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  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    It was a very small slate and its only been one day, but did anyone notice the huge amount of ties? I was in a 100 man league and ended up tied for 8th with 7 people. All of us had different rosters. Guess we will see how it goes after a few days but with the new scoring i think this might be the norm.

  • DaveNYC

    Gonna stop playing fanduels mlb product for the time being until they fix the scoring. I only play GPP and the amount of ties at the cash line is crazy. $2 contest last night with over 300 ties to win $1.51. So when you win you still lose. Taking away the negatives for outs was the dumbest thing, you could at least sweat out later games even if your lineup was finished. I never thought about the ties, but after seeing it in every single contest I’ve played, it’s terrible. Gonna put more action on Dk until they revert back

  • biggiesmails72

    Hi GOAT DFS’er,
    Thank you for contacting FanDuel Support, and thank you for your feedback, we truly appreciate it.
    The main reason we changed MLB scoring this season is that through extensive user feedback, we found that the majority of our users did not like the fact that hitters received negative points for Outs. The rest of the scoring is proportionally the same as it was last year, so the only actual change made was removing the negative scoring for hitters.
    We understand that there are many users who prefer the old scoring, and it is something we continue to evaluate on a daily basis. All user feedback is logged and passed along once received, and while we cannot guarantee that a change will be made, we maintain an open mind in regard to any major feature on our site. Should we opt for an alteration of the current scoring, we will be sure to alert our user base immediately.
    Thank you again for your helpful and constructive feedback, and please let me know if you have any further questions.
    Best,
    FD

    Sounds like there is no change happening soon

  • scsa1998

    @biggiesmails72 said...

    Hi GOAT DFS’er,
    Thank you for contacting FanDuel Support, and thank you for your feedback, we truly appreciate it.
    The main reason we changed MLB scoring this season is that through extensive user feedback, we found that the majority of our users did not like the fact that hitters received negative points for Outs. The rest of the scoring is proportionally the same as it was last year, so the only actual change made was removing the negative scoring for hitters.
    We understand that there are many users who prefer the old scoring, and it is something we continue to evaluate on a daily basis. All user feedback is logged and passed along once received, and while we cannot guarantee that a change will be made, we maintain an open mind in regard to any major feature on our site. Should we opt for an alteration of the current scoring, we will be sure to alert our user base immediately.
    Thank you again for your helpful and constructive feedback, and please let me know if you have any further questions.
    Best,
    FD

    Sounds like there is no change happening soon

    Does not sound like a change is coming. And like others i’m sure have said if its a matter of no negative points then does that mean that NBA will lose negatives for turnovers next year.

  • tvsfrink

    DK seems to be doing just fine without negative hitter stats, so obviously that’s not the problem here.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    Ya i don’t get the whole “it’s because of them removing negatives”. It’s not. Every current metric just needs to have a different decimal value added to it and all will be fine.

  • MikeSos760

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Ya i don’t get the whole “it’s because of them removing negatives”. It’s not. Every current metric just needs to have a different decimal value added to it and all will be fine.

    True. Could make hits 6.25, Walks 5.66, etc. That should create differentiation.

  • tgowen

    • Blogger of the Month

    @DaveNYC said...

    Gonna stop playing fanduels mlb product for the time being until they fix the scoring. I only play GPP and the amount of ties at the cash line is crazy. $2 contest last night with over 300 ties to win $1.51. So when you win you still lose. Taking away the negatives for outs was the dumbest thing, you could at least sweat out later games even if your lineup was finished. I never thought about the ties, but after seeing it in every single contest I’ve played, it’s terrible. Gonna put more action on Dk until they revert back

    The flip side of that is missing out on cashing altogether by an extremely small margin with a scoring system that penalizes outs. Sometimes something is better than nothing.

    Like most things, you take the good with the bad. Luckily, there are plenty of different options out there for everyone.

  • Meatacus

    I emailed FD before the start of the season complaining about the scoring change. I just don’t like the scoring system and don’t plan on playing MLB on FD this year.

