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  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    It was a very small slate and its only been one day, but did anyone notice the huge amount of ties? I was in a 100 man league and ended up tied for 8th with 7 people. All of us had different rosters. Guess we will see how it goes after a few days but with the new scoring i think this might be the norm.

  • tommykarate

    @mannmicj said...

    More ties tonight. I’m definitely going to play less until FanDuel fixes this issue. I’ve emailed them and gave them some ideas. They responded like they did to most. That said. It does seem like they are looking at the issue.

    22 people tied at the end of my cash line in a 50/50.

    And not the same lineups.

    Guess I have to learn DK scoring and make the switch. This is horrific.

    Fan duel – just add a negative 1 for hitters striking out. Problem solved and you still entice the beginners with coors type scores using your new 3x multiplier

    When they replied this was done from user feedback, I told them to come check out the threads here from serious dfs players. But they do seem open to adjusting.

  • jsw3ent

    @tommykarate said...

    22 people tied at the end of my cash line in a 50/50.

    And not the same lineups.

    Guess I have to learn DK scoring and make the switch. This is horrific.

    Fan duel – just add a negative 1 for hitters striking out. Problem solved and you still entice the beginners with coors type scores using your new 3x multiplier

    When they replied this was done from user feedback, I told them to come check out the threads here from serious dfs players. But they do seem open to adjusting.

    Forget about the negative 1 for striking out——- go back to the way they did the scoring for the previous seasons——-it didn’t need fixed. FD was #1 for a reason——-then they say let’s change things……crickets….

  • PudRatInc

    I did a 100 person 50-50 and the cash line was higher than it was for a $2 gpp I did. Is this normal for baseball?

  • deactivated84892

    @tommykarate said...

    Fan duel – just add a negative 1 for hitters striking out. Problem solved and you still entice the beginners with coors type scores using your new 3x multiplier

    I don’t think using a negative whole number would do the trick.

    I think fractions is the only way to go.

  • FFguru71

    @Galante118 said...

    Serious question, why are you guys not playing on FantasyAces. Same scoring as FD last year without negatives. 9-10% rake on every contest. Rakeback. A utility spot, two sps, which basically results in no ties…I don’t understand why they don’t get more love.

    The contest sizes are so incredibly small particularly for GPP’s. I like the scoring but those prize pools…..Ugh

  • Galante118

    • Blogger of the Month

    Yea the contest sizes are a little small, but, speak with your money. If people are so unhappy, leave the site. The more people that joined aces, the bigger the gpps would get.

  • mannmicj

    @Galante118 said...

    The more people that joined aces, the bigger the gpps would get.

    I’ve been playing Aces off and on for over a year. I really enjoy their scoring and quick payouts.

  • semobb1993

    Here’s how bad it is: I had Ian Kennedy as a starter in one of my GPP lineups today. Pitched a gem until the 7th when he got in a bit of trouble… I was actually CHEERING for him to get pulled before the end of the inning just so my final lineup score wouldn’t be divisible by 3.

    It’s really the only way to get any differentiation whatsoever in your score.

    Thanks to mannmicj and everyone else keeping this thread alive and near the top. Sounds like progress is being made.

  • eperson911

    Wow, I am currently in on the money line with 126 other teams in the big FD $1 single entry… At first I didn’t realize why the new scoring would cause so many ties. I thought, “well, if it’s mulitpled by 3, wouldn’t all the results be the same?” I guess I underestimated the affect of the negative .25 per out and the fact that the ways to get a to common whole number are so much greater.

    I always somewhat disliked how much weight the single pitcher carried on FD and appreciate an effort to minimize that some. Does the new scoring actually do that?

    I always like FA when I played there, the problem is I set most of my line ups from my phone. When there is a FA Android app, I will definitely try playing more. With the smaller user base is it generally harder or easier to cash?

  • semobb1993

    Weekend update: (with apologies to Kevin Nealon…)

    1,462-way tie on the money bubble for the Friday main slate squeeze
    628-way tie on the money bubble for the Saturday main slate squeeze
    895-way tie on the money bubble in the main slate squeeze today.

  • Zieg30

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    • 2018 DraftKings FGWC Finalist

    @semobb1993 said...

    Weekend update: (with apologies to Kevin Nealon…)

    1,462-way tie on the money bubble for the Friday main slate squeeze
    628-way tie on the money bubble for the Saturday main slate squeeze
    895-way tie on the money bubble in the main slate squeeze today.

    Just insanity.

  • lpk8787

    • 2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    • 2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @semobb1993 said...

    1,462-way tie on the money bubble for the Friday main slate squeeze
    628-way tie on the money bubble for the Saturday main slate squeeze
    895-way tie on the money bubble in the main slate squeeze today.

    Does fanduel not realize this is a problem? 895 way tie? Make the change already!

  • mannmicj

    Still no word on IF or WHEN they might fix the scoring? I’m getting tired of waiting.

  • rj3494

    I moved to Draftkings. I have played exclusively on Fanduel everyday for the past 2 years. Baseball is frustrating enough. With all the variance in baseball to cash in a GPP and see that hundreds and sometimes thousands have the same score is not fun. I cashed out yesterday.

  • mannmicj

    @rj3494 said...

    I moved to Draftkings. I have played exclusively on Fanduel everyday for the past 2 years.

    I like playing both FD and DK, but it may be time to consolidate all of my MLB bankroll to DK. Fanduel just isn’t moving fast enough. MLB is my best sport and my patience is running thin.

