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  • ninerzfan8

    So who’s gonna take a stab at this lottery?

    Prices out. 18 guys. New course not sure if they’ve played anything at all there before.

    7400 yds. 5 par 5s and 5 par 3s.

    Sounds like bomberville and leave as much money on the table as possible to try to get a unique lineup.

    At least the big tourney is only about 40K entries vs the tour champ that had over 100K picking from 30 guys

  • busterdae1799

    @stlcardinals84 said...

    Not saying that I am playing Lahiri, but the statement is most definitely false. Just because he doesn’t play on American soil every week doesn’t make him the worst golfer in the field, let alone the worst golfer “by far”

    Poor characterization.

    Hokie must be drinking today or something. Usually he is spot on but even he can have a hiccup.

  • hokie2009

    Heh sorry guys!

    I am very familiar with Lahiri.

    And I’m not just trying to ruffle feathers but I appreciate the feed back …

    “By far” maybe that was a little mean. But him not playing on American soil a lot (not that this tournament is on American soil either) has zero to do with me not liking him (not directly, anyways, its more of a competition level week-in-week-out thing). So I will take the criticism of “by far”, that is definitely arguable.

    But he’s CLEARLY amongst a distinct class of lower-skilled players in this tournament, at this moment in time. I would really love to get in to this, I think some of the criticism is unfair, but that’s the beautiful thing about criticism – if you can handle it, I think it will lead to more understanding by all parties involved.

    So lets try to remove personal biases and go to a “neutral” source – international betting markets. If you glance at the odds to win, there’s a huge jump when you get to Lahiri, Haas, Walker, Horschel, and Kirk. Holmes KIND OF bridges the gap there, but let’s not bring him into this! They are clearly in a league of their own at the bottom of the odds to win chart, to use that as a nice generic neutral rating of their expected performance against this field.

    So, let me first say that saying that he “doesn’t belong” would be totally unfair if I were to imply that those other four golfers “did belong” … so can we agree that those five guys are in a class of their own, clearly not playing as well recently (however we want to define that), or not as proven altogether, as the rest of the field? I think that’s fair, and vegas backs it up. They are outliers at the bottom of this field. Not huge outliers but there’s a clear distinction.

    So, if you want to get into the details, Lahiri actually has the best odds to win of those five. And if I knew more than Vegas, well … I think they have it graded very fairly, let’s just say that.

    But if he’s clearly in that group of guys who are separate form the rest, at the bottom, is it that unfair for me to say he’s the worst? That’s not a huge leap, really. And I don’t make a habit out of making HUGE disagreements with sports books, but I think he’s acknowledged by them to be close enough to the bottom that it’s not ludicrous to suggest that he might actually be the worst. And if we didn’t have differences of opinion about how players were graded vs. vegas lines, vs DK salaries, etc., then we’d have no thread, no conversation, and really the DFS game wouldn’t exist!

    Would I have been better off coming on here and posting that I thought Spieth was the best golfer in the field? Like I said I wasn’t trying to ruffle feathers, but really – this thread is entirely dead. I decided to use it for a space to make a prediction. Because I thought it would be fun. I think Lahiri is overrated. I think he is overrated because I don’t think that the bulk of his success has come against fields that are comparable to what the other four guys in the group endured week-in and week-out last year. I figured this is a space for people to share opinions about what they think is going to happen in the golf tournament this weekend … And there are some bold predictions and some good contributions and … well lets say I can definitely see how … I didn’t pull any punches with the way I worded my criticisms. But I stand by what I said – I’m not big on him in general, and I think against this field he is in a particularly disadvantaged position – moreso than everyone else in the field.

    I’m glad it provoked a discussion but I didn’t want to provoke a riot!!

