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  • SpoWeezy

    Hey guys,

    I saw that FD sent out an NHL survey by email on 10/24 with questions about the new scoring system. I just took mine and entered the free roll with ~500 people in it, so i figured a decent amount of people in this community must of taken the same survey.

    If you guys don’t mind, I’d love to hear what kind of feedback you all gave them on the new scoring system. Just so I have an idea what they are basing their decisions on. If I’m in the minority on the rule changes then so be it, but would love to hear other thoughts on this.

    Thanks and GLGL this year.

  • deejones49

    @SpoWeezy said...

    Completely agree with this. There were a lot more swings up and down the standings with +\- involved. That was one of the most fun parts of playing.

    Deejones49 did you take the survey from yesterday?

    I did not get the NHL survey

  • deejones49

    @wisertime said...

    every year, I usually start off slow in FD hockey, but this year it’s been brutal for me. I don’t know if the scoring changes has anything to do with it , but after reading all the posts, I am starting to wonder. I seriously considering playing at DK, instead of FD, even though it’s basically the same as FD with lower scoring. FD hockey is starting feel similiar to buying a scratch off ticket.

    I think the top heavy payouts really hurts Tomorrows structure looks better

  • TheRyanFlaherty

    I got a similar survey from them last year, when they were phishing for opinions in ±, fwiw I voted to keep it but make it half a point, but i didn’t get this one.
    I wasn’t sure about the scoring changes, but they’ve made it more enjoyable for me. I feel there is less variance and I’ve been able to identify players better an have been more successful. I am however more of a casual NHL player so maybe I fit into the group they are trying to appease.

    My only complaint would be the insane amount of duplicate lineup/lineup provider sites that flock to FD since they don’t regulate it. I tend to notice it most in NHL since people want the “action” during the week and not do work.
    And I don’t know if this is good or bad, but they are awful when it comes to price adjustments. I don’t know if it’s an advantage or not to me when there are so many players underpriced…I think that may have more to do with it being “easy” then anything to do with the scoring changes.

  • Olhausen

    I for one absolutely don’t want the + – back. Love the new scoring system now!

  • wisertime

    @deejones49 said...

    I think the top heavy payouts really hurts Tomorrows structure looks better

    I agree. the payout structure has hurt me considerably. it’s been a lot harder to cash, and with the price increase to $3 on FD breakaway GPP, I bleed thru money too quick. on the survey, I mentioned this. every year since FD had hockey, I have been profitable, with each year better than the last, so far, I have had a hard time. my picks of course have been a problem, but, the payout structure hadn’t helped me either. this is the reason I will switch over to DK, and try out my luck. the payout structure seems to be a bit more friendly.

  • dude_abides7

    @wahnd said...

    Thanks. Hopefully someone from FD can post here and answer your well thought out questions.

    Unlikely

  • dude_abides7

    @TheRyanFlaherty said...

    got a similar survey from them last year, when they were phishing for opinions in ±, fwiw I voted to keep it but make it half a point, but i didn’t get this one. I wasn’t sure about the scoring changes, but they’ve made it more enjoyable for me. I feel there is less variance and I’ve been able to identify players better an have been more successful. I am however more of a casual NHL player so maybe I fit into the group they are trying to appease.

    My only complaint would be the insane amount of duplicate lineup/lineup provider sites that flock to FD since they don’t regulate it. I tend to notice it most in NHL since people want the “action” during the week and not do work.
    And I don’t know if this is good or bad, but they are awful when it comes to price adjustments. I don’t know if it’s an advantage or not to me when there are so many players underpriced…I think that may have more to do with it being “easy” then anything to do with the scoring changes.

    Good post.

    I honestly think the compromise position would have been to lessen +/- to .5 as supposed as eliminating it all together.

    I also had an hour chat with a few FD reps last year about the NHL product. They asked a bunch of “what if we did this…and what if we did that”. I was kinda blunt with them as I have been here. I suggested that the scoring system wasn’t this issue. It was the way they failed to monitor the playing pool and/or have contest size relevant to slate size. Also things like allowing 15 entries in an 100 man satty that gives out 3-5 tix. I mean come on…some of this was common sense.

    If I recall I suggested:

    - +/- from 1 to .5

    - Removal of PIM

    - Pay attention to the player pool so you don’t have 1st/2nd line forwards still missing 2 weeks after call up.

