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  • Avgplayer

    Thoughts?

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  • Avgplayer

    @jmo26 said...

    While I fully agree with Tipandpick, Daniel Wallach is a clown (see: OTL appearance). There are far better resources for getting your information.

    Just build better lineups.

  • 63TMB

    @tonytone1908 said...

    I’m saying the $5-20/week players ruined it for the rest of us. Without the sharks and their scripts and their 1000’s of entries, we don’t have a game that’s even worth playing.

    You should have complained to the FSTA who were really the only ones capable probably of making the changes you were looking for.

    Not true. There are many players who play just cash games and not big gpp

  • srolleDFS

    @Avgplayer said...

    Improve Many? How many? We all have ask for the list of the many who are allowed scripts. Check the kcannon thread.
    We have yet to hear back concerning the list but their response to kcannon’s script was asinine. FD response was there was miscommunication on his script approval.

    All they have to do so there is no more miscommunication,no guessing of who has approval. Use only scripts that their sites provide. The END

    look in the chrome store yourself. the rg draftkings tool has 3710 users.

    i think saying “The END” was a bit deceptive bc you only waited 2 minutes before moving on to troll jmo26.

  • jesse3250

    No I don’t but at least you know where you stand.

  • kdriskell311

    @tonytone1908 said...

    I’m saying the $5-20/week players ruined it for the rest of us. Without the sharks and their scripts and their 1000’s of entries, we don’t have a game that’s even worth playing.

    You should have complained to the FSTA who were really the only ones capable probably of making the changes you were looking for.

    So you are saying that you’d prefer people that only play $20 not play, because they don’t help the pots? You’d rather just have 250 professionals each playing 1000 lineups?

    Makes sense.

  • Avgplayer

    @srolleDFS said...

    look in the chrome store yourself. the rg draftkings tool has 3710 users.

    i think saying “The END” was a bit deceptive bc you only waited 2 minutes before moving on to troll jmo26.

    Ok lets use your numbers of 3710 users. Lets say there are 100,000 people playing dfs. That would mean just under 4% have access or that want to use scripts on RG.

    Now facts…. We all know there is well over 100,000 users playing dfs, we also know that the % aware of RG is small. We also know that several players use there own scripts sooooooooooooo

    IF THE SITES THAT ALLOW SCRIPTS PROVDE THEIR SCRIPTS AND THEIR SCRIPTS ALONE
    we can talk about building better lineups.

    The End of the story.

  • tipandpick

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    @tonytone1908 said...

    So what’s the difference between what RG offers and what you want the sites to give you?

    If the sites offer a singular script that is on the front page of that site, 100% of the people playing on that site will have access to said script by virtue of being on that site. No single player would have a faster car to take to the race and, therefore, we’d all be playing from the same starting ground.

    The RG script is found here, where probably < 10% of the larger DFS population, know of its existence…so to assume that everybody has equal access is incorrect.

    Furthermore, the functionality offered by the RG script, while much improved over the original version, is in no way comparable to what some of the scripts being run by the high-rollers can do…so even the RG script is less than optimal (although more optimal than having no script at all).

  • yeahthisiscuddy

    @srolleDFS said...

    you sound like a batman villain.

    u cant “flippantly disregard”. if u r ignoring something u cant be flippant. dk aint your brother or your dad or your roommate.

    you are a customer. you chose to continue being a customer. if people had actually stop playing at sites they didnt like, this would have been avoided. because thats how businesses work. instead, all the whining and complaining is endangering the future of dfs.

    I actually chose to stop being a customer. I don’t like the idea of my entry fees being sucked up by sharks that are allowed free reign to deploy their computer code that enters them in to every contest.

    I predicted earlier that the sites insistence on catering to this small subset of the playing population would bring an end to dfs, through either increased regulation or wide-scale casual player attrition. So far its looking like I was right.

    Your continued insistence that the fault lies with me for voicing my complaints instead of the sites that allowed this to happen isn’t helping anything either. Just because you’re blind to the problem doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

  • tonytone1908

    @kdriskell311 said...

    So you are saying that you’d prefer people that only play $20 not play, because they don’t help the pots? You’d rather just have 250 professionals each playing 1000 lineups?