    So yeah … I want to highlight a few points made by other posters …

    -the fact that it is disrespectful to call him the worst golfer in the field … first of all … I hope he’s not reading this thread! I did not take his feelings into consideration when I posted. I think that’s fair. This same poster I believe also pointed out that being the 18th best golfer in this field …… should never be taken as a sign of disrespect, and that is absolutely true. I would say the same about 98% of the professional golfers in the world who could ever take his place. So that’s really no big deal. There are no bad golfers in this field!

    But in my opinion he’s the worst one. I like the chances for Kirk coming off the injury better. I think he’s more talented and I want to be on him when he returns to form (probably wont’ be this week though because I’m not playing GPP). Haas and Horschel, same, without the injury, but I’m not as high on them, because I don’t think they are as good as Kirk … the only reason why these guys are down here with Lahiri is because they’ve had some bad form recently, and well that’s REALLY important … I am not predicting them to get it back, either but … basically … I still think they have a better chance of doing well than Lahiri based on overall body of work and what my assessment of their overall talent level is. Some of them have been so bad while Lahiri has gotten some results overseas, it makes it a more interesting discussion, but I’m just not putting him up there yet! I Feel like Lahiri has been getting some results, well … the PGA Champ that is an undeniably great result. I’m … I question the strength of field in a lot of events he’s done well at in the past year (although there are some that are strong, I feel like his entire body of work should be discounted .. because, yes, he doesn’t play enough PGA Tour events …) … I hope I can communicate this correctly without sparking another huge criticism, but it is my belief that the PGA Tour events, for the most part, are far above the caliber of competition that you see on ANY other tour. The European Tour is obviously closest, and obviously there are really crappy PGA Tour events and really strong Euro Tour events.

    But take the goat (not G.O.A.T.) seemingly of the bottom-of-the-pack, Jimmy Walker. He’s horrible pretty consistently going on several months, with maybe some passable? results at the end of the playoffs. I wouldn’t take him either. But he at least … I dunno I guess one way to put it is I don’t think if Lahiri played on the PGA Tour full-time he would finish in the top 16 in the fedex cup. But that is a flawed ranking system … … … so that doesn’t really prove anything. At the end of the day I don’t know if we CAN prove it (the outcome for him this one week – good or bad – could never be taken as a definitive answer one way or another) – that’s why I just shared a strong opinion on a message board, rather than bashing him in my article, because it’s an opinion, certainly not a fact.

    So he did fantastic at the PGA Champ, but at the President’s Cup, against a group of golfers I would say generally matches up very well with this particular field as far as skill-levels (actually the entire USA president’s cup team is playing in this event except for Mickelson) … he didn’t score a single point. Haas, Walker, and Kirk all did. Now before I get jumped again – please know that it is not lost on me that that is a HORRIBLE short sample, in a match-play event, against ridiculous competition, where some of his scores depended on the play of a teammate golfer – etc! … … … but … I think it is safe to say he did not play very well there against these guys.

    So which Lahiri is the real Lahiri against an elite field? President’s cup Lahiri or PGA Champ Lahiri? Obviously likely somewhere inbetween. I think its fair to say he’s a little more of an “unknown” than everyone else in the field – even if you watched him every chance you got, and compiled every statistic he’s ever scored – you still wouldn’t have seen him as much as most of these other guys, and you still would be left wondering how his stats would translate against an elite 18-golfer field at an invitational event at a course that’s never been played in competition by these guys. All I’m saying is that I think he’s not going to end up being as good as most people think, which puts him at the bottom of the pack since most people (vegas) already think he’s going to be, what, the best of the worst? Meh.

    We’re all going to disagree, and let me say that Cardinals and zshatz are two guys who I appreciate reading their stuff, and I appreciate the criticism, but I feel like if you guys can take some back … you jumped me a little bit!