    - Pay attention that you don’t allow guys like Jamie Benn to be confused with Jordie and slot then as $3000 DEF.

    - Pay attention and adjust player salaries.

    - Bring back a WSOH final as well as keeping the KOTI

    - Occasional Survivor GPP tourneys

    - More single entry.

    *Already this year I have noticed that they have been too slow to add players to the pool, but in fairness they have been adjusting salaries it appears.
    *The removal of +/- creates a nonsensical extra bonus for PPG. This tells me that their whole process wasn’t very well thought out.
    *Blocked shots are stupid. (Or at least the value they are giving them.) As Spoweezy stated, BS typically goes against the skill sets of the players that score and set up goals.
    *It used to be if you picked a goalie that played great and still lost 2-1 you could survive. Now if you don’t pick up the winning goalie you might as well log out for the night.

  • wisertime

    one thing, the elimination of the +\- hurt the strategy of taking a chance on decent 3rd line. In the past, if you hit on the 3rd line , you always got a huge bonus in the plus minus because typically, 3rd line scoring was even strength. now it makes almost zero sense to even try that strategy, let alone playing a lot of second line players that don’t play on the power play.

  • bklucky13

    Took the survey and don’t mind the scoring system….really like the $2 3 entry GPP and asked for a 5 and 10 limit GPP at the same price or even at $3 or $5…really like the $7 GPP and wouldn’t mind a single entry GPP at the price too

  • TJF74

    +/- sucked last season. There was nothing more deflating than having your line out at the end with an empty net. You were staring at a – 3 . +/- is a team stat, not an individual stat.

    I wish they had $10,000+ GPP single entries at $1-5.

    Anybody can stack lines. It really comes down to picking the right 2 defensemen and goalie most nights.

  • SpoWeezy

    My response to this has always been that if I’m making the right picks then I would have the guys shooting at the empty net, not defending it, so I’d be staring at a +3 and possible goals and apples

  • Superflysupa

    If you trusted the process, you wouldn’t have to worry about the scoring changes.

  • wisertime

    @Superflysupa said...

    If you trusted the process, you wouldn’t have to worry about the scoring changes.

    the process has become to play max entrees in GPPs, when the costs for GPPs entries keep increasing, the people with smaller bankrolls end up playing less entries which in turn caters to the people who play max entries. unless the max entries are further limited, the smaller bankrolled players will eventually have very little chance to compete in GPPs especially if entry fees and contest sizes continue to get bigger

  • tristanwolf

    Agree with those who don’t like the goalie scoring. If a goalie plays great , loses 1-0, Hes gonna get about 20 points while his opponent gets like 45? And guys who win 5-4 will end up with around 20 also.
    Doesnt seem right. Reduce the win and so points.

  • ancientalien

    Wiser,
    I agree w everything youve said in this thread. The Breakaway going to $3 from $2 has hurt me as a 10-15 entry guy. I used to grind out a few thousand a yr in profit. Win a couple gpps funded my season and let me take home some nice coin. This season? No bueno. Never used to play cash, but find myself having to to not bleed too much. Perhaps, it’s on me doing a better job adjusting, but it seems top heavy this yr more than ever.

  • wisertime

    @ancientalien said...

    Wiser,
    I agree w everything youve said in this thread. The Breakaway going to $3 from $2 has hurt me as a 10-15 entry guy. I used to grind out a few thousand a yr in profit. Win a couple gpps funded my season and let me take home some nice coin. This season? No bueno. Never used to play cash, but find myself having to to not bleed too much. Perhaps, it’s on me doing a better job adjusting, but it seems top heavy this yr more than ever.

    Ancient, last night I decided to up my entries from the 30 – 40 I typically have played this year in the $3 FD breakaway, to 90 entries. call it luck or coincidence, but I took 4th and 5th place last night. because of the bigger account drain by increasing the FD breakaway from $2 to $3. I really do think the NHL GPPs are even more tilted towards the max entry guys, because the smaller players will drain there accounts a lot quicker now before hitting a nice win. I really believe FD should lower the max entries to 80 – 100 in the big GPPs to even the playing field. just my opinion, I am sure some people will disagree.

