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  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    It was a very small slate and its only been one day, but did anyone notice the huge amount of ties? I was in a 100 man league and ended up tied for 8th with 7 people. All of us had different rosters. Guess we will see how it goes after a few days but with the new scoring i think this might be the norm.

  • RTLONG

    Been playing on DK for MLB this year. I’m not extremely wild about their positions and scoring either but it’s much better than that stupid FD garbage. I cannot believe FD changed their scoring to that. I think it was absolutely perfect last year and in years past. Loved playing MLB there for the past few years. Now when I see somebody post their scores from FanDuel on Twitter and 60 points would get me top 5 in the monster now I see people scoring 200 points I get extremely angry. Freaking stupid….smh

  • ksnoke

    Yet another night of enormous ties on the bubble line. Fanduel obviously does not care so I’ll be withdrawing and moving over to DK.

  • mannmicj

    2 weeks into the season and Fanduel continues to be stubborn and stay with a horrible scoring system. Pride cometh…..

  • semobb1993

    Daily (sorta) update:

    697-way tie in the early slate squeeze on Saturday. (That’s exactly 2% of the field.) Those players did receive almost a full share though. $4.85 each.

    Here was another slate where everyone in the top 20 was involved in some kind of tie:

    2-way tie for 1st
    4-way tie for 3rd
    2-way tie for 7th
    2-way tie for 9th
    4-way tie for 11th
    20-way (LULZ!) tie for 15th, with only 4 2-man trains.

    In fact, there were a grand total of FIVE unique cashing scores in the entire tournament… The user “hunt1982” finished in 905th place all by himself with a score of 194, the user “rugga1” finished in 1,170th place all by himself with a score of 191, the user “jdutto21” finished in 1,633rd all by himself with a score of 185, the user “cbonerfied” finished in 2,281st all by himself with a score of 178, and the user “cirrheous” finished in 4,214th all by himself with a score of 166. Literally all 6,250 other cashing lineups were involved in some kind of tie.

    1,369-way tie in the main slate squeeze on Saturday, or 2.7% of the field. Those runners profited $1.19 per entry. Both 1st and 2nd places were unique scores, but then more shenanigans:

    3-way tie for 3rd
    5-way tie for 6th
    6-way tie for 11th
    3-way tie for 17th
    16-way tie for 20th. (granted, with a few 2- and 3-person trains in there.)

    852-way tie on the money bubble in today’s (Sunday) squeeze, or 1.5% of the field. These runners profited $1.14 per.

    This is made more annoying to me by the fact that this included 2 of my entries. :)

    Only 2 2-way ties in the top 10 today though.

    sigh

  • timski83

    It would appear FD is not making as much money in some of these contests with all the ties at the cutoff. You would think if the new scoring had a negative outcome in any way in the companies bottom line they would change it? Success= complacency?

  • meerkatmreow

    @timski83 said...

    It would appear FD is not making as much money in some of these contests with all the ties at the cutoff.

    Ties do not affect the size of the prize pool (or the rake collected by the sites)

  • DavidK44

    Make a Walk and an HBP worth .95 of a single (so in the triple scoring system we have now, they’d be worth 2.85. Make ‘em 2.9 if you want. The exact number doesn’t matter – just make it SLIGHTLY less valuable than a single (any advanced player metrics that uses some sort of linear weighting does this exact thing with singles versus walks/hbps, since a single is more likely to move runners along, or farther, than a walk does).

    If it weren’t for the tie problem, I wouldn’t suggest making walks worth a little less than a single, because having them worth the same is perfectly reasonable, however, it’s also perfectly reasonable to have them worth slightly less, and this accomplishes the goal of removing a significant number of the ties.

    I was never a fan of outs counting as -0.25, although I will say that I’d rather have outs count as -0.25 then to have the current system, with ties galore.

  • FantasyFreakFFW

    So, I’ve not seen this and not sure if it’s even possible, but what about ADDING 0.25 points for making an out? Pitchers already get 3 for a K, why shouldn’t the fielders get additional points for a putout.

    It would accomplish a higher score, which was asked for by the players according to FanDuel, and help alleviate the proliferation of ties.

    Again, I don’t know how feasible it would be, but it’s a potential alternative…

  • DavidK44

    @FantasyFreakFFW said...

    So, I’ve not seen this and not sure if it’s even possible, but what about ADDING 0.25 points for making an out? Pitchers already get 3 for a K, why shouldn’t the fielders get additional points for a putout.

    It would accomplish a higher score, which was asked for by the players according to FanDuel, and help alleviate the proliferation of ties.

    Again, I don’t know how feasible it would be, but it’s a potential alternative…

    1Bs get the vast majority of putouts. You make a DH who is listed as 1B functionally useless (not to say some people wouldn’t think that’s a good thing), and any player who is playing 1st (say, Ben Paulsen or Matt Holliday) but listed at another position becomes infinitely more valuable.

    Note – I was reading that as .25 under the old system (so .75 under the new system). .25 in the new system may not be enough to drastically alter the value, although it still may be (as in, making real life 1Bs that much more valuable).

  • tvsfrink

    I have eight 1B in my lineup, how about you?

