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  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    It was a very small slate and its only been one day, but did anyone notice the huge amount of ties? I was in a 100 man league and ended up tied for 8th with 7 people. All of us had different rosters. Guess we will see how it goes after a few days but with the new scoring i think this might be the norm.

  • TeHDruiD

    @pmsimkins said...

    You do realize that ties don’t effect FD’s bottom line. Paying $1000 to 1 person is the same as paying $1 to 1000 people. The latter would actually be more of a headache for them.

    Ties also don’t effect the players bottom line in the long run either.

    That being said, lots of ties are less fun in my opinion.

    I never said it effected their bottom line, I said we’re getting robbed. Lets say without a tie for example you’d make $500, with the ties you’re making $100 (all example). You’re getting ripped off and it’s not right

    Or to simplify it, lets say in GPP’s you tie on the bubble for your $2 entry. You should be making $5, but instead you’re not even winning your entry fee back because 2000 people tied on the bubble. It’s horrible business and shady as hell. If your $2 entry nets you $1 as opposed to $5 if you make the cut how is that not effecting your bottom line? Sorry, I fail to understand how that’s not a huge negative

  • tvsfrink

    @TeHDruiD said...

    If your $2 entry nets you $1 as opposed to $5 if you make the cut how is that not effecting your bottom line?

    You’re only looking at the scenario where you would have finished in the money with different scoring. There’s also the scenario where you’d finish out of the money. Overall it might just even out and not affect your bottom line.

  • TeHDruiD

    So wtf are we arguing here then? People honestly think it’s alright to have 2000 people finishing on the bubble of these big gpp’s? If not, take a damn side on this issue so FanDuel can see that what they have going is flawed and we can get it fixed. Otherwise you’re wasting space arguing semantics for the sake of arguing

    The scoring is a joke, plain and simple. If you disagree that’s fine, but lets keep some of the more prominent arguments at the fore front and not clutter this up with this “my dad could beat up you dad” type arguing, it’s senseless (as I do the same thing lol, but you get my point)

  • tvsfrink

    I didn’t say it’s ok, I said it’s reasonable to see a way it wouldn’t affect your bottom line. You asked, I answered.

    If I was really arguing semantics, I probably would have also mentioned it’s “affect” not “effect.”

  • pmsimkins

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • 2015 FanDuel WFBBC Finalist

    @TeHDruiD said...

    So wtf are we arguing here then? People honestly think it’s alright to have 2000 people finishing on the bubble of these big gpp’s? If not, take a damn side on this issue so FanDuel can see that what they have going is flawed and we can get it fixed. Otherwise you’re wasting space arguing semantics for the sake of arguing

    The scoring is a joke, plain and simple. If you disagree that’s fine, but lets keep some of the more prominent arguments at the fore front and not clutter this up with this “my dad could beat up you dad” type arguing, it’s senseless (as I do the same thing lol, but you get my point)

    The problem is you brought this discussion down to the typical conspiracy theory stuff. What you said is simply mathematically incorrect. We aren’t arguing about it anymore than we’d be arguing had you claimed 2 + 2 = 5. If you finished tied on the bubble 100 times you would trend very closely to cashing 50 times and not cashing 50 times had there been no ties.

  • semobb1993

    Daily update:

    1,010-way tie on the money bubble in the early slate squeeze yesterday. (That’s over 3.6% of the field.) Those entries all lost $1.40 each.
    1,142-way tie on the money bubble in the main slate squeeze yesterday. (That’s just under 2% of the field.) Those entries did still turn a profit… $1.30 each.

    In the main slate, all the top 20 finishers were involved in some kind of tie, with the exception of 3rd place:

    2-way tie for 1st
    2-way tie for 4th
    3-way tie for 6th
    2-way tie for 9th
    8-way tie for 11th
    2-way tie for 19th

    This out of almost 58,000 entries.

    But hey… The fans wanted higher scoring!!!!!!!!!!!

  • xBenJamminx

    • Blogger of the Month

    This is terrible. The removal of negative are causing so many ties that there are 40 people splitting the top 20 Satellite tickets to the slam.

  • mannmicj

    @semobb1993 said...

    Daily update:

    1,010-way tie on the money bubble in the early slate squeeze yesterday. (That’s over 3.6% of the field.) Those entries all lost $1.40 each.
    1,142-way tie on the money bubble in the main slate squeeze yesterday. (That’s just under 2% of the field.) Those entries did still turn a profit… $1.30 each.

    In the main slate, all the top 20 finishers were involved in some kind of tie, with the exception of 3rd place:

    2-way tie for 1st
    2-way tie for 4th
    3-way tie for 6th
    2-way tie for 9th
    8-way tie for 11th
    2-way tie for 19th

    This out of almost 58,000 entries.

    But hey… The fans wanted higher scoring!!!!!!!!!!!

    Flat out embarrassing for FanDuel, yet they still do nothing. It’s called fractional scoring, not that complicated. Bring it back and problem is solved. Oh well, FanDuel probably won’t even notice the people moving to DK and Aces.

  • Matt McCaskill

    Agree….Not happy with all the ties. I have communicated my displeasure with Fan Duel twice, and all in agreement should do the same.

