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  • monaco712

    Coors field slates can drive DFS players crazy.. 46 runs in 4 games for the Nationals. I do not like
    it at all that half the season revolves around one stadium. It is more of a problem for cash games
    you almost have no choice but to stack the field or lose. It just gets boring and takes away
    from the strategy.
    My suggestion is for the industry is to give us a choice. Similar to the way FD gives you the option
    of late swap or no late swap, they should give us the option of including or excluding Coors field.
    For example If it is a 15 game slate just give the option of a 14 game slate minus Coors.
    No matter how high the salaries go there will be a majority of Coors stacks every time the Rockies
    are at home.
    Any thoughts?

  • Heterodox

    @yisman said...

    yes, dailybaseballdata used to show air density daily and took it away this year

    made it premium-only, like with Kevin Roth’s updates

    They got a cease and desist from the proprietor of the site who offers it, who apparently devised it himself. DBD said it will still show if you have a subscription to that other site, which I’m not about to pay for just for that stat alone. I don’t even know the site

  • NoLimits0

    @Heterodox said...

    I literally just copied and pasted them from their DK player cards

    It clearly says Carlos Gonzalez has an OPS of .759 at home vs. .661 on the road…not .930 like you said. Everyone stats you mentioned is compeltely off.

    If Gonzalez had an OPS of .930 at home, he wouldn’t have that crappy of stats overall. You are off by like 200 points, which is the difference between an All Star and a below average player

  • monaco712

    @Heterodox said...

    Just for the record, Carlos Gonazales has an OPS of .930 at home this year, compared to .697 on the road. Story is .854/.711.

    Wow that is crazy I did not realize that. Amazing what altitude does to a baseball.
    If I was a pitcher drafted by the Rockies I would find another profession.

  • NoLimits0

    @monaco712 said...

    Wow that is crazy I did not realize that. Amazing what altitude does to a baseball.
    If I was a pitcher drafted by the Rockies I would find another profession.

    Carlos Gonzalez doesn’t have an OPS of .930 at home this year……and his stats about Story are wrong too.

    But I hope you guys believe he does since you guys can keep choosing him.

  • monaco712

    @bigez952 said...

    You have that option every day to play or not play the slate. The main slate should always include all the games in that general timeframe and if you want to avoid a certain game play a smaller slate that doesn’t have it or don’t play at all and wait until the Rockies go on a road trip. Making more slates and more options will just divide the player pool further resulting in smaller contests for everyone which in my opinion would not be a good thing.

    After reading all the post and giving it more thought I basically agree with what you are saying as long as the salaries reflect the Coors effect to give players pause before automatically stacking.

  • monaco712

    @Heterodox said...

    It just doesn’t matter. The fundamentals of Coors don’t change. The air is thin, and the outfield is huge. Results can be fluky. It’s still a place where bad teams can explode, and elite batters are near must-play status.

    Remember last year when the Padres got shut out their first 3 home games
    then went to Coors and scored 32 runs in 3 games. Definitely a bad team
    exploding.

  • Heterodox

    @NoLimits0 said...

    Carlos Gonzalez doesn’t have an OPS of .930 at home this year……and his stats about Story are wrong too.

    But I hope you guys believe he does since you guys can keep choosing him.

    I mean, fangraphs has it at .757. Wtf. Why does DK even show these stats if they’re just misleading people? I just went to a handy option to check, saw what it had, and accepted it. ffs.

  • Heterodox

    DKs SLG doesn’t even add up, and they don’t show HBP or SF so I can’t calculate how they got their OBP. I think it’s pretty fucked if they’re showing incorrect stats.

  • yisman

    @yisman said...

    That’s been the case every year. Forget individual players, compare the Rockies team OPS at home to road OPS every and there’s always huge splits.

    My point was in regards to DFS.

    The Rockies have been horrible on the road, but I’d imagine they’re always low owned on the road.

    Coors in general has not played up to typical Coors standards this year, which means that the uptick in production has not made up for the increased pricetag at DK.

    2017 Rockies at home: .862 (leads MLB)
    2017 Rockies on the road: .694 (28th)
    2016 Rockies at home: .885 (led MLB)
    2016 Rockies on the road: .700 (25th)

    and so on.

  • jokerswild22

    @superstars92 said...

    I’m not sure what you are talking about? Coors definitely is priced up every night.

    It’s about % increase. So like the fact that Carlos Gonzalez is 3.4k is actually quite high. If you look at his season numbers, he should be more like 2.6k, so a 800 dollar increase is quite huge. Parra is 4.3k. That’s super high for Parra, a nobody on the road. Blackmon/Arenado have the two highest prices at their position everytime they play at home.

