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  • monaco712

    Coors field slates can drive DFS players crazy.. 46 runs in 4 games for the Nationals. I do not like
    it at all that half the season revolves around one stadium. It is more of a problem for cash games
    you almost have no choice but to stack the field or lose. It just gets boring and takes away
    from the strategy.
    My suggestion is for the industry is to give us a choice. Similar to the way FD gives you the option
    of late swap or no late swap, they should give us the option of including or excluding Coors field.
    For example If it is a 15 game slate just give the option of a 14 game slate minus Coors.
    No matter how high the salaries go there will be a majority of Coors stacks every time the Rockies
    are at home.
    Any thoughts?

  • yisman

    @NoLimits0 said...

    Seems like choosing Coors stacks this season would have lost lots of money.

    That is my impression as well.

    Coors is still the best hitting environment, of course, but with the price adjustments on DK, you end up with poor lineups.

    Blackmon and Arenado are the two Rockies you’d want, for example, and they’re almost always 5400+ at Coors.

    The road teams typically get bumped up significantly as well.

    The boost in average fantasy points is not sufficient to compensate for the big bump in salaries.

  • monaco712

    @jordanbob147 said...

    Tonight however, FD forgot to up prices and I’m going heavy on coors. Oh and heavy on Detroit. People say you cant stack vs Perez but it’s worked great for me.

    Detroit may have 9 righties in lineup. I think that will be a good stack.
    Arenado may be out with wrist injury.

  • yisman

    @monaco712 said...

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

    1 is average. ESPN’s park factor is saying Coors this season is roughly 32% above average.

    Compare that to the pricing difference and it doesn’t make up for it.

    Especially since not all runs are created equally as far as DFS.

    Coors’ park factor this season is low. In the humidor era, it’s often had a park factor of over 1.4. If you’ve been stacking Coors every time, you are not doing well.

  • yisman

    @monaco712 said...

    Detroit may have 9 righties in lineup. I think that will be a good stack.
    Arenado may be out with wrist injury.

    I would expect Arenado to miss at least one game and probably more after that HBP.

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    @yisman said...

    1 is average. ESPN’s park factor is saying Coors this season is roughly 32% above average.

    Compare that to the pricing difference and it doesn’t make up for it.

    Especially since not all runs are created equally as far as DFS.

    Coors’ park factor this season is low. In the humidor era, it’s often had a park factor of over 1.4. If you’ve been stacking Coors every time, you are not doing well.

    Yea you would definitely be losing money on this season. I completely agree with this. That’s what I was saying months ago in this forum if you read the above posts.

    That’s exactly the reason why Saahil is probably going out of business, as he just stacks Coors every day. You can’t just blindly stack Coors every game. It’s actually super -EV to do so.

  • tprokopenko

    @yisman said...

    http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/parkfactor

    The Rockies offense being utter dogshit on the road helps boost the park factor as well, as ESPN simply divides number of total runs in home games by number of total runs in away games to get that number.

  • jokerswild22

    There’s a pricing difference in Coors?

    Cause looking at today I can’t tell?

    Blackmon/Arenado same price as they’ve been on the road. Entire Braves team sans 2 people under 4k.

  • tprokopenko

    @jokerswild22 said...

    Entire Braves team sans 2 people under 4k.

    Well, that’s because the Braves suck, other than Freeman.

  • yisman

    @tprokopenko said...

    The Rockies offense being utter dogshit on the road helps boost the park factor as well, as ESPN simply divides number of total runs in home games by number of total runs in away games to get that number.

    Well yeah, but their performance on the road is probably a fairly accurate depiction of the quality of the offense in general.

  • yisman

    @jokerswild22 said...

    There’s a pricing difference in Coors?

    Cause looking at today I can’t tell?

    Blackmon/Arenado same price as they’ve been on the road. Entire Braves team sans 2 people under 4k.

    yes, often a significant difference

  • monaco712

    @yisman said...

    Compare that to the pricing difference and it doesn’t make up for it.

    Based upon what I have seen I agree with that. The humidor factor is interesting.

  • monaco712

    @superstars92 said...

    Yea you would definitely be losing money on this season. I completely agree with this. That’s what I was saying months ago in this forum if you read the above posts

    Looks like your assessments were correct as the season plays out.

