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  • jon2anderson

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    How many full-time DFS players are on here? I’m curious as to how that works. How much money are you typically risking in a day? How do you disperse it between cash and tournaments? Isn’t that kinda scary? How consistently are you making significant amounts of money?

    I’m fascinated with full-timers (I have a job in IT that I like and pays well… and my girlfriend/family would dump me if I quit my job to play fantasy sports, but still), if anybody would like to mentor me that’d be a blast.

  • millerto

    I can’t imagine how stressed/pissed I would be if I tried this for a living.

  • Shipmymoney

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    I don’t quite count because I’m in law school, but dfs is my sole source of income. I average around $6-700 in buyins a day, sometimes considerably more. Purely GPP. Swings are stressful (lost like 10k during finals because i didn’t have time to do my research but insisted on playing mid-high stakes) but over time it works out for me

  • bruyns

    Haven’t worked since OCT 24th and play NHL and NBA. Have had success the last two years and am leaving for basic training to become a pilot in the Canadian military on January 16th. Knowing I have this upcoming job that pays well I decided to not work and play DFS. I spend about 1-2 hours constructing lineups and bet $100-250 a night. My profit this season is sitting around $5000 so I am very happy how it has gone over the last two months considering that was how much I made all of last NBA/NHL season with less wagered per night.

    I play predominantly double ups and will enter some small GPPs. I have started playing the $25 NBA tourney on Draftpot and have won it 3 times in the last two weeks. Only other big win is 4th in a $3 DK NBA GPP for $750. Most of my money is from consistently winning my double ups every night with very few losing nights.

  • Master_JJ

    @bruyns said...

    Haven’t worked since OCT 24th and play NHL and NBA. Have had success the last two years and am leaving for basic training to become a pilot in the Canadian military on January 16th. Knowing I have this upcoming job that pays well I decided to not work and play DFS. I spend about 1-2 hours constructing lineups and bet $100-250 a night. My profit this season is sitting around $5000 so I am very happy how it has gone over the last two months considering that was how much I made all of last NBA/NHL season with less wagered per night.

    I play predominantly double ups and will enter some small GPPs. I have started playing the $25 NBA tourney on Draftpot and have won it 3 times in the last two weeks. Only other big win is 4th in a $3 DK NBA GPP for $750. Most of my money is from consistently winning my double ups every night with very few losing nights.

    What are the main stats that you focus on when creating your NBA lineups?

  • skelitor78

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    Draftkings app on I phone audibly said a player scored a three pointer only happened once. How do I get this to speak with all my players. S0 I don’t have to constantly check my phone

  • bruyns

    @Master_JJ said...

    What are the main stats that you focus on when creating your NBA lineups?

    Watch a lot of games and I try and build my lineups with the value plays I really like first. Players that are under priced for the minutes they should play because of an injury I like using for example. I am a Raptors fan so in the last week I have got good value from Ross and Johnson using them in certain games. I follow NBA close enough to have an idea of situations like that with other teams too. I also try and target games that should be played at a high pace, but a lot of my picks are just intuition. I will browse the grind down article, but at this point in the season I have a good idea of what teams are good at and bad at.

    I do have a B. Comm and am very good with numbers, but I don’t base lineup decisions on an algorithm or strictly based on stats. It could be argued this is to my detriment, but I am winning enough that I am happy with the way I do things.

  • geardaddy

    This is my goal I win 5 out of 7 days typically. Recently had a hotstreak where I was winning everyday for 3 weeks. Then greg monroe’s late scratch killed my streak. Trying to build my bankroll up to at least 10k. So I can feel comfortable doing this for a living.

  • TheRealJosh5

    @millerto said...

    I can’t imagine how stressed/pissed I would be if I tried this for a living.

    The guys that play full time I’m guessing are playing and making most of the $$ from smaller field GPP’s and cash games so I’m sure it’s easy then being a FT and relying on 130,000 player fields.

  • MRCOOKONUTS

    We dont know the ROI on these pros..
    I wouldnt be surprised if some of the “ experts have not made a profit playing DFS or won a little but nothing significant.Some still hold regular jobs and many are profiting from their tv,radio,video,DFS website work and not from actually playing DFS..Of course you do have some pros that win a crapload of money but overall,I am sure some of the guys we read and listen to are no different ROI than many of the small fries..

