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  • KardiacKids

    New serious DFS player here. I’m going to start using FIP for pitchers and wOBA for hitters looking at handedness and home/away splits. Good strategy? Any others I should look at? This is fun!!

  • CrazyGabey

    Those are both definite pieces of the puzzle, but be careful especially with FIP. Sometimes ERA is different than the ERA indicators for a reason.

  • KardiacKids

    Thanks for the reply, Gabey!! Can you clarify the ERA comment? Hey, I listened to your podcast yesterday. Fantastic stuff! Funny and super informative. Guess what? I had your “sneaky stack” of the Mets before I heard your pick in a small 300 person field .25 tourney yesterday on DK. I nearly jumped through the roof as a new player! I didn’t cash there, but my thinking was sound. I also picked Lincecum and Gray yesterday in a 50/50.I cashed there and won a heads up on FD, so yesterday I netted $1.35! Woohoo! Sorry about longwindedness but I’d thought I’d share my successes with you. I will be listening to your podcast whenever I can. Great stuff! Peace out.

  • FrancisBooth

    I like to compare both xfip and era with a few other stats for pitching. I was very stubborn and set in my ways the last three seasons and only recently did I make the switch to more advanced stats. It takes a lot more time but my results have been better by a wide margin.

  • biggiesmails72

    @KardiacKids said...

    Can you clarify the ERA comment?

    FIP is used to determine how good a pitcher has been, taking out things like defense. The problem with this is, sometimes a team just does have a bad defense and a pitchers ERA will suffer because of it. So when you look at a players FIP, just keep in mind that if a players team defense is trash, he may be pitching well, but his ROS stats may be more similar to ERA than FIP because of the bad defense.

    For wOBA you also have to take in account a players BABIP and if hes getting lucky or not

  • nawmsayin

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    Well also, high FB% pitchers like chris young consistently outperform FIP and xFIP especially. Partly due to sacrificing K’s for flyballs and as it pertains particularly to xFIP high FB pitchers actually give up less HR/FB than GB pitchers…

    As gabey said, there are lots of other stats that pertain to the context of FIP, xFIP and ERA…There are no steadfast one or two statistics to properly gauge a pitcher’s performance. A lot of people point to BABIP as one but many fail to realize LOB% can also be just as helpful in showing a P has over/underperformed.

    Really you should be using everything you can. Batted ball stats like GB, FB, and LD percentage, SOFT% and HARD% are new on FG but should be useful. Plate discipline stats like OSWING% and SWINGSTRK% are very helpful in predicting K%. You can look for velocity and movement consistency, as well as release points. This isnt even to mention the importance of Catcher Framing stats, Umpire stats, Ballpark Factors (Not just HR but those with bigger foul territory are also better), the defense behind a P, the opposing P and how likely a win is, how a manager uses his bullpen and how effective a bullpen is in holding a lead…There really is so much you can easily get lost in it all but I honestly feel like using everything at your disposal is the best way to get an edge

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