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  • Gregdelt11

    so this is my first post ever in a few years but I am legitimately bummed out about this
    I knew it was only a matter of days with how the Casino industry has blown up in Pennsylvania.
    anyone from Westmoreland County that can go give this guy a swift kick in the butt?

    http://abc27.com/2015/10/16/pennsylvania-considers-limiting-fantasy-sports-gambling/

  • paulmsr

    right now the bill thats being initiated says only the 12 licensed casinos can run it.

  • Scott121422

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    http://www.pennsylvaniagambler.com/rep-george-dunbar-wants-to-make-daily-fantasy-sports-legal-in-pa/

    This seems really dumb, So i would have to travel to Pittsburgh to play DFS

    Pennsylvania Representative George Dunbar is a proponent of daily fantasy sports (DFS) and has sponsored a bill which would clarify the legality of the industry by making it explicitly legal. He believes that fantasy sports are legal in the Commonwealth, but that state laws leave room for doubt. For this reason, he says that Pennsylvania casinos do not offer daily fantasy, and are losing out on potential customers.

    Dunbar, an avid fantasy sports player, understands that profit margins in the DFS industry are not especially high. He believes that by offering daily fantasy contests, casinos can attract some of the sought-after “millennial” demographic, which would hopefully stop by and play other casino games during their visit.

    “They’ve been very vocal about finding alternatives to stay competitive with all the neighboring states that have opened casinos, Ohio and Maryland,” Dunbar said. “They know they’re not going to make a lot of money on this. This is essentially collecting money and distributing what they collect. It’s about attracting people to the casino.”

    He specifically highlights the Rivers Casino which sits on top of the Pittsburgh Steelers home of Heinz Field. The inclusion of DFS might attract more fans to the stadium to watch the games while they bet on their favorite players.

  • habes1289

    The above definitely leaves the option open for a sponsorship/partnership opportunity with the DFS sites themselves, which I think would be a mutually beneficial solution.

    Ultimately the casinos/PA would need some rake of some sort, but there is a compromise in there to keep PA a viable state for DFS.

  • Heywood9855

    @Scott121422 said...

    http://www.pennsylvaniagambler.com/rep-george-dunbar-wants-to-make-daily-fantasy-sports-legal-in-pa/

    Pennsylvania Representative George Dunbar is a proponent of daily fantasy sports (DFS) and has sponsored a bill which would clarify the legality of the industry by making it explicitly legal. He believes that fantasy sports are legal in the Commonwealth, but that state laws leave room for doubt. For this reason, he says that Pennsylvania casinos do not offer daily fantasy, and are losing out on potential customers.

    Dunbar, an avid fantasy sports player, understands that profit margins in the DFS industry are not especially high. He believes that by offering daily fantasy contests, casinos can attract some of the sought-after “millennial” demographic, which would hopefully stop by and play other casino games during their visit.

    “They’ve been very vocal about finding alternatives to stay competitive with all the neighboring states that have opened casinos, Ohio and Maryland,” Dunbar said. “They know they’re not going to make a lot of money on this. This is essentially collecting money and distributing what they collect. It’s about attracting people to the casino.”

    He specifically highlights the Rivers Casino which sits on top of the Pittsburgh Steelers home of Heinz Field. The inclusion of DFS might attract more fans to the stadium to watch the games while they bet on their favorite players.

    So would that mean I would have to go to the Sands in Bethlehem to set my lineups?

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @Heywood9855 said...

    So would that mean I would have to go to the Sands in Bethlehem to set my lineups?

    That would be asinine and why we need to get clarity. It would be foolish to only allow casinos to operate them because of the shrinking player pool.

  • paulmsr

    Heywood im pretty sure thats what that means since online gaming hasnt hit PA yet

  • seth1374

    Here is a link to the members of the General Assembly if we as DFS members can get organized and write a couple of them to express are concerns. Instead of everyone bitching and complaining we can actually do something here is the link:
    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/home/member_information/mbrList.cfm?body=H&sort=alpha

  • QQSTUKIE

    @Heywood9855 said...

    So would that mean I would have to go to the Sands in Bethlehem to set my lineups?

    Yes!

  • CP1

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    Yep. Live in Westmoreland county…at least for another week.

  • depalma13

    @paulmsr said...

    only plus DFS has compared to the death of poker is that the biggest companies in this country are involved with large investments. and we all know those companies make the decisions for the government

    Big companies make bad decisions all the time. Just look at News Corps purchase of myspace.

  • mistermoneybags

    Few…if any…DFS players are going to travel to a casino just to play DFS. And they certainly aren’t going to patronize the other casino games if only out of spite. This politician is so full of s*** he can’t tell his a** from his elbow.

    But what should I expect from a state that is so deep in the stone age that they continue to make it problematic to buy a six-pack of beer.

  • Gregdelt11

    http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/cteeInfo/index.cfm?Code=54&CteeBody=H

    And guys here is a list of the specific members on the gaming oversight committee who will be making the initial vote.

  • actingnurse

    @PJGuin23 said...

    I’m in Philly. Wonder how my Rep will vote?

    call them and tell them how they SHOULD vote… if enough do it, they will vote how we want.