    Makes sense.

    I never said that. I said it’s the people that were too lazy to find their own $1 H2H’s so decided to cry about it instead are going to ruin it for all of us. That all the whining and complaining was done in the wrong place when these issues should of been brought up to the FSTA instead of public forum which is only giving evidence for the government to shut DFS down.

  • srolleDFS

    @Avgplayer said...

    Ok lets use your numbers of 3710 users. Lets say there are 100,000 people playing dfs. That would mean just under 4% have access or that want to use scripts on RG.

    Now facts…. We all know there is well over 100,000 users playing dfs, we also know that the % aware of RG is small. We also know that several players use there own scripts sooooooooooooo

    IF THE SITES THAT ALLOW SCRIPTS PROVDE THEIR SCRIPTS AND THEIR SCRIPTS ALONE
    we can talk about building better lineups.

    The End of the story.

    its not my number its in the chrome store. its really hard to carry on a discussion with you, when u dont even bother to read the posts before launching in to troll-mode.

    i dont really care about telling you to build better lineups, honestly. there’s no guarantee that you will win playing dfs, and if you want to keep playing dfs, while not really wanting to put in the effort to win, i respect your decision. i understand that lots of people want to play dfs for lots of different reasons. yours seem to mainly be masochistic, but im cool with that. i just wish you wouldnt complain so much.

  • browns79

    @srolleDFS said...

    its not my number its in the chrome store. its really hard to carry on a discussion with you, when u dont even bother to read the posts before launching in to troll-mode.

    i dont really care about telling you to build better lineups, honestly. there’s no guarantee that you will win playing dfs, and if you want to keep playing dfs, while not really wanting to put in the effort to win, i respect your decision. i understand that lots of people want to lay dfs for lots of different reasons. yours seem to mainly be masochistic, but im cool with that. i just wish you wouldnt complain so much

    Just build better lineups

  • tonytone1908

    @tipandpick said...

    If the sites offer a singular script that is on the front page of that site, 100% of the people playing on that site will have access to said script by virtue of being on that site. No single player would have a faster car to take to the race and, therefore, we’d all be playing from the same starting ground.

    The RG script is found here, where probably < 10% of the larger DFS population, know of its existence…so to assume that everybody has equal access is incorrect.

    Furthermore, the functionality offered by the RG script, while much improved over the original version, is in no way comparable to what some of the scripts being run by the high-rollers can do…so even the RG script is less than optimal (although more optimal than having no script at all).

    So… somebody that wants to win wants to make it easier for the less talented and skillful people to beat them? ROFLMAO Are you serious right now? Instead of putting in your own work and research and LU building, and game matching, you just want someone else to do it for you? Everyone has access to the RG script they’re just too lazy to search for it or pay for it!

    There’s a reason it’s a game of SKILL, remember? If everybody had the script you want them to have it will just be a game of luck.

    No matter what changes come about someone with skill will find an advantage again. That’s just how it works. It will never ever be an even playing field and if it was why would you bother to play anymore?

  • tonytone1908

    @yeahthisiscuddy said...

    I actually chose to stop being a customer. I don’t like the idea of my entry fees being sucked up by sharks that are allowed free reign to deploy their computer code that enters them in to every contest.

    I predicted earlier that the sites insistence on catering to this small subset of the playing population would bring an end to dfs, through either increased regulation or wide-scale casual player attrition. So far its looking like I was right.

    Your continued insistence that the fault lies with me for voicing my complaints instead of the sites that allowed this to happen isn’t helping anything either. Just because you’re blind to the problem doesn’t mean it isn’t there.

    Again. Nobody forced you to play sharks. You could have found your own fish and you’re mad you don’t have the ability to catch the same fish. BUT! You want to make sure these casual players you want to beat keep playing. OK. You really have nothing to complain about in the first place and you’re just making it worse for the rest of us.

  • Putz

    @tipandpick said...

    Scripting could be still allowed IF the sites generated one for themselves that ALL players had access to. That would allow all players to start from a common ground with no individual having more access to additional functionality (i.e., bum hunting, overlay searches, mass editing, etc) than the next guy.

