that are just as good if not better than FantasyLabs for half the price per month. My favorite was BaseballMonster but they’re not doing DFS this year from what I’ve heard.

  • griff009

    Is RG offering The BAT again this year?

  • btwice80

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    @headChopper said...

    The Bat was solid last year.

    I guess, but it was really the only change to my process and I went from highly profitable in MLB in previous years to losing a good chunk of my BR on 2016 MLB. Needless to say I won’t be a returning customer and just go back to not using a projection system.

  • bhdevault

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    I am the opposite of btwice, I won 9x the amount than the previous year using the bat, this is cash games though. Really liked the pitching model.

  • Jvanspro

    The Bat is fine just know it’s only projections. I did the second half discount to try it out last season. It’s not really for me because I don’t find projections all that valuable in baseball.

  • fathalpert

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    @griff009 said...

    Is RG offering The BAT again this year?

    griff009, yes, The BAT is available in the Daily Marketplace: https://rotogrinders.com/marketplace

  • kieff5280

    • Blogger of the Month

    I will say I think the BAT is better for cash games as it allows you the opportunity to optimize… Derek is more of a cash game player so that makes sense to me. For GPPs I use my own process and it allowed for me to score some big wins.

  • kellykip

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  • bluesjack

    @bhdevault said...

    Really liked the pitching model.

    Could you expand on this? I’ve read that it’s useful for pitching prop bets, is this what you are referring to or did it help in DFS?
    For example, I’m assuming it’s not just going to give me Kershaw and Sale.

  • bhdevault

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    @bluesjack said...

    Could you expand on this? I’ve read that it’s useful for pitching prop bets, is this what you are referring to or did it help in DFS?
    For example, I’m assuming it’s not just going to give me Kershaw and Sale.

    Well of course it’s going to give you those guys at the top of the projections, however it’s up to you to look past them if you are seeking value or maybe you want to pivot off them.

    Not to mention the tough days when there isn’t an obvious stud pitcher on the slate.

    The year before last, I struggled big time with MLB DFS after having success in NFL and NBA. I just couldn’t pick the right pitcher over and over and frankly on Fanduel, if you don’t pick the correct pitchers, you lose.

    Last year, using the BAT, I basically had him pick my pitcher for me and while of course there were days it was wrong, over the long haul, it helped me tremendously. I had a very good MLB DFS season last year.

  • bluesjack

    @bhdevault said...

    I just couldn’t pick the right pitcher over and over and frankly on Fanduel, if you don’t pick the correct pitchers, you lose.

    Thanks for the reply and of course if it didn’t come up with Kershaw there would be something wrong with the model LOL but yes I’m looking for pivots and suggestions for the tough days as you mentioned.
    I’m sort of in the same boat, I’m always confident in my selection of hitters, I’m hoping for some pitching help.
    Thanks again for the imput

  • Galante118

    • Blogger of the Month

    FantasyLabs is 10x better IF you plan on putting in the leg work. It gives you a ton of data, and options on how YOU want to manipulate it. Also a huge tool for back tracking certain trends, ownership percentages etc…Teach a man to fish sort of thing.

  • kaetorade

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    @Powellbr said...

    I have labs now for nba as there really isnt a comprehensive model for NBA. But with MLB approaching I know the bat is available. Looking to hear each side of the debate. my thoughts as of now.

    Labs:

    Pricey at $60 a month
    Awesome app
    Models made already or options to make own
    Plenty of stats To consider

    Bat:

    Much cheaper
    No app
    Plenty of stats I’m sure but I’ve never used it
    Only 1 model
    Remember of hearing or lots of tech issues last year

    You are better off posting such a question at reddit or at a site that doesn’t have a conflict of interest.

    I have no experience with either, but for what it’s worth, I hear that the bat’s pitching projections are more consistent than their bats(the irony, eh?).

  • Dallas0827

    Labs is the best product out there.