    I knew it was an opinion that some people would disagree with. But honestly if I said that about any other golfer, I think people could have made fell-founded arguments that disagreed with me. And like I said I just wasn’t trying to incite a riot, I’ve just been sitting here, and in my opinion, he’s overrated right now! And I figured you know what, I’m going to post on the thread that I don’t like him this week! Maybe I worded it in a way that was more inciteful than insightful, and for that I apologize, but I stand by my opinion going in (because believe it or not I am very familiar with him – I just don’t think people factor in the difference in talent level on the two tours well enough – OWGR included) … I don’t like him this week! I think he’s the least talented golfer in the field! And I think that is not a ludicrous opinion since he’s tightly grouped with four others at the bottom of the vegas odds!

    Fair enough!?

    LOL I can’t wait for him to win now. I don’t think he’s the worst golfer ever, not by a long shot! And if there were ever an event where truly every single golfer has a tangible chance at winning, this is it! I just think he’s going to have the hardest time competing in this field. He’s had some good events, for sure, and some of those events have had as stiff of a field as you’ll ever see … I just think the hype train has gotten out of the station a little bit early on this one.

    I will say he’s definitely on a good career arc and is likely to be a lot better next month and the month after – but I really feel like the allure is drawing people to him more, when some of the golfers right next to him are better. Just my two cents.

    I’d like to turn the question then – if Lahiri’s not the worst golfer in the field, then who is? Surely one of those five guys, I’d guess, but I think a lot of people will have different opinions. I’m not going to be wagering money on any of the guys in that bottom five this week because I’m not playing the GPPs (if you want to call them that), so I thought it would be fun to share my opinion and see if it panned out.

    Just wanted to be clear that I was not shooting off at the mouth – I stand by my opinion, but I hope that maybe by clarifying it some it will be deemed less offensive to everybody else!

    ……. really dreading his dominance now. I’m actually more excited to watch this week as a fan than I am to play in the DK contests, if that makes any sense, which is odd for me. I just wanted to share my stance, and have it on record, for the explicit purpose of opening myself up to ridicule if it went wrong! I don’t have any money on him, or the other guys in his price range, but now at least I’ve got a little skin in the game! BUT I did not mean to offend you guys … and I’ll back off some of the fiery rhetoric, but I still think he’s going to do bad!

    Can we all be friends again now? :)

    Also in light of this, (and surely this will get lost once the tournament starts and nobody is likely to see this thread until its started) … I’m taking it Lahiri won’t be lowest owned after all? Maybe that was some personal bias by me. I guess Horschel could give him a run. Walker in my mind has been just so bad for so long, I would be shocked if he decided to turn it around right here right now, but I think people will still pick him off of the results from almost a year ago and the name recognition he received by being a fixture near the top of the fedex cup race for virtually the entire season. He’s got as much upside as anybody, I guess we’d have to say. So that’s an interesting question now, too!

    Good luck guys. Hope everything’s a little clearer now! I appreciate the responses, and especially appreciate zshatz for not only criticizing me but contributing some really solid analyses after he was done putting me in my place!

  • ninerzfan8

    I dunno guys Lahore has not shown himself to be very good against big competition. He has 1 win against a reasonable Euro field in his career, 1 top 10 on the Pga tour in his career (the Pga last year) and a bunch of wins on the Asian tour which is about comparable to the web.com

    Everyone else in the field besides matsuyama has multiple Pga victories against solid competition. And mats has a record that blows lahiri’s out of the water.

    He’s not a hack or anything but I definitely don’t get why he’s not the lowest prices guy in the field

  • hokie2009

    I basically can’t win this at this point, LOL, because if he finishes anywhere but last, I’m wrong! LOL …. SMH …. y’all got me … but I hope you don’t just throw my opinions out the window just because you disagreed with me on this one. We’re probably a lot closer in our evaluations than the tone of my original message, or the responses, would indicate. I hope I made that a little clearer with the diatribe above.

  • hokie2009

    @ninerzfan8 said...