  • Warriv

    Are you allowed to request a refund on the rake anytime a H2H ends up in a tie, or does your opponent need to have an identical lineup? Also, does each refund need to be requested individually?

  • meerkatmreow

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Ya i don’t get the whole “it’s because of them removing negatives”. It’s not.

    So the ties aren’t a result of the only actual change they made? Multiplying everything by 3 wasn’t a change, removing batter outs was.

  • Jaredmlevitt

    @Warriv said...

    Are you allowed to request a refund on the rake anytime a H2H ends up in a tie, or does your opponent need to have an identical lineup? Also, does each refund need to be requested individually?

    Has to be the same lineup.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    @meerkatmreow said...

    So the ties aren’t a result of the only actual change they made? Multiplying everything by 3 wasn’t a change, removing batter outs was.

    LOL so you think if they have outs for batters = -1 it will fix everything? Its not the outs its how they scored the outs as a decimal that has made the issue. If they would just make a single = 3.15, double = 6.27, triple = 9.38 etc all the ties more or less disappear.

    The negatives are not the issue the lack of decimal scoring is. (least as far as ties are concerned) This thread is not about if you like having negatives for outs or not.

  • deactivated84892

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Its not the outs its how they scored the outs as a decimal that has made the issue. If they would just make a single = 3.15, double = 6.27, triple = 9.38 etc all the ties more or less disappear.

    The negatives are not the issue the lack of decimal scoring is. (least as far as ties are concerned) This thread is not about if you like having negatives for outs or not.

    This is actually a very nice compromise. This would eliminate the tilt of going backwards due to negatives for outs and cut down on ties.

    I really hope someone at FanDuel takes note of this idea.

  • TeHDruiD

    Whatever it takes to eliminate all of these ties is what I want. If it’s negative points for out, cool. If it’s fractional points, cool. As it stands now, there are way too many similar scores coming from completely different lineups and it’s really hurting the product and to me is leaving a black eye on the industry. FD is already getting the rake from these contests and then on top of it, they’re paying fractions of the the prizes over thousands of entries. It just feels like we’re being robbed and part of me wants to say it was the plan for the change to this scoring format in the first place

    The core of fantasy sports is someone wins and someone loses, it’s not supposed to be the Oprah special where everyone gets a car

    Yes ties happen, but when you’re seeing the ridiculous amount of ties around/above the cash line there are issues. Big issues that should be addressed asap. I’m not much of a whiner, but I’m to the point where I’m going to have to take all of my MLB action to DK because at least their scoring system isn’t flawed to the point that there are a ridiculous amount of ties each slate

  • meerkatmreow

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    The negatives are not the issue the lack of decimal scoring is.

    Are you saying there’s a difference between being able to score 0.33, 0.66 and 1.0 for 1/3, 2/3 and 1 IP compared to 1, 2, 3? Because there isn’t. The only actual change compared to last year is the batter outs, multiplying everything by 3 has no effect on causing ties.

    While adding batter outs back in is one solution, it’s not required that there be decimals, just enough differences in scores to help resolve ties, but you don’t need a decimal for that necessarily. If you multiply your scores by 100, you aren’t going to magically create ties because you don’t have decimals

  • bucherpsu08

    @tvsfrink said...

    DK seems to be doing just fine without negative hitter stats, so obviously that’s not the problem here.

    DK’s pitcher scoring is much more complex (as it should be IMO). On FD, you’re only worried about K’s, runs given up, innings and potential win. That’s a gross over simplification of a very complex position. I understand why they do it because I’d assume the average fan doesn’t even know what WHIP, SIERA, xFIP, etc even stand for.

  • pmsimkins

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • 2015 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    @TeHDruiD said...

    FD is already getting the rake from these contests and then on top of it, they’re paying fractions of the the prizes over thousands of entries. It just feels like we’re being robbed and part of me wants to say it was the plan for the change to this scoring format in the first place

    You do realize that ties don’t effect FD’s bottom line. Paying $1000 to 1 person is the same as paying $1 to 1000 people. The latter would actually be more of a headache for them.