  • AWoo

    Early-Only Squeeze= 181 way Tie for 1st (180 man train)

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/15302/contests/15302-23912239/entries/464176348/scoring?entry=464178297

  • semobb1993

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In fairness, this would have happened, fractional scoring or not….

    Good day for 180-man train guy, that’s for sure.

  • sfg123abc

    @MikeSos760 said...

    Yeah I hate the new scoring system. I like the low scores on FD and the decimals and chance for negative. The negative scores makes the game a little more interesting.

    There is nothing more frustrating than being in the lead with 3 players left and the guy below you has 0 then your guys go 0-3 and you now are second.

  • TheBigM

    I’ve never played them before, but took a look at the $2 big double up from yesterday. Most of the players at the cash line didn’t even double up, winning $2.99.

    Would this have happened last year, is it a result of the change?

  • mannmicj

    @TheBigM said...

    I’ve never played them before, but took a look at the $2 big double up from yesterday. Most of the players at the cash line didn’t even double up, winning $2.99.

    Would this have happened last year, is it a result of the change?

    No it would not of happened last year and yes it is because of NOT having fractional scoring.

  • bohicabuddy

    • 984

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    • 2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    • 2018 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    Much better to tie with 10 people

  • Ryazan

    • x3

      2015 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • x2

      2015 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    #1 – tying on the cash line doesn’t help or hurt anyone, because the old way, half the time you’d min cash and the other half you’d get 0 back. Currently, you’re just in the middle of that every time.

    #2 I put 5 different lineups in last night, all of them entirely different (stacked completely different games) and 3 of them tied each other lol. So yea, that’s deff a problem either way, 3 lineups composed of 100% different offensive players should not be tying each other

  • chromebid

    If they don’t do something quick I’m out. Donating rake is getting old. So easy to change to a negative .25 for a batter striking out and the variance is back. Played 3 totally different lineups last night and all finished exactly the same points…

  • w3stcoastoff3ns3

    I’m new to baseball and I have not fell victim to any major ties, but damn I can understand how annoying that is. In every sport a player on both sides of the ball has a way lose points. Basketball; turnover, football; turnover or points allowed on defense. I do think FD needs to change this. Would make the game much better. I’m having fun with the sport now, but if they add that .25 for a SO, it will help a lot.

  • emac

    Perhaps instead of surveying me on what type of beer I would most strongly associate with FanDuel, they could survey me on the abomination that is their new MLB scoring system.

    Dear FanDuel,

    There are many good suggestions in this thread.

    TLDR – current MLB scoring leads to ties and is really not a good user experience…bring back fractional (positive and negative) scoring for some $*#&! differentiation please.

    Sincerely annoyed,

    EMac

  • biggiesmails72

    Me and my friends have been doing a 4 man league for fun this season, yesterday we all had very different lineups and 3 of us tied for first. Pretty funny stuff. I’m not sure these ties are -EV but they sap the fun out of it a bit for me

  • mannmicj

    @emac said...

    Perhaps instead of surveying me on what type of beer I would most strongly associate with FanDuel, they could survey me on the abomination that is their new MLB scoring system.

    Dear FanDuel,

    There are many good suggestions in this thread.

    TLDR – current MLB scoring leads to ties and is really not a good user experience…bring back fractional (positive and negative) scoring for some $*#&! differentiation please.

    Sincerely annoyed,

    EMac

    Sorry EMAC. FanDuel clearly doesn’t care.

    The longer this goes without change, the chances increase that FanDuel will just stay with this garbage scoring system. IMO.

  • semobb1993

    Daily (well, sorta) update:

    821-way tie on the money bubble in the early squeeze on Thursday. (1.9% of the field.)
    1,616-way tie on the money bubble in the main slate squeeze on Thursday. (2.8% of the field.)

    Three extraneous conditions will exacerbate the problem: small slates, low scoring days, and the number of pitchers in said slate that get pulled in the middle of an inning as opposed to between innings. The cash line in the early squeeze was 177, while the cash line in the main slate squeeze was only 123. Not a coincidence that almost a full percentage point of the field more finished on the bubble in the main slate.

    1,035 way tie on the money bubble in the squeeze yesterday. (1.4% of the field, cash line 147)
    83-way tie on the money bubble in yesterday’s Super Grand Slam. (That’s only 0.44% of the field… but before you get all excited, the cash line was 152. That’s a number that is NOT divisible by 3. Any time the cash line falls on one of these non-divisible-by-3 scores, the number of ties will be greatly reduced.)

  • RTLONG

    The new scoring on FD is dumb, I hate it so much I don’t play there anymore. I absolutely loved playing MLB there in the past. It’s extremely frustrating and disappointing to see that stupidity take place.

  • 1greatbuyz

    • x3

      2014 FanDuel WFFC Finalist

    • 2014 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @emac said...

    Perhaps instead of surveying me on what type of beer I would most strongly associate with FanDuel, they could survey me on the abomination that is their new MLB scoring system.

    According to their baseball scoring survey everyone wanted higher scores and no negatives. Anybody care to guess what will be on tap at their next live qualifier? Icehouse, Natty Light, Keystone??????

  • fadein34

    I knew before it started (i.e., when they announced it) this was an idiotic idea which is why I’m playing on DK.

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