    I dunno guys Lahore has not shown himself to be very good against big competition. He has 1 win against a reasonable Euro field in his career, 1 top 10 on the Pga tour in his career (the Pga last year) and a bunch of wins on the Asian tour which is about comparable to the web.com

    Everyone else in the field besides matsuyama has multiple Pga victories against solid competition. And mats has a record that blows lahiri’s out of the water.

    He’s not a hack or anything but I definitely don’t get why he’s not the lowest prices guy in the field

    Ninerzfan! LOL! So we got TWO riding the anti-Lahiri bandwagon now! Plenty more room! Haha.

    I can’t believe I’ve gotten myself in this position. There are very few golfers who I enjoy rooting AGAINST (and they will remain nameless so as to not provoke any more outrage!), but Lahiri certainly isn’t one of them! (except this week now, I guess, just so I can save face!)

    Anyway whatever the opposite of #TeamLahiri is this week I guess I’m on it!? Sorry Anirban! If you really do tank it for me this week I will root for you forever, I promise!

  • Daj5mg

    “Lahiri is by far the worst golfer in the field. …Personally I want to be ON RECORD as saying though that Lahiri does not “belong” in this field.

    Even though I am a Wahoo…I agree

  • hokie2009

    @Daj5mg said...

    Even though I am a Wahoo…I agree

    For anyone that doesn’t appreciate how monumental of a statement this is …

    I can count the number of times I’ve said the same, but in reverse, on one hand. In my entire life. If we throw out the times I’ve said it about Tina Fey.

    Thanks!

  • qatman

    Well, you’ve talked me off Lahiri. I swapped Lahiri/Casey for Horschel/Scott, more so for the upgrade to Scott than anything else. I think I might regret not having any Rose this week but we’ll see…

  • hokie2009

    I hope daj5mg talked you off of him more than I did … … … I’m nervous about it myself now hearing others rain down such fury on me!!

    So – don’t change your lineups JUST because of something I said – but if you agree for more reasons than just that, go for it!

    I think casey, for the money, … well I guess I’m just a sucker for GIR/t2g play. I can’t seem to avoid him.

    That pairing with him and Koepka … talk about volatile … it will be interesting to watch that roller coaster that neither of them can seem to get off of … I’ll be rooting for both, though!

    Scott scares the bejeesus out of me BUT … really hard to argue against him. Some question marks with the putter, obviously, but he’s proven he’s not a totally lost cause there, so if that happens, he’s easily the most under-priced guy … if it goes the other way, it could be ugly … I don’t have him on my team because I’m scared of him, but I’m also scared of him very easily beating me especially at that price if his putter wakes up on the right side of bed 4 days in a row …

    I think the “I might regret not having any ______” this week could be said about almost the entire field … I’m playing him (rose) for the first time in awhile, but moreso this week than any, a lot of the roster decisions are just finessing the best guys you can fit given what’s left after you lock in your top values … I told a buddy of mine who’s playing for the 3rd or 4th time ever this week that …… there really is no bad lineup, they’re all good enough to win, and its going to come down to an outlier performance and they only have to beat 17 other guys so … just gotta go with who you WANT to have on your team and let it rip, and hope the margins play out this week.

    For the record though amongst the cheap plays Kirk is my favorite still, I just think he’s gotten pretty buried, popularity-wise and salary-wise, after his broken hand last year, and I don’t see why he shouldn’t be returning to form right … about … now ….

    or maybe next time! but soon! at least that’s my feeling.

    exhausted! see y’all tomorrow to eat my crow, etc. !

  • qatman

    No worries, all decisions are my own. I was iffy on Lahiri to begin with. I’m actually even more concerned about Bubba given his propensity to mail it in, but with 20 par 5s I can’t help myself.

    Good luck to all this week.

  • busterdae1799

    @hokie2009 said...

    Heh sorry guys!

    I am very familiar with Lahiri.