    But then this would not be called a script, it would be called a website functional enhancement and be integrated into the website. Some sites are better at updating than others, so I will leave it at that.

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  • BobGrinder

    @tonytone1908 said...

    Didn’t you read my post?

    They allow scripting for all for entering but not editing or canceling. If they gave everyone that ability, which is what people want, it could make a mess of the games. You would have teams of people hoarding all the entries and then dumping them last minute in hopes that not only do that not fill, which I’m sure they wouldn’t, but there would be MASSIVE overlay. GPP’s only filled 20% of the way would kill the sites pretty quick. They know the pros won’t do this, or at least I’m sure they’re monitored on this more.

    This is what you guys really want?

    You might want to actually read some of the ToS’s you’ve agreed to, if you had you’d know they give the sites the right to invalidate a contest if they think something like what you suggest happens and trust me that would be so obvious Ray Charles would see if from half way around the globe.

  • tonytone1908

    @Putz said...

    But then this would not be called a script, it would be called a website functional enhancement and be integrated into the website. Some sites are better at updating than others, so I will leave it at that.

    Then when it doesn’t work correctly you just set yourself up for all kinds of issues and complaints.

    “I would have won but the script didn’t work so I couldn’t make any lineups at all. I can’t believe they expected me to do it on my own.”

  • tonytone1908

    @BobGrinder said...

    You might want to actually read some of the ToS’s you’ve agreed to, if you had you’d know they give the sites the right to invalidate a contest if they think something like what you suggest happens and trust me that would be so obvious Ray Charles would see if from half way around the globe.

    Which would essentially lead to no games at all which was my point. I see what you’re saying but you have to agree, if everyone were able to use scripts, either the sites or their own, that games could get really played around with if people wanted them to.

  • Bay101

    I have 10 friends that play DSF 8 just found out what scripting was. 7 quit saying not fair. How many others around the world not playing because of scripting? I still play because I am hooked and a degen gambler. Get rid of scripting and there will be less sharks and more fish like me.

  • BobGrinder

    @tonytone1908 said...

    Which would essentially lead to no games at all which was my point. I see what you’re saying but you have to agree, if everyone were able to use scripts, either the sites or their own, that games could get really played around with if people wanted them to.

    Realistically it would take millions of dollars worth of setup money and thousands of accounts to try and take down a serious score.

    Even if you go after the $70k quarter arcade you’d need over $80 grand plus over 1600 accounts just to set it up. Then you’d have to leave nearly $17 grand in play which you’ll never get back after doing your time for fraud.

    No matter how low you go you’d get busted, there is no avoiding leaving a trail. You are tilting at windmills.

  • tonytone1908

    @BobGrinder said...

    Realistically it would take millions of dollars worth of setup money and thousands of accounts to try and take down a serious score.

    Even if you go after the $70k quarter arcade you’d need over $80 grand plus over 1600 accounts just to set it up. Then you’d have to leave nearly $17 grand in play which you’ll never get back after doing your time for fraud.

    No matter how low you go you’d get busted, there is no avoiding leaving a trail. You are tilting at windmills.

    You could easily do this with the FD home run for instance. A group of 10 or 20 people could do it no problem. I understand it wouldn’t be easy or without it’s pitfalls or paper trail but doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen. My only point was that I could see why only certain people were allowed to use their own scripts before the TOS changed. Without scripts we would never have these size prize pools either.

  • BobGrinder

    I don’t play on FD but I don’t need to know anything about their home run to know if 10 or 20 people could do it…THEY DON’T…NEED…SCRIPTS…

  • MickOverlast

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  • britdevine

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    The sites and top players were/are SOOOO GREEDY, just get rid of the damn scripting

  • THEKARATEKID

    Would have been nice if as requested, the Big Boy Sites had routinely offered Drafts for some of us Minnows, and separate games down in the deep end for Sharks that want to employ programs, scripting, unlimited lineups, etc. Of course, this would have Eliminated the vicious gorging that occurs on a daily basis in DFS. Every time someone new arrives to play DFS, I am reminded of the scene in “The Shawshank Redemption” where Tim Robbins does his long walk into the prison. The DFS Sharks are watching and waiting. “He didn’t make a sound”.

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