  • AidenTheEnemy

    @MRCOOKONUTS said...

    We dont know the ROI on these pros..
    I wouldnt be surprised if some of the “ experts have not made a profit playing DFS or won a little but nothing significant.Some still hold regular jobs and many are profiting from their tv,radio,video,DFS website work and not from actually playing DFS..Of course you do have some pros that win a crapload of money but overall,I am sure some of the guys we read and listen to are no different ROI than many of the small fries..

    I know you said “some pros” and you’re probably right that some depend on work for websites as a source of income. However, I’ve noticed a lot of pro’s have one or two game types they focus on for their grinding. I recently read in a post about one pro who made $120k a year from 20 man $5 leagues alone. It’s just what I’ve noticed and don’t want to pretend like I know what their daily grinding is like.

  • Meatacus

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    I read an article awhile back that MaxDalury had an ROI of about 8% but he was putting in over 100K everyday, thus equating to over $8000/day. Not sure how recent those stats are or what he’s playing nowadays. I wouldn’t consider that a great ROI but being risky and building that bank roll up definitely seems to be worth his while.

  • Bigo1

    If 8% DAILY return is not great, then I am not sure we live in the same world

  • tvsfrink

    Pfft…just try to live off of $2.92M a year. It’s harder than you think. Ask Antonio Cromartie.

  • garybmw

    19% Annual consistent return for the pros year over year is the TOP of the game. Thats counting the swings

  • rob87g

    I have been slowly becoming an everyday player and am hoping to learn how I can make a living doing this, but creating a bank is the first step to success, in my opinion. I have pretty much only been playing GPPs. it seems to be where I find the highest ROI, specifically in NBA. Since I’ve been playing almost each day, I seem to break even with an outlier here or there which has put my bankroll over $1500 by hitting top 5 in a GPP. I usually enter between $12-$100 per day. Certain sports I just play for fun though because the variance can be crazy high. I also have a background in math and economic theory so I feel as though it helps me with lineups on a daily basis.

  • Shipmymoney

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    @rob87g said...

    I have been slowly becoming an everyday player and am hoping to learn how I can make a living doing this, but creating a bank is the first step to success, in my opinion. I have pretty much only been playing GPPs. it seems to be where I find the highest ROI, specifically in NBA. Since I’ve been playing almost each day, I seem to break even with an outlier here or there which has put my bankroll over $1500 by hitting top 5 in a GPP. I usually enter between $12-$100 per day. Certain sports I just play for fun though because the variance can be crazy high. I also have a background in math and economic theory so I feel as though it helps me with lineups on a daily basis.

    If you’re only playing GPPs and pretty much breaking even every day, you could increase your bankroll by offering lessons

  • FkCoolers

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    Lessons in breaking even? What’s the hourly charge for that?

    $10/hour and every other day he pays you instead of you pay him?

  • TeamTwerk

    If you’re breaking even gambling you’re doing better than 99% of gamblers.

  • Shipmymoney

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    @FkCoolers said...

    Lessons in breaking even? What’s the hourly charge for that?

    $10/hour and every other day he pays you instead of you pay him?

    I took what he said to mean he breaks even most days, and occasionally hits big. So no, not lessons in breaking even

  • FkCoolers

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    @Shipmymoney said...

    I took what he said to mean he breaks even most days, and occasionally hits big. So no, not lessons in breaking even

    I was only making a joke.

  • Ryazan

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    @Shipmymoney said...

    I took what he said to mean he breaks even most days, and occasionally hits big. So no, not lessons in breaking even

    not many lessons can be taught about being a risk taker – you either have it or you don’t.

    And success in GPP is absolutely all about being about long term focus, and not short term.

    I think I can speak for myself, when i say if you take 360 of my 365 days this year total, 360 of them, I end up breaking even. And then 5 of them, if isolated from the others, the 5 with the biggest wins, make the year a big success. The most important part is to keep at it and keep taking the risks every single day, no days off.