  • madchuck

    @kaetorade said...

    You are better off posting such a question at reddit or at a site that doesn’t have a conflict of interest.

    I have no experience with either, but for what it’s worth, I hear that the bat’s pitching projections are more consistent than their bats(the irony, eh?).

    I was actually thinking the same thing. Not that I don’t trust anyone but I’m skeptical of people who work for Rotogrinders saying a Rotogrinders product is good.

  • Cpjttogether

    this isn’t basketball. I do not need no dam bat or fantasy labs. Give me chopplehead and I’m ready to roll. Be carefull in the h2h lobby, I want my money back and I played college baseball.

  • LuckyLuc3434

    I’m in a similar position — thinking of buying access to a model, and debating between Labs and THE BAT.

    From the description for THE BAT, it sounds like it’s model considers way more factors than Labs does. Can anybody confirm this? Catcher framing etc. seem to be included, which looks more than the stat categories that Labs includes. Am I wrong that THE BAT seems to be a way more sophisticated model than what Labs offers? Only downside is not having backtested data.

    I realize that there is a conflict of interest with this being posted on RG, but can anybody who has had both compare them? I’m confident with the lineup builder on RG and tournament strategy, so I’d prefer to use THE BAT if all things were equal.

  • CUTiger81

    I had THE BAT last year and there was a lot that I liked about the product but I felt that it just put way too much weight into the “Coors” effect and I had way too many disagreements from a SP perspective to feel like it was worth the cost for me.

    The primary issue for me though is there isn’t an app and a lot of the time I’m at the golf course during lock in the summer and it was useless for me to have a product I couldn’t access from my phone.

  • LuckyLuc3434

    @CUTiger81 said...

    but I felt that it just put way too much weight into the “Coors” effect

    So yeah, this is kind of something that is my only concern with THE BAT. Without backtested data, there is no quantitative way to know whether or not it over-projects something like that.

  • MrMadness001

    I can only speak for Fantasy Labs since I have never used The Bat program. The biggest positive about Labs is they have all the data in one place with the ability to build your own models, and see back tested results of the model. The monthly price is a bit much for me since I am small stakes player. But their is no denying the product they provide is top notch.

  • bookitboi

    I’ve subscribed to a lot of “DFS” sites for a while now. And I love rotogrinders and all the information they provide – but as far as fantasy labs I’m curious what everyone else thinks. I feel like for a while now based on their nba projections – particularly on shorter slates they get smoked by other sites. What do you guys think – is fantasyguru elite and rotogrinders < Fantasy labs? For sixty bucks a month – particularly their MLB/NFL product i don’t feel like its worth it. Although i’m complaining about their short slate nba slate models- i do think there nba product is worth it. But as far as mlb/nfl is it even worth subscribing too – i feel like they are worthless particularly for cash games? What do do you all think/What if any value do you guys get our of their NFL/MLB product – particularly for cash games?

  • topspinner

    I have used both the Bat and fantasy labs, the concept behind fantasy labs is much better as you can adjust the weights for your own models and back test the data on the fly. For someone who enjoys the stats aspects of baseball this is unparalleled. If you just want data force fed the bat is good, but not being back tested over a long period, and not knowing how they weight everything, I much prefer the concept behind fantasy labs.

    That being said, I am getting real frustrated with fantasy labs, as there are numerous errors in their data. For example today, it says that opponents hard hit rate over the last year against maeda is 7%, without even checking i know that is impossible. my guess is that it is picking up his own hard hit rate.

    They have a slider for ground ball rating which is determined as the % of ground balls hit against the pitchers or for the batter. They say lower is better for pitcher. This is not true, a higher ground ball percentage is better for pitcher, i.e you can’t hrs when the ball is on the ground.

    Everyday i am finding something that is wrong……for the price they are charging they should not have that many issues.

    Does anyone know of a site that has the same concept as fantasy labs but accurate data?

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