  • mjordantmac

    • 2016 FanDuel NBA Playboy Mansion Finalist

    Noticed this on day one and haven’t played since. Why is the Powerball -ev? Because of ties… same thing here. Not worth playing there unless this gets changed.

  • Warriv

    @mjordantmac said...

    Noticed this on day one and haven’t played since. Why is the Powerball -ev? Because of ties… same thing here. Not worth playing there unless this gets changed.

    LOL powerball is -EV because of the 40% vig. I agree ties are a joke though.

  • semobb1993

    Daily update:

    1,074-way tie on the money bubble in the main slate squeeze today. Those bubblers lose $1.74 per entry.

    So we have our first 2-game early slate tomorrow… The squeeze for that slate holds 17,341 entrants. Anyone care to guess how many land on the money bubble?

    My guess is 550. That’s over 3% of the field.

  • chronoxiong

    You have to fight the rake, and then fight to avoid getting into ties or lose money tying for that minimum GPP cash. This is ridiculous! I don’t think I am going to play MLB at all this season if this keeps up! How the hell did no one run a simulation of these new rules before finalizing them? If something ain’t broke, don’t fix it!

  • scottmsteiner

    It’s amazing to me that FD didn’t see the negative outcome of this scoring ahead of time. Did they even test this against past contests to see what the scoring would do?

    I understand that they want to boost scoring and make it a more exciting game, but you have to incorporate some sort of efficiency stats. DK has no negatives for batter outs, but they have a two pitcher system with efficiency scoring for pitchers. That is usually enough to differentiate lineups.

    Baseball is a unique sport. A batter that goes 2-3 should be scored differently than a batter that goes 2-4. Or a pitcher that goes 5 solid innings only allowing one run against 3 hits should be scored differently than a pitcher that goes 5 innings giving up one run on 6 hits and 3 walks.

    Please, FD incorporate efficiency stats into your MLB product.

  • MikeSos760

    You think that they would be quicker in their response to this. One of the tourneys I was in today had a 4 way tie for first place, all the players had different lineups. Many of the same players, but each one had one or two different ones so they were unique. With the old scoring, there probably wouldn’t have been a tie.

    I’d be annoyed to have won a GPP and have tied with multiple people, thus having to split the prize. It also make tourneys sort of lame all around because no matter what place you get, you’re probably tying with multiple people.

  • SouthernShield

    I’m not playing on FD and I have no way of knowing if/when they make a change. I would make a guess that you will have to wait until the All-Star break to get a change. This gives them a few days to announce the change and make sure the player base can be informed of the change.

    Also, they need to be sure the change actually makes a difference and they would have to adjust their pricing of players accordingly. Not an easy quick fix.

  • TeHDruiD

    @SouthernShield said...

    I’m not playing on FD and I have no way of knowing if/when they make a change. I would make a guess that you will have to wait until the All-Star break to get a change. This gives them a few days to announce the change and make sure the player base can be informed of the change.

    Also, they need to be sure the change actually makes a difference and they would have to adjust their pricing of players accordingly. Not an easy quick fix.

    I disagree with all of this. The pricing isn’t/won’t be the issue, it’s all about the scoring. Scoring changes could happen right now and the drafting strategy for the most part doesn’t change, you’re still going to be picking the same players. The difference is you’d now be getting negative points for outs so some of these lineups won’t be tying

    They need to just go back to the old way and they need to do it asap because this is getting out of hand and it’s going to continue to be a crap shoot until they make changes. These ties are sickening and really makes things look bad for the company and DFS as a whole

    But yeah, in terms of “not an easy fix” I call bs, it’s a simple fix (their old system was perfect). If the idea was for pitchers to score higher, then they should have multiplied strikeouts and IP by 3 and it would have been fixed. Instead we’re stuck with this trash and it feels very illegitimate

    I play almost exclusively on FD, if they don’t do something I’m going to have to take my MLB action to DK for the season (I HATE the 2 SP format, I have a hard enough time picking 1 good SP most nights lol)

  • sethayates

    @TeHDruiD said...

    Scoring changes could happen right now and the drafting strategy for the most part doesn’t change, you’re still going to be picking the same players. The difference is you’d now be getting negative points for outs so some of these lineups won’t be tying

    This isn’t entirely true. The type of players you pick is absolutely affected by whether or not outs count as a negative. If there is no negative for outs you can look strictly at guys with good power. You would look at WOBA, ISO, and OPS. If outs count against you then you have to consider On Base Percentage in your cash games.

    For example, Matt Carpenter has always been a great cash game play because he has a high OBP and some decent power even though he doesn’t hit a lot of home runs. On the other end of the spectrum, it hurts to take a guy like Chris Davis who strikes out 30% of the time. If there are no negatives though you can fire up a guy like Davis.

    With that said, it is a really easy adjustment and most novice players are probably going to pick the same guys they would have regardless of whether or not outs are a negative. Hopefully FanDuel makes a change as soon as possible and doesn’t wait for some arbitrary date like the All Star break.

  • TeHDruiD

    You’re right on that, I was a little too broad in my statement. In the end though, you’re going to build around some of the same guys/stacks you would otherwise, but with being mindful of negative points from guys who strikeout a lot

    FD wouldn’t have to give much notice at all on something like this and the players would enjoy the game a lot more. As it stands right now, I’m having a hard time enjoying MLB on FD. This really would be a quick fix and very little changes outside of the insane amount of ties dropping significantly

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