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  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    It was a very small slate and its only been one day, but did anyone notice the huge amount of ties? I was in a 100 man league and ended up tied for 8th with 7 people. All of us had different rosters. Guess we will see how it goes after a few days but with the new scoring i think this might be the norm.

  • ComicFx

    I sent in a complaint this morning after the Main Slate $2 squeeze had ~1470-way cash line tie 150pts, Approx 20% of the field min cashed for $1.83

    I received a response,

    “Thank you for contacting FanDuel Customer Support. We changed our scoring due to user feedback. An overwhelming majority felt that our MLB scores were too low and you couldn’t win without the top-scoring Starting Pitcher. We changed our format to help address the majority of our users’ concerns and believe this new format will be a big improvement. Although we removed negative points for Outs, your batters can still go 0-4 and earn 0 points. This means you can still win big with poor performances or scratches/ejections! Please let us know how you like the scoring throughout the season. If you have any proposed changes to our current format, then please, share your opinion.”

    I will not be playing MLB on FanDuel with these scoring rules.

  • Slimdalineman

    I am playing my balance out which is currently 9$… If it increases enough I will cash out but will not be depositing anymore until changes

  • 1greatbuyz

    • x3

      2014 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    With enough outcry people can make a difference. McDonald’s brought back the hot mustard sauce. The day I went in there and they told me it wasn’t a popular sauce and it was gone, I handed the nuggets back.

  • DannyTanner

    Can’t begin to describe how disappointed I am about the way all of this has played out. This is an all-time bad decision in an industry that has some whoppers of bad decisions and the worst part is that none of this was needed to begin with.

    I seen DB post on Twitter that he thinks there will be a change soon. I hope so, as I’ve already slashed my projected volume drastically and will be all together off of Fanduel soon if things continue to play out this way and nothing is changed.

  • csmaniac

    • 760

      RG Overall Ranking

    • Ranked #89

      RG Tiered Ranking

    @ComicFx said...

    I sent in a complaint this morning after the Main Slate $2 squeeze had ~1470-way cash line tie 150pts, Approx 20% of the field min cashed for $1.83

    I received a response,

    “Thank you for contacting FanDuel Customer Support. We changed our scoring due to user feedback. An overwhelming majority felt that our MLB scores were too low and you couldn’t win without the top-scoring Starting Pitcher. We changed our format to help address the majority of our users’ concerns and believe this new format will be a big improvement. Although we removed negative points for Outs, your batters can still go 0-4 and earn 0 points. This means you can still win big with poor performances or scratches/ejections! Please let us know how you like the scoring throughout the season. If you have any proposed changes to our current format, then please, share your opinion.”

    I will not be playing MLB on FanDuel with these scoring rules.

    I think by removing the negative for outs it’s actually harder to cash with a 0 since before batters can easily go negative of which a 0 wasn’t that bad

  • Jesoral

    I emailed FanDuel support and got the same answer as everybody else

  • giantsfan12345

    they sent me the same generic emails. I withdrew my 20k and i am taking business to dk. I have had ties in two high stakes games already and there is nothing more tilting.

  • AWoo

    @csmaniac said...

    $2 Squeeze for Full Slate – 4/5

    2 entries tied for 4th
    8 entries tied for 6th
    8 entries tied for 22nd
    7 entries tied for 31st
    16 entries tied for 39th
    9 entries tied for 59th
    32 entries tied for 70th
    28 entries tied for 108
    41 entries tied for 145th
    51 entries tied for 193rd
    47 entries tied for 247th
    116 entries tied for 316th
    135 entries tied for 460th

    It just gets worse and worse dropping down to lower scores. Once again keep in mind these are all different lineups. Min cashing in the squeeze should be $5 but there’s about 600-700 people tied with a score of 150 who are all getting $1.87 and losing 13 cents. FD needs to step up and make some MAJOR changes and add fractional scoring back. It’s going to be really bad for qualifiers/satties and even their championships when 3-5 people tie for first. How will that look?

    CSM STRIKES AGAIN!

  • MikeSos760

    I tied with 10 people for 49th place in a 100 man 50/50 yesterday haha….

  • Ryazan

    • x3

      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @ComicFx said...

    An overwhelming majority felt that our MLB scores were too low and you couldn’t win without the top-scoring Starting Pitcher

    how the hell is the change they made addressing the situation they are presenting?