    And I’m not just trying to ruffle feathers but I appreciate the feed back …

    “By far” maybe that was a little mean. But him not playing on American soil a lot (not that this tournament is on American soil either) has zero to do with me not liking him (not directly, anyways, its more of a competition level week-in-week-out thing). So I will take the criticism of “by far”, that is definitely arguable.

    But he’s CLEARLY amongst a distinct class of lower-skilled players in this tournament, at this moment in time. I would really love to get in to this, I think some of the criticism is unfair, but that’s the beautiful thing about criticism – if you can handle it, I think it will lead to more understanding by all parties involved.

    So lets try to remove personal biases and go to a “neutral” source – international betting markets. If you glance at the odds to win, there’s a huge jump when you get to Lahiri, Haas, Walker, Horschel, and Kirk. Holmes KIND OF bridges the gap there, but let’s not bring him into this! They are clearly in a league of their own at the bottom of the odds to win chart, to use that as a nice generic neutral rating of their expected performance against this field.

    So, let me first say that saying that he “doesn’t belong” would be totally unfair if I were to imply that those other four golfers “did belong” … so can we agree that those five guys are in a class of their own, clearly not playing as well recently (however we want to define that), or not as proven altogether, as the rest of the field? I think that’s fair, and vegas backs it up. They are outliers at the bottom of this field. Not huge outliers but there’s a clear distinction.

    So, if you want to get into the details, Lahiri actually has the best odds to win of those five. And if I knew more than Vegas, well … I think they have it graded very fairly, let’s just say that.

    But if he’s clearly in that group of guys who are separate form the rest, at the bottom, is it that unfair for me to say he’s the worst? That’s not a huge leap, really. And I don’t make a habit out of making HUGE disagreements with sports books, but I think he’s acknowledged by them to be close enough to the bottom that it’s not ludicrous to suggest that he might actually be the worst. And if we didn’t have differences of opinion about how players were graded vs. vegas lines, vs DK salaries, etc., then we’d have no thread, no conversation, and really the DFS game wouldn’t exist!

    Would I have been better off coming on here and posting that I thought Spieth was the best golfer in the field? Like I said I wasn’t trying to ruffle feathers, but really – this thread is entirely dead. I decided to use it for a space to make a prediction. Because I thought it would be fun. I think Lahiri is overrated. I think he is overrated because I don’t think that the bulk of his success has come against fields that are comparable to what the other four guys in the group endured week-in and week-out last year. I figured this is a space for people to share opinions about what they think is going to happen in the golf tournament this weekend … And there are some bold predictions and some good contributions and … well lets say I can definitely see how … I didn’t pull any punches with the way I worded my criticisms. But I stand by what I said – I’m not big on him in general, and I think against this field he is in a particularly disadvantaged position – moreso than everyone else in the field.

    I’m glad it provoked a discussion but I didn’t want to provoke a riot!!

    So yeah … I want to highlight a few points made by other posters …

    -the fact that it is disrespectful to call him the worst golfer in the field … first of all … I hope he’s not reading this thread! I did not take his feelings into consideration when I posted. I think that’s fair. This same poster I believe also pointed out that being the 18th best golfer in this field …… should never be taken as a sign of disrespect, and that is absolutely true. I would say the same about 98% of the professional golfers in the world who could ever take his place. So that’s really no big deal. There are no bad golfers in this field!

    But in my opinion he’s the worst one. I like the chances for Kirk coming off the injury better. I think he’s more talented and I want to be on him when he returns to form (probably wont’ be this week though because I’m not playing GPP). Haas and Horschel, same, without the injury, but I’m not as high on them, because I don’t think they are as good as Kirk … the only reason why these guys are down here with Lahiri is because they’ve had some bad form recently, and well that’s REALLY important … I am not predicting them to get it back, either but … basically … I still think they have a better chance of doing well than Lahiri based on overall body of work and what my assessment of their overall talent level is. Some of them have been so bad while Lahiri has gotten some results overseas, it makes it a more interesting discussion, but I’m just not putting him up there yet! I Feel like Lahiri has been getting some results, well … the PGA Champ that is an undeniably great result. I’m … I question the strength of field in a lot of events he’s done well at in the past year (although there are some that are strong, I feel like his entire body of work should be discounted .. because, yes, he doesn’t play enough PGA Tour events …) … I hope I can communicate this correctly without sparking another huge criticism, but it is my belief that the PGA Tour events, for the most part, are far above the caliber of competition that you see on ANY other tour. The European Tour is obviously closest, and obviously there are really crappy PGA Tour events and really strong Euro Tour events.