    Imagine you take a day off and in your head you love certain players, and they go off, and you will really hate yourself for that – no days like that would be fun lol

  • tnib

    I started playing daily Oct. 30th and the swings can be big. One day, I’ll win…get 1st…in every 50/50 and place well in a big tourney and cash….then go two or three days completely dry. Now and then I’ll even up or go $20-$40 up or the same amount down. The massive multi-entries kill me. I don’t use algorithms and pump out 30 different line ups. Last night was nuts on FF. I entered my single entry into a 50/50 that had 58 entries with 6 minutes to go and in the last minute, 32 entries came in….most in the last 20 seconds. Ended up having 96 of the 100 entries filled. Five of the players had 69 of the entries. Gambling on the overlay! Crazy. I won my single entry games but just missed on the multi-entries. I’m almost completely single entry now so I don’t have to deal with the guys who just gamble and play pot odds. I have an advanced math background but used to shoot NBA games, played the sport, watch a ton and have a good feel for strengths and weaknesses in individual and team matchups. I use a combination of stats and gut feelings. That said, I’m $300 down this year. Not bad since I usually lay out $120-$300 a day and I’m a good week away from being up $300-$500 or so. It’s a grind, man. I’m finding that you have to find out what you’re good at and stick with it. Don’t throw money away….it adds up. If you don’t feel solid at all about your lineups, don’t play or play really light. I just do NBA but on a stupid whim, I did a HU $55 NFL snake draft today. I’m good at snakes. Did about 15 minutes of research and went with an expert’s free online cheat sheet as a guide. :) I like to do “block” picks on weak positions and put a guy on RS so my opponent gets bad points at that position. I think I have a shot! I shouldn’t have done it because NFL isn’t my game but I’m good at h2h snakes. I’ve dabbled in $1 and $2 NFL contests and cashed about 40% of the time. This was a gamble on a whim….which I regret now unless I win :) I found an interesting game on Owntheplay called whole card. You pick by team….and use the three highest scorers on the team for your points. I played the 25 cent “satellite” game and won it….$5 bucks. I may play it again. I think the key to playing daily successfully is finding the games and sites that play to your strengths….and don’t dabble in things you wish you were good at and toss away money. You hone those skills on free rolls or 50 cent games. And you have to have alternate plays ready and be on Twitter the last half hour before the games. So many last second scratches and announcements. I’m down $300 basically due to 3 days when I wasn’t able to be on and got burned by scratches. Can’t stress that enough….

  • FkCoolers

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    @Ryazan said...

    not many lessons can be taught about being a risk taker – you either have it or you don’t.

    I think the one lesson that can be taught is that once you take a risk and hit a nice score, don’t stop there. I think when this happens the majority of people fall into 2 categories:

    1) Ones who tighten up and are afraid to lose since they finally one
    2) Ones who go recklessly overboard and lose it back too fast

    So I think the lesson to learn is to take calculated risks once you get a bankroll.

  • OSUs_FINEST

    @jon2anderson said...

    How many full-time DFS players are on here? I’m curious as to how that works. How much money are you typically risking in a day? How do you disperse it between cash and tournaments? Isn’t that kinda scary? How consistently are you making significant amounts of money?

    I’m fascinated with full-timers (I have a job in IT that I like and pays well… and my girlfriend/family would dump me if I quit my job to play fantasy sports, but still), if anybody would like to mentor me that’d be a blast.

    Hey jon,

    I’ve been playing DFS for a living since November 2013 (and playing DFS since the early Draftstreet days) so figured my insight might be useful.

    Not to oversimplify, but playing DFS is just like running a business; you have good days/weeks/months, and you have not so great ones. However, BANKROLL MANAGEMENT IS CRITICAL. What works for me, doesn’t work for everyone, but I play 10% cash games on full slates and normally ~1% on GPPs.

    Since I don’t rely on tournament winnings, I think that minimizes the “scary” element. I do cashouts every Monday night/Tuesday morning throughout the year and I only withdraw a portion of my winnings (typically 50/50 split) so if I lose money on a given site that week, no cashout. If I have a “big” win in a GPP, then I use a formula to cashout a portion of winnings that night/next day.

    That said, (to answer the question you didn’t ask) by no means does “full time DFS player” translate to the glamorous lifestyle commercials, media, etc. lead you to believe. It truly is a grind. Obviously there are very successful players out there and perhaps I’ll reach that level someday, but for me, it’s 80-100 hour work weeks and sometimes more. Fortunately, my girlfriend has been supportive throughout as has the majority of my friends and family.

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