    They are saying that before, it was too hard to win without having that top scoring pitcher who got you 20 fantasy points. Well now, it’s too hard to win without having that top scoring pitcher who gets you 60 fantasy points……i don’t get it, are THEY just stupid, or do they think WE are stupid? The lack of logic is ridiculous! If they really wanted to make a change and boost offense, then they could have removed batters outs as negatives and kept everything the same…..tripling every stat just means that someone is stupid here, and I think it may just be Fanduel.

  • mannmicj

    Everyone please send FanDuel an email about how you feel in regards to all the ties. Throw out some ideas in your email as well. The main point needs to be having some form of fractional scoring. They can still have all these ridiculously high scores, but somethings got to give.

    I suggested making stolen bases 4.5 points instead of 6. A stolen base is only advancing one base and doesn’t need to be worth a double. More than a single, but less than a double sounds good to me. It’s not a perfect fix, but it would at least give the possibility of a .5 which could actually help. If you get any even number of SB’s you still end up with a whole number, but it would be better than nothing. I don’t see anyone getting too pissed off if SB’s go down to 4.5.

    Anyway, that was just my suggestion. They may want to fix this issue, but just haven’t come up with the right answer yet. I don’t see them going back to last year’s scoring, but they need to do something. I’m going to transfer more of my money to DraftKings, if they don’t correct this problem soon.

    There are many smart folks in the community, so send them your suggestions. You never know, someone might come up with an easy fix.

  • Warriv

    I agree ties are a huge problem but people are missing the biggest reason why. It is not just the removal of negatives. It is that every single scoring possibility is a multiple of 3 (both pitching and hitting other than IP, which often end up as a multiple of 3 as well), so almost every single final score is going to be a multiple of 3, or with highly owned pitchers, almost every score is going to be exactly 3 points from each other.

    If you take a look at draftkings, they do not have negatives for hitters either, but they have hitting categories that can score 2, 3, 5, 8, or 10 points. That alone allows for any individual higher number, not just multiples of 3 like fanduel has in place. On top of that, they use fractional scoring for pitchers which allows even more differentiation (and they have two pitchers — and while that allows for even more differentiation in scores, fanduel would not need to go that far if they don’t want to). If fanduel just allowed some type of decimals for pitching (whether that be some type of fractional IP, fractional negative for hits/walks, or other), and also changed their hitting to have some non-multiples of 3, such as 2 for walks and -1 for strikeouts, or if they don’t want negatives make doubles/triples/HR/SB or anything some non-multiple of 3, that would get rid of a lot of the ties we are seeing.

  • csmaniac

    • 760

      RG Overall Ranking

    • Ranked #89

      RG Tiered Ranking

    Not going to bother listening how many people tied with home tonight. However I counted the amount of unique scores in the squeeze for cashing tonight. There was a total of 42 different scores ranging from 243-141 (Min cashing with thousands of others). Squeeze pays out top 10,965/57,803. That means there was an average tie of about 261 entries. Hilarious.

    Agree with the post above, please keep emailing FD, this must be changed. I shudder to think how bad double ups & 50/50s are

  • csmaniac

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    • Ranked #89

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    @Warriv said...

    I agree ties are a problem but people are missing the biggest reason why. It is not just the removal of negatives. It is that every single scoring possibility is a multiple of 3 (both pitching and hitting), so every single final score is going to be a multiple of 3. For example, scores of 120, 123, 126, 129 are possible, but scores of 121, 122, 124, 125, 127, 128, 130, etc….. are all impossible.

    If you take a look at draftkings, they do not have negatives for hitters either, but they have hitting categories that can score 2, 3, 5, 8, or 10 points. That alone allows for any individual higher number, not just multiples of 3 like fanduel has in place. On top of that, they use fractional scoring for pitchers which allows even more differentiation (and they have two pitchers — and while that allows for even more differentiation in scores, fanduel would not need to go that far if they don’t want to). If fanduel just allowed some type of decimals for pitching (whether that be some type of fractional IP, fractional negative for hits/walks, or other), and also changed their hitting to have some non-multiples of 3, such as 2 for walks and -1 for strikeouts, or if they don’t want negatives make doubles/triples/HR/SB or anything some non-multiple of 3, that would get rid of a lot of the ties we are seeing.