    But take the goat (not G.O.A.T.) seemingly of the bottom-of-the-pack, Jimmy Walker. He’s horrible pretty consistently going on several months, with maybe some passable? results at the end of the playoffs. I wouldn’t take him either. But he at least … I dunno I guess one way to put it is I don’t think if Lahiri played on the PGA Tour full-time he would finish in the top 16 in the fedex cup. But that is a flawed ranking system … … … so that doesn’t really prove anything. At the end of the day I don’t know if we CAN prove it (the outcome for him this one week – good or bad – could never be taken as a definitive answer one way or another) – that’s why I just shared a strong opinion on a message board, rather than bashing him in my article, because it’s an opinion, certainly not a fact.

    So he did fantastic at the PGA Champ, but at the President’s Cup, against a group of golfers I would say generally matches up very well with this particular field as far as skill-levels (actually the entire USA president’s cup team is playing in this event except for Mickelson) … he didn’t score a single point. Haas, Walker, and Kirk all did. Now before I get jumped again – please know that it is not lost on me that that is a HORRIBLE short sample, in a match-play event, against ridiculous competition, where some of his scores depended on the play of a teammate golfer – etc! … … … but … I think it is safe to say he did not play very well there against these guys.

    So which Lahiri is the real Lahiri against an elite field? President’s cup Lahiri or PGA Champ Lahiri? Obviously likely somewhere inbetween. I think its fair to say he’s a little more of an “unknown” than everyone else in the field – even if you watched him every chance you got, and compiled every statistic he’s ever scored – you still wouldn’t have seen him as much as most of these other guys, and you still would be left wondering how his stats would translate against an elite 18-golfer field at an invitational event at a course that’s never been played in competition by these guys. All I’m saying is that I think he’s not going to end up being as good as most people think, which puts him at the bottom of the pack since most people (vegas) already think he’s going to be, what, the best of the worst? Meh.

    We’re all going to disagree, and let me say that Cardinals and zshatz are two guys who I appreciate reading their stuff, and I appreciate the criticism, but I feel like if you guys can take some back … you jumped me a little bit!

    I knew it was an opinion that some people would disagree with. But honestly if I said that about any other golfer, I think people could have made fell-founded arguments that disagreed with me. And like I said I just wasn’t trying to incite a riot, I’ve just been sitting here, and in my opinion, he’s overrated right now! And I figured you know what, I’m going to post on the thread that I don’t like him this week! Maybe I worded it in a way that was more inciteful than insightful, and for that I apologize, but I stand by my opinion going in (because believe it or not I am very familiar with him – I just don’t think people factor in the difference in talent level on the two tours well enough – OWGR included) … I don’t like him this week! I think he’s the least talented golfer in the field! And I think that is not a ludicrous opinion since he’s tightly grouped with four others at the bottom of the vegas odds!

    Fair enough!?

    LOL I can’t wait for him to win now. I don’t think he’s the worst golfer ever, not by a long shot! And if there were ever an event where truly every single golfer has a tangible chance at winning, this is it! I just think he’s going to have the hardest time competing in this field. He’s had some good events, for sure, and some of those events have had as stiff of a field as you’ll ever see … I just think the hype train has gotten out of the station a little bit early on this one.

    I will say he’s definitely on a good career arc and is likely to be a lot better next month and the month after – but I really feel like the allure is drawing people to him more, when some of the golfers right next to him are better. Just my two cents.