    Ties also don’t effect the players bottom line in the long run either.

    That being said, lots of ties are less fun in my opinion.

  • semobb1993

    Daily update:

    1,447-way tie on the money bubble in the main slate squeeze yesterday. Although those players did still profit $.23 per entry.
    322-way tie on the money bubble in the early 2-game slate squeeze yesterday. Those players profited $1.31 per entry.

    In both cases, those numbers represent approximately 2% of the total field in each tournament.

    158-way tie on the money bubble in the Survivor. (although it looks like that only resulted in 46 extra entries moving on.)

    Hey FD… Your problem with these ties isn’t going anywhere until you fix the scoring.

  • btwice80

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    The negatives are not the issue the lack of decimal scoring is.

    You’re talking about the same thing. The negatives are (were) the decimal scoring that reduced ties. The pitching scoring did not change. Getting 0.33 for 1/3 of an inning was the same as getting a whole point in the new system. You can still only tie with other teams whose pitcher also got lifted with one out in the inning.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    @meerkatmreow said...

    Are you saying there’s a difference between being able to score 0.33, 0.66 and 1.0 for 1/3, 2/3 and 1 IP compared to 1, 2, 3? Because there isn’t. The only actual change compared to last year is the batter outs, multiplying everything by 3 has no effect on causing ties.

    While adding batter outs back in is one solution, it’s not required that there be decimals, just enough differences in scores to help resolve ties, but you don’t need a decimal for that necessarily. If you multiply your scores by 100, you aren’t going to magically create ties because you don’t have decimals

    Of course there is a massive difference. When the final scores have to be a whole number you limit the total number of scores players can finish on. In MLB its between 0 and i guess 250 (ish) so there is a high probability that you will have ties. 40,000 entries 250 landing spots on a good day. But with decimal scoring you have 98 landing spots between every whole number (10-10.01- 10.14- 10.12-10.15-10.29 10.87 11 etc ) so instead of 250 landing spots there could be closer to 25k of them. Thus less ties.

  • glennantz

    How about this. 1B=3.25, 2B=6.50, 3B=9.75 then a HR is 12 or 13, whatever they want. This would help to break things up a bit.

  • meerkatmreow

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    between every whole number

    The number of landing spots between whole numbers is irrelevant in a vacuum. Is there a difference between the number of landing spots between 0 and 1 with scores that can increment by 0.01 and the number of landing spots between 0 and 100 with scores in increments of 1? Not at all. There are less potential scoring outcomes this year because they removed batter outs, not because they multiplied everything by three.

  • lpk8787

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    • 2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

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    How about they keep it simple? Go back to the scoring system from last year that included negative for outs and fractional scoring, they can still increase everything by 3… It will serve the purpose of higher scores that they want and reduce the ties.

  • FantasyFreakFFW

    @meerkatmreow said...

    The number of landing spots between whole numbers is irrelevant in a vacuum. Is there a difference between the number of landing spots between 0 and 1 with scores that can increment by 0.01 and the number of landing spots between 0 and 100 with scores in increments of 1? Not at all. There are less potential scoring outcomes this year because they removed batter outs, not because they multiplied everything by three.

    I think the biggest implication, and I’m sure this has been mentioned previously in this thread, is the removal of outs for batters created all batters equal who do not reach base via walk or hit. If they go 0-3 or 0-7, under the current scoring, both players receive 0. In this specific example, crediting each out as -.25, the 0-3 batter would have a -0.75 score while the 0-7 would be -1.75, thus reducing the likelihood of ties.

  • btwice80

    @pokerrob1970 said...

    Of course there is a massive difference.

    The ONLY difference in the scoring is for batters. The pitching scoring did not change. Again, if your pitcher gets lifted with one out in the inning, you can still only tie with teams with either that same pitcher or another one who got that extra point, or 0.33 the old way. The whole point and the 0.33 are the exact same.

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