    This is not true. If a pitcher only goes 1/3 or 2/3 of an inning they will only get 1 or 2 points added to their score. It might only look like that at the top because of the winning pitchers have gone a full 6,7,8 IP and have not gotten taken out midway through yet. Not very proud of it but I did have some lineups score 121, 123, 124, 126, 127, 129 so I assure you those scores are possible.

  • Warriv

    @csmaniac said...

    This is not true. If a pitcher only goes 1/3 or 2/3 of an inning they will only get 1 or 2 points added to their score. It might only look like that at the top because of the winning pitchers have gone a full 6,7,8 IP and have not gotten taken out midway through yet. Not very proud of it but I did have some lineups score 121, 123, 124, 126, 127, 129 so I assure you those scores are possible.

    Yes, I realized that after my original post and tried to correct, sorry that I was too slow. However, even with this the most common SP outcome is a full number of innings pitches as well which results in the same multiple of 3 many times as well.

  • semobb1993

    Daily update: 1,189-way tie on the money bubble in the main slate Squeeze today. This is down from 1,480-ish yesterday.
    Lets keep bumping this thread until something gets done.

    Just for fun, and for comparison’s sake, the big NBA GPP at the same price point (the Shot) had an 86-way tie on the money bubble today… With almost double the number of total entries.

  • MikeSos760

    1189 way tie… Geez…

    I much prefer fanduel but looks like I may be switching to Dk mainly if this doesnt change

  • soobv

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    is it because of the new scoring or is it because of the smaller slates?

  • MikeSos760

    @soobv said...

    is it because of the new scoring or is it because of the smaller slates?

    It is because of the new scoring. Look at some of the previous posts for an explanation.

    I did my part and sent a ticket in to Fanduel. I told them their change sucks because of all the ties and that I will be moving to DK (which I dislike) for MLB if my small bankroll dries up, and that many others feel the same.

  • ComicFx

    24hrs still waiting on my full FanDuel account withdraw. Wish they would hurry up, like to get that money in play on a site with decent scoring. They ruined their MLB product with the scoring changes, waste of time and money to play MLB with these scoring rules.

  • tvsfrink

    I don’t see the problem with no batter negatives, DK does this and there isn’t a problem. The lack of negatives for pitcher hits and walks allowed is where this all falls apart.

    And the multiple of 3 things for batters (and to a lesser extent pitchers) doesn’t help.

  • meerkatmreow

    @Ryazan said...

    If they really wanted to make a change and boost offense, then they could have removed batters outs as negatives and kept everything the same

    They did boost offense by removing batter outs. The multiply by everything by three just makes the number bigger, it changes nothing as far as the relative difference between batters and pitchings (the removing negatives did that).

  • sethayates

    @Ryazan said...

    how the hell is the change they made addressing the situation they are presenting?

    They are saying that before, it was too hard to win without having that top scoring pitcher who got you 20 fantasy points. Well now, it’s too hard to win without having that top scoring pitcher who gets you 60 fantasy points……i don’t get it, are THEY just stupid, or do they think WE are stupid? The lack of logic is ridiculous! If they really wanted to make a change and boost offense, then they could have removed batters outs as negatives and kept everything the same…..tripling every stat just means that someone is stupid here, and I think it may just be Fanduel.

    Here’s the part everyone is missing. FanDuel did fix something here. Go back out to the main forum and scroll through the first page of threads. Do you notice anything missing? I’ll give you a second…………Ok, do you see any posts complaining about lineup sellers? I don’t see any. In the past, there would be a huge group of scores tied at the cash line. Those would be people who bought or used someone else’s lineup. People who didn’t cash would see the 100-person train ahead of them and start a forum thread. FanDuel fixed that problem though. Instead of having 100 guys tied at the cash line, they have 1,000 now. You think someone is going to go through the work to look at all those lineups and see if they are the same? People might do it if just 10 people had the same lineup. With 1000? Forget about it! Even though this change causes more ties, it makes it much harder to find the lineup sellers. That’s a positive for the industry. Good job FanDuel!

  • Zieg30

    I really miss the old FanDuel scoring. It differentiated itself nicely from DraftKings and put forward a superior product.

    I wrote in, and I encourage everyone else who misses the old product to do the same.

  • lpk8787

    • 2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    • 2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    Last year I played MLB almost exclusively on FD, but this new change is awful. They took a great product that was different from their competition and made it worse..I will be playing MLB on DK from now on. I’m shocked that FD hasn’t addressed this given the negative feedback.

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