    Look at the Braves tonight. You can say they are “not priced up”, but 3.7k is ridiculously high for Nick Markakis. Given his season numbers, he should be more like 3k. That’s a 700 dollar increase off of 3k, about 25%.

    Horrible rebuttal.

    None of the guys you mentioned were “priced up” for Coors. Dudes were the same price area the game prior in not Coors field.

  • NoLimits0

    @Heterodox said...

    I mean, fangraphs has it at .757. Wtf. Why does DK even show these stats if they’re just misleading people? I just went to a handy option to check, saw what it had, and accepted it. ffs.

    Yea DK messed up. Not your fault. But I was just saying the stats you cited were wrong. The difference in team OPS has mostly to do with Blackmon and Arenado not CarSuck.

  • NoLimits0

    @jokerswild22 said...

    Horrible rebuttal.

    None of the guys you mentioned were “priced up” for Coors. Dudes were the same price area the game prior in not Coors field.

    He’s right. Kurt Suzuki was 3.6k yesterday and Nick Marsakis was 3.7k yesterday and even higher today. That’s a joke. They should be 3k. But people didn’t see this and chose them LOL. Kurt Suzuki is a AAA level catcher.

    If they weren’t priced up from the game before, it’s cause the game before they were mispriced because they were definitely priced up for Coors. The funny thing is they are even higher this game. Good luck guys stacking that garbage.

  • superstars92

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    @jokerswild22 said...

    Horrible rebuttal.

    None of the guys you mentioned were “priced up” for Coors. Dudes were the same price area the game prior in not Coors field.

    Oh you might be right. I didn’t play the previous 2 weeks so I haven’t kept track of Braves’ prices, so you might be right. Anyways, it still doesn’t matter. I can then argue that they were mispriced over the previous 2 weeks (by being too high), and yesterday was just “correction” for playing at Coors (but still “high” given the end result).

  • superstars92

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    @Heterodox said...

    DKs SLG doesn’t even add up, and they don’t show HBP or SF so I can’t calculate how they got their OBP. I think it’s pretty fucked if they’re showing incorrect stats.

    Wow that’s an amazing discovery by you and NoLimits0. Lol, this is pretty bad on DK’s part IMO. I have actually looked at those numbers from time to time (especially for NBA, but sometimes for MLB), so I have a major problem with that.

    I think I know the error is. It’s the SLG part (the BA and OBP seem fine). Since SLG is wrong, it makes OPS wrong since OPS is OBP + SLG.

    I don’t even know what to say, but that’s egregious on DK’s part.

  • TeamTwerk

    @NoLimits0 said...

    He’s right. Kurt Suzuki was 3.6k yesterday and Nick Marsakis was 3.7k yesterday and even higher today. That’s a joke. They should be 3k. But people didn’t see this and chose them LOL. Kurt Suzuki is a AAA level catcher.

    If they weren’t priced up from the game before, it’s cause the game before they were mispriced because they were definitely priced up for Coors. The funny thing is they are even higher this game. Good luck guys stacking that garbage.

    You should check Suzuki’s stats. He’s been good this season. .246 iso , .355 woba, 117 WRC+. Yesterday he was 3400, a catcher going against a not great pitcher who hasn’t pitched in a year in Coors batting 5th. How was he overpriced? Tonight he’s projected by RG to be a top 10 pp$ play.

  • NoLimits0

    @TeamTwerk said...

    You should check Suzuki’s stats. He’s been good this season. .246 iso , .355 woba, 117 WRC+. Yesterday he was 3400, a catcher going against a not great pitcher who hasn’t pitched in a year in Coors batting 5th. How was he overpriced? Tonight he’s projected by RG to be a top 10 pp$ play.

    Except he’s not starting. He’s had a few lucky weeks but he’s not gonna keep up his season numbers. I doubt he’ll be getting more than 2 starts a week two weeks from now.

  • TeamTwerk

    @NoLimits0 said...

    Except he’s not starting. He’s had a few lucky weeks but he’s not gonna keep up his season numbers. I doubt he’ll be getting more than 2 starts a week two weeks from now.

    I didn’t expect him to be good either but those stats are over 200 plate appearances. Why would the Braves not want to play him? He’s been one of their best batters when he plays.

  • monaco712

    From JM article:
    FanDuel’s decision to stick to only the earliest games today resulted in Coors Field missing from their main slate. Because Coors can create such a mess in MLB, I doubt many people are complaining.

  • deaddogseye

    I think both sides have valid points on this but I wouldn’t mind slates that are non- Coors. Cant hurt — just more choice

  • bigez952

    @deaddogseye said...

    I think both sides have valid points on this but I wouldn’t mind slates that are non- Coors. Cant hurt — just more choice

    More choices = smaller tournaments and payouts. So I do think more choices can hurt in that respect.

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