  • mannmicj

    17 days and counting with the worst scoring system in DFS. That’s plenty of time to fix the issue. They flat out don’t care.

  • zshoom

    • 2016 Single Entry Series Finalist

    Subtract .05 for hitting into a double play or striking out. The amount taken off the score changes absolutely nothing (except lowering the ridiculous amounts of ties).

    OR

    Create a tie breaker. Lineups with players from more teams beat lineups with fewer teams represented. This encourages unique lineup construction and devalues stacks.

    OR

    Lineup cost decides the tie breaker. If you can leave money an the table and build a winner you get rewarded.

    There are so many things they could do to fix this.

  • dakimbell

    Just go back to the lower scoring method. You know make a single worth 1, double worth 2, if my batter makes an our or my pitcher gives up an ER penalize me for it. Made so much more fantasy and real-life sense the old way. Who cares how high your score is if it isn’t an elite score for that slate!

  • dakimbell

    And if so many people are mad about this, why haven’t they fixed it? Is it really as easy as pushing a button and making an announcement that they are reverting back? Or do they not want to look stupid for changing course so early in the season? I don’t get it..

  • DavidK44

    @zshoom said...

    Subtract .05 for hitting into a double play or striking out. The amount taken off the score changes absolutely nothing (except lowering the ridiculous amounts of ties).

    OR

    Create a tie breaker. Lineups with players from more teams beat lineups with fewer teams represented. This encourages unique lineup construction and devalues stacks.

    OR

    Lineup cost decides the tie breaker. If you can leave money an the table and build a winner you get rewarded.

    There are so many things they could do to fix this.

    Although I love the lineup cost being the tiebreaker concept, I doubt we’d ever see that. But yeah, subtracting .05 for hitting into a double play would easily get the job done as well.

  • meerkatmreow

    @dakimbell said...

    Just go back to the lower scoring method

    Multiplying by three had no effect on ties, batter outs is the only real change compared to last year

  • dakimbell

    @meerkatmreow said...

    Multiplying by three had no effect on ties, batter outs is the only real change compared to last year

    I understand that it has no effect on ties, but I don’t like it regardless. if it aint broke don’t fix it.

  • dawade11

    any word on if this might get fixed soon? i’m new to FD and really like it there, but that’s absurd.

  • fadein34

    Who has a change.org account???

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    Last night I went to bed knowing my lineup was terrible. Then I woke up and logged into FD only to see I had an increase in my account. Turns out Altuve and Springer went B2B and it allowed me to finish in a 125 way tie for the final cashing position in the Bunt last night.

    Had I been penalized for outs I’m convinced there is no way I cash given that 3 of my players scored absolutely nothing. The ties can be frustrating, but I feel like in the end it will even itself out and for the most part people will earn what they deserve. Some nights the ties might work in your favor, others they may not. Worry about your own lineup and let the cards fall where they may. Personally, I find it much more enjoyable knowing I don’t have to watch my score decrease every time my pitcher gives up a hit or my batter doesn’t reach base.

  • mannmicj

    @tgowen said...

    Personally, I find it much more enjoyable knowing I don’t have to watch my score decrease every time my pitcher gives up a hit or my batter doesn’t reach base.

    Many folks don’t want the negatives back. It’s about getting FRACTIONAL SCORING to avoid all the ties. I’m sorry, I don’t enjoy a 200+ person tie at the cash line for .39 cents.

    I don’t get why folks can’t understand that the main point is about FRACTIONAL SCORING. Please say it with me everyone, “WE NEED FRACTIONAL SCORING.” This doesn’t have to required negative scoring. Make a Stolen Base worth 5.9, issue resolved.

    Thank you.

  • yoteach

    • Blogger of the Month

    I love the idea of FRACTIONAL SCORING for walks and HBPs (slightly less than singles), and I could also see an SB being in the 5.75-5.9 range as well.

    Fix it, FanDuel!

  • shivdaddy

    Make putouts .1 and ties will be done. They do not want negative scoring so lets stop suggesting GDP and Ks.

  • emac

    @mannmicj said...

    Please say it with me everyone, “WE NEED FRACTIONAL SCORING.”

    We need fractional scoring!

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    @tgowen said...

    Last night I went to bed knowing my lineup was terrible. Then I woke up and logged into FD only to see I had an increase in my account. Turns out Altuve and Springer went B2B and it allowed me to finish in a 125 way tie for the final cashing position in the Bunt last night.

    Had I been penalized for outs I’m convinced there is no way I cash given that 3 of my players scored absolutely nothing. The ties can be frustrating, but I feel like in the end it will even itself out and for the most part people will earn what they deserve. Some nights the ties might work in your favor, others they may not. Worry about your own lineup and let the cards fall where they may. Personally, I find it much more enjoyable knowing I don’t have to watch my score decrease every time my pitcher gives up a hit or my batter doesn’t reach base.

    I’m not against fractional scoring. However, I do believe the impact of ties is being overblown and overall has had a very minimal impact on gameplay for most players on FD.

    EDIT: I quoted the wrong thing, so mods feel free to delete my quote.

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