  • monaco712

    O/U 12 runs tonight. Tehran has not had a quality start in 6 weeks.

  • superstars92

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    @jokerswild22 said...

    There’s a pricing difference in Coors?

    Cause looking at today I can’t tell?

    Blackmon/Arenado same price as they’ve been on the road. Entire Braves team sans 2 people under 4k.

    Is this DK? There’s always a huge difference on DK. Not sure about FD. Obviously, if there isn’t a difference on FD, then FD is so exploitable.

  • jokerswild22

    @yisman said...

    yes, often a significant difference

    Ah, well it hasn’t been significant on DraftKings. Not sure where you play.

  • yisman

    @jokerswild22 said...

    Ah, well it hasn’t been significant on DraftKings. Not sure where you play.

    I play on DraftKings and it’s absolutely significant.

    Occasionally maybe they fail to do it, but for the vast majority of slates, the Coors guys get priced up (well above where their stats would suggest).

  • yisman

    If you’re just looking at the last week, you don’t see much of a difference but that’s because DK screwed up the pricing on the road. Typically they were like 5500 at home and like 4500 on the road, IIRC.

    Freeman’s salary is 900 more than it was yesterday, for example.

    I’ve been playing all season and there’s a significant difference.

  • jokerswild22

    @yisman said...

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    I play daily.

    It’s not as significant as you make it seem.

    They have been atrocious at pricing coors up, I have daily CSV for every day.

    They’ve done well at pricing up individual stars like Goldy, etc.. But below average teams like Pirates, Phillies, Padres, Braves aren’t getting priced up. Even the Rockies themselves aren’t priced up “significantly.”

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    @jokerswild22 said...

    I play daily.

    It’s not as significant as you make it seem.

    They have been atrocious at pricing coors up, I have daily CSV for every day.

    They’ve done well at pricing up individual stars like Goldy, etc.. But below average teams like Pirates, Phillies, Padres, Braves aren’t getting priced up. Even the Rockies themselves aren’t priced up “significantly.”

    I’m not sure what you are talking about? Coors definitely is priced up every night.

    It’s about % increase. So like the fact that Carlos Gonzalez is 3.4k is actually quite high. If you look at his season numbers, he should be more like 2.6k, so a 800 dollar increase is quite huge. Parra is 4.3k. That’s super high for Parra, a nobody on the road. Blackmon/Arenado have the two highest prices at their position everytime they play at home.

    Look at the Braves tonight. You can say they are “not priced up”, but 3.7k is ridiculously high for Nick Markakis. Given his season numbers, he should be more like 3k. That’s a 700 dollar increase off of 3k, about 25%.

  • yisman

    not every guy gets priced up enough, but it’s absurd to suggest there’s no difference

    Some of the players that have been priced at 5k+ at Coors this year….

    Anyway, yet another day of Coors Field doing nothing. 0-0 in the 5th or whatever.

  • Roma315

    Great day at Coors today

  • tprokopenko

    @Roma315 said...

    Great day at Coors today

    The game consists of Blackmon, Freeman, and a huge pile of scrubs; not sure what else anyone expected. Coors Field isn’t magic.

  • bigstanny21

    This whole entire thread is just avoiding the real issues and the truly important questions, which are obviously…

    1) If a Coors Field game falls off a slate in the forest and there’s nobody there to see it, was it ever really gone from the slate at all?

    2) Do we choose Coors Field or does Coors Field choose us?

    We have to remember what really matters when it comes to altitude, folks.

  • dds2190

    The fact of the matter is, this season at least with the juiced ball (and yes the ball is juiced, don’t at me) fading Coors has been profitable more often than not. That and the fact that the Rockies have a competent bullpen also affects the stacking Coors strategy. I’m not going to pay up for Coors anymore unless it’s a matchup I would pay for regardless i.e. No more playing the Brandon Phillips of the world just bc they’re at Coors and cheap. This year at least, every field can be Coors any given night. See that 11 spot Baltimore put up in Safeco or that over that Philly and San Diego had tonight.

  • depalma13

    @yisman said...

    Coors’ park factor this season is low. In the humidor era, it’s often had a park factor of over 1.4. If you’ve been stacking Coors every time, you are not doing well.

    That depends if you hit your stack. Winning $300 – $400 once can cover a lot of $4 stacks.

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