    I’d like to turn the question then – if Lahiri’s not the worst golfer in the field, then who is? Surely one of those five guys, I’d guess, but I think a lot of people will have different opinions. I’m not going to be wagering money on any of the guys in that bottom five this week because I’m not playing the GPPs (if you want to call them that), so I thought it would be fun to share my opinion and see if it panned out.

    Just wanted to be clear that I was not shooting off at the mouth – I stand by my opinion, but I hope that maybe by clarifying it some it will be deemed less offensive to everybody else!

    ……. really dreading his dominance now. I’m actually more excited to watch this week as a fan than I am to play in the DK contests, if that makes any sense, which is odd for me. I just wanted to share my stance, and have it on record, for the explicit purpose of opening myself up to ridicule if it went wrong! I don’t have any money on him, or the other guys in his price range, but now at least I’ve got a little skin in the game! BUT I did not mean to offend you guys … and I’ll back off some of the fiery rhetoric, but I still think he’s going to do bad!

    Can we all be friends again now? :)

    Also in light of this, (and surely this will get lost once the tournament starts and nobody is likely to see this thread until its started) … I’m taking it Lahiri won’t be lowest owned after all? Maybe that was some personal bias by me. I guess Horschel could give him a run. Walker in my mind has been just so bad for so long, I would be shocked if he decided to turn it around right here right now, but I think people will still pick him off of the results from almost a year ago and the name recognition he received by being a fixture near the top of the fedex cup race for virtually the entire season. He’s got as much upside as anybody, I guess we’d have to say. So that’s an interesting question now, too!

    Good luck guys. Hope everything’s a little clearer now! I appreciate the responses, and especially appreciate zshatz for not only criticizing me but contributing some really solid analyses after he was done putting me in my place!

    Wow that is a wall there brother. I can’t believe anyone is actually offended. Just questioning your statement.

  • busterdae1799

    @hokie2009 said...

    I hope daj5mg talked you off of him more than I did … … … I’m nervous about it myself now hearing others rain down such fury on me!!

    So – don’t change your lineups JUST because of something I said – but if you agree for more reasons than just that, go for it!

    I think casey, for the money, … well I guess I’m just a sucker for GIR/t2g play. I can’t seem to avoid him.

    That pairing with him and Koepka … talk about volatile … it will be interesting to watch that roller coaster that neither of them can seem to get off of … I’ll be rooting for both, though!

    Scott scares the bejeesus out of me BUT … really hard to argue against him. Some question marks with the putter, obviously, but he’s proven he’s not a totally lost cause there, so if that happens, he’s easily the most under-priced guy … if it goes the other way, it could be ugly … I don’t have him on my team because I’m scared of him, but I’m also scared of him very easily beating me especially at that price if his putter wakes up on the right side of bed 4 days in a row …

    I think the “I might regret not having any ______” this week could be said about almost the entire field … I’m playing him (rose) for the first time in awhile, but moreso this week than any, a lot of the roster decisions are just finessing the best guys you can fit given what’s left after you lock in your top values … I told a buddy of mine who’s playing for the 3rd or 4th time ever this week that …… there really is no bad lineup, they’re all good enough to win, and its going to come down to an outlier performance and they only have to beat 17 other guys so … just gotta go with who you WANT to have on your team and let it rip, and hope the margins play out this week.

    For the record though amongst the cheap plays Kirk is my favorite still, I just think he’s gotten pretty buried, popularity-wise and salary-wise, after his broken hand last year, and I don’t see why he shouldn’t be returning to form right … about … now ….

    or maybe next time! but soon! at least that’s my feeling.

    exhausted! see y’all tomorrow to eat my crow, etc. !

    I bet you are exhausted. Step away from the keyboard.

  • busterdae1799

    Thought we would get more coverage somewhere for this event. Nothing online at all.