  • wisertime

    After the crazy amount of goals in the first week of the NHL season, scoring seems to be slowing down a bit. that helps players that don’t play max entries since it makes it more of a pickers game. lower scoring games makes it easier to cash if a person is decent at picking the right games. I am glad not every game this past week was a 4-3 game. it’s nice when you can fade some big lines and they actually don’t score.

  • bklucky13

    I wish Fanduel/DraftKings had more 3 and 5 max hockey GPPs….So much more of an even playing field.

  • umwoz

    Would love to see more 3 and 5 max tourneys.

  • msr427

    Here’s a question WHEN DO WE GET AN ANSWER FROM DK OR FD ABOUT OUR QUESTIONS????? This one way street communication is fugazi and the fact that they don’t have to answer for their actions in any situation is mind boggling. Now withe supposed merger could spell doom for DFS as we knew it. I thought monopolies where illegal but I guess you play Yahoo DFS if u can actually find the DFS site on yahoo.

  • wisertime

    @bklucky13 said...

    I wish Fanduel/DraftKings had more 3 and 5 max hockey GPPs….So much more of an even playing field.

    I agree. those type of contests make it more of a picking game as opposed just covering as many combinations as possible. I do hope the NHL scoring trends lower. that I believe, helps even the playing field a bit to atleast cash if one doesn’t play a gazillion entries.

  • Orangina

    Whoa. I just came across this forum and I gotta say, it’s super weird to see Spoweezy and Seymour Twine on here. I’m used to always seeing you guys beating me on FD, it’s weird thinking about you as actual humans lol (I can’t even count the amount of times I’ve said to myself, “damn you, SpoWeezy!!”) I’m probably a step or two (or three or four) below you guys in terms of lifetime winnings, but I did manage to take 1st in a couple of GPPs over the last year or two.

    I didn’t get the most recent NHL survey, but I did take the one they sent out at the end of last season when they were proposing some of these changes. Don’t remember what I even said. But yeah, this new scoring system really has me scratching my head this year. Not only that, but like others have mentioned, the move to $3 from $2 and the payout structure is making it impossible for me to maintain any sort of momentum on FD this season. I’m still playing pretty regularly, but much more conservatively and my top-100/top-50 finishes aren’t enough to make my money back on most nights. And that 1st place $10,000 looks great on paper, but is it taking away from other people in the top 100 who deserve a bigger piece of the pie when they finish with a great lineup? It seems to be.

    What really bugs me about the new scoring system is the 0.5 pts for PP points, when a goal itself is worth 12 and an apple 8. It makes scoring on the PP almost completely inconsequential. It should be +3-4 for PPG and +2 for PPA or something. 0.5 is a joke. And taking away +/- makes stacking really tricky. Now it’s more like “pick the goal scorers” instead of strategizing based on matchups and knowing the lineups each night, which I think a lot of the more experienced players are probably getting frustrated with.

    If something doesn’t give soon, I’ll probably find myself trying out DK as well.

  • Olhausen

    And now it appears DK has permanently done away with the 3$ sniper and instead is going with the 4$ forecheck. It’s impossible for low dollar players to have a chance anymore!

  • Canuckage

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    @Olhausen said...

    And now it appears DK has permanently done away with the 3$ sniper and instead is going with the 4$ forecheck. It’s impossible for low dollar players to have a chance anymore!

    I believe the $3 Sniper didn’t fill up a few times so maybe that is why they switched to $4 so it would take less entries to fill up. Last season I played strictly on DK firing 20-50 entries at $3 but this season the payout was so awful that I switched over to FD for the $3-$5 tournaments. I truly believe the $3 Sniper would fill up again if it wasn’t like 50k GTD and only 1.5k up top.

  • dude_abides7

    @Canuckage said...

    I believe the $3 Sniper didn’t fill up a few times so maybe that is why they switched to $4 so it would take less entries to fill up.

    And that is because the users thought the payout structure was crap. It wasn’t because the player base didn’t want to play that $3 Sniper contest. Honestly, these sites have their head up their ass.

    FD’s $3 Breakaway is useless at this point as well. That is unless you plan on playing MME every night and then sure, you may be able to bink a Top 10 finish and win your money back in the long run. Playing 4-6 LU’s in no longer a viable option for that contest either. FD needs to level out payouts to at least include the Top 100 with a solid payout.

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