  • paulmsr

    that’s positive thinking and how our government should work but in reality……

  • hammer74

    DFS in penn RIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • wcweyman24

    Penn National controls a lot in this state, they will have the final say. There are current and former employees of Penn National in the PA Capitol. I said PA wouldn’t be too far away in the Nevada thread yesterday, my wife is a reporter in the Harrisburg area that covers state government affairs. Penn National has been crying poor over DFS since last year, this so called scandal was just the icing on the cake for them. Also, deep inside the law that was passed to allow casinos, is a non compete agreement with them, that’s why it is so hard just to obtain a temporary small games of chance license now in PA. Hell Penn National owns, insures and leases a lot of the state buildings to Pennsylvania through different entities, Comcast doesn’t have that kind of power. Also, the only sports team that capitol cares about is Penn State.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @wcweyman24 said...

    Penn National controls a lot in this state, they will have the final say. There are current and former employees of Penn National in the PA Capitol. I said PA wouldn’t be too far away in the Nevada thread yesterday, my wife is a reporter in the Harrisburg area that covers state government affairs. Penn National has been crying poor over DFS since last year, this so called scandal was just the icing on the cake for them. Also, deep inside the law that was passed to allow casinos, is a non compete agreement with them, that’s why it is so hard just to obtain a temporary small games of chance license now in PA. Hell Penn National owns, insures and leases a lot of the state buildings to Pennsylvania through different entities, Comcast doesn’t have that kind of power. Also, the only sports team that capitol cares about is Penn State.

    Penn National is piss in the wind compared to Comcast.

  • wcweyman24

    @PJGuin23 said...

    Penn National is piss in the wind compared to Comcast.

    We shall see sir, we shall see. Comcast might be a bigger company, but when it comes to power in this state, ask any of your local politicians who has more power. Their answer is gonna be Penn National, guaranteed, that company has the ability to hit the states bottom line in a hurry, and has votes from current employees holding seats at the head table. I’ll reiterate, Comcast does not have that kind of power. Power doesn’t matter anyway, if they consider this gambling, the law says they owe the casinos one.

  • AtGame7

    @wcweyman24 said...

    We shall see sir, we shall see. Comcast might be a bigger company, but when it comes to power in this state, ask any of your local politicians who has more power. Their answer is gonna be Penn National, guaranteed, that company has the ability to hit the states bottom line in a hurry, and has votes from current employees holding seats at the head table. I’ll reiterate, Comcast does not have that kind of power. Power doesn’t matter anyway, if they consider this gambling, the law says they owe the casinos one.

    You may ultimately be right, but it will be for all the wrong reasons. Penn National is a rounding error compared to Comcast in this state. Maybe Penn National has former employees with a vote or is in the pocket of the voters, but there are no two ways about it, nobody gives a shit what Penn National thinks, says or does.

    Maybe you have friends there or something that is clouding your opinion, but the reality is Comcast is a giant in this state and certainly in Philadelphia. Penn National, not so much.

    Having said that, I think we lose DFS next week here in PA.

  • PJGuin23

    DFS Tax Guru

    @wcweyman24 said...

    We shall see sir, we shall see. Comcast might be a bigger company, but when it comes to power in this state, ask any of your local politicians who has more power. Their answer is gonna be Penn National, guaranteed, that company has the ability to hit the states bottom line in a hurry, and has votes from current employees holding seats at the head table. I’ll reiterate, Comcast does not have that kind of power. Power doesn’t matter anyway, if they consider this gambling, the law says they owe the casinos one.

    Read on philly com, the possibility of the casinos for partnership with FD is open.

  • jepst14

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    I did post this in another forum but felt it was relevant for this pa forum as well with a smh….

    I think its funny (in pa) that they are discussing a ban in pa but at any point i can gamble on horse races nation wide online without a hiccup (xpressbet.com). I think it is gambling to some extent. I feel that i am putting up my entry fee with my own picks that i selected based on the research i conducted to outperform everyone else. Although usually the outcome varies in the end it was my decision and my research and time to select those players. I mean don’t get me wrong, luck is a little involved in the results, but not as much as many may believe imo. That is not the case in poker or other casino games. In that situation I rely on luck and some skill to hopefully do well on how the dice are rolled or the cards that are drawn. Obviously putting up money to attempt to get a return is gambling, but you are wagering entry fees on your time, research, money and experience. I don’t understand how I can go online, deposit on xpressbet, gamble on horses in california (based on odds and names) and that be legal.

  • paulmsr

    dont know what Penn National would be crying about, there’s no way DFS is hurting them

  • paulmsr

    if anything Penn National is crying like the casinos in Vegas they’re jealous cause they didnt come up with it so they have no piece of the action

  • mistermoneybags

    Regarding Penn National vs. Comcast…Comcast’s affiliation with/investment in DFS is a drop in the bucket compared to their overall operations. For Penn National, this issue is much more fundamental. I’m not saying it should be, but you aren’t thinking this through if you think Comcast has anywhere near the skin in this game as Penn National, or the incentive to involve themselves further.

  • AtGame7

    @mistermoneybags said...

    but you aren’t thinking this through if you think Comcast has anywhere near the skin in this game as Penn National, or the incentive to involve themselves further.

    You are correct, but that isn’t what we are disagreeing about. Certainly this is about survival for Penn National and a write off for Comcast.

    I’ve got much more vested in DFS than the lady next door who only goes to bingo but that doesn’t mean my vote matters at all.

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