  • SteveIsTall

    Scott with the eagle. Crown him.

  • busterdae1799

    I have zero horschel or scott. Not the best start.

  • SteveIsTall

    Not worried about Horschel.

    Is #2 like the easiest hole on tour?

  • hokie2009

    If the length of my reply is a little overwhelming … all I can say is y’all don’t know the empty feeling that can be created in a man when he is PUT ON BLAST by stlcardinals84 on a public forum! :) :)

    I doubt anyone reads it anyhows … it’s about a 10-minute read for an average reader, but I think we’re all … a little above-average, around here …

    cliffs notes: OWGR is biased against PGA Tour pros, and the PGA Tour is the only true “major leagues”, so I think Lahiri is overrated compared to his American counterparts, simply because I believe they’ve done better against better competition for a longer period of time, basically. Lahiri has some extremely good (PGA Champ) results and some recent results against an extremely similar level of competition where he was probably … one of the worst golfers, at that particular event (President’s Cup).

    Neither is representative, probably, of his true long-term form, but it’s my opinion that he’s more likely to repeat a presidents-cup-like performance than he is to repeat a PGA-champ-like performance, and since he’s one of the 5 worst golfers for sure according to vegas, and I think he’s overrated, that puts him square last place, in my mind, going in!

    Now let’s talk about something else (or nothing) until somebody gets hurt or gets a hole in one and we can all simultaneously laugh and cry, all the while hoping that our guys are still in it by the time they actually put the tournament on TV!

    There were no stats to prove it, but, the EXTREME early returns are looking like this will be a ridiculously low-scoring course. A lot of that comes down to the greens and the wind, and well, whatever the conditions are, these guys are eating pancakes off the heads of the first 3 holes! 8 strokes under par after 14 total holes played by the field ……..

  • busterdae1799

    @hokie2009 said...

    If the length of my reply is a little overwhelming … all I can say is y’all don’t know the empty feeling that can be created in a man when he is PUT ON BLAST by stlcardinals84 on a public forum! :) :)

    I doubt anyone reads it anyhows … it’s about a 10-minute read for an average reader, but I think we’re all … a little above-average, around here …

    cliffs notes: OWGR is biased against PGA Tour pros, and the PGA Tour is the only true “major leagues”, so I think Lahiri is overrated compared to his American counterparts, simply because I believe they’ve done better against better competition for a longer period of time, basically. Lahiri has some extremely good (PGA Champ) results and some recent results against an extremely similar level of competition where he was probably … one of the worst golfers, at that particular event (President’s Cup).

    Neither is representative, probably, of his true long-term form, but it’s my opinion that he’s more likely to repeat a presidents-cup-like performance than he is to repeat a PGA-champ-like performance, and since he’s one of the 5 worst golfers for sure according to vegas, and I think he’s overrated, that puts him square last place, in my mind, going in!

    Now let’s talk about something else (or nothing) until somebody gets hurt or gets a hole in one and we can all simultaneously laugh and cry, all the while hoping that our guys are still in it by the time they actually put the tournament on TV!

    There were no stats to prove it, but, the EXTREME early returns are looking like this will be a ridiculously low-scoring course. A lot of that comes down to the greens and the wind, and well, whatever the conditions are, these guys are eating pancakes off the heads of the first 3 holes! 8 strokes under par after 14 total holes played by the field ……..

    Seems since you posted this the course has gotten tougher

  • busterdae1799

    I see 2 double bogeys and 4 bogeys.

  • ninerzfan8

    So lowest owned Horschel 20.6, mats 22.6, Bubba 23.8

    Highest Scott 47.6, Reed 44.1, Spieth 41.0

    There are a total of 1229 unique lineups out of 37713 submitted.

    Kuchar, Scott, Casey, d. Johnson, lahiri, Reed is the most popular lineup with 497 copies.

    All this is for the big $3.

    I got 3 unique and 1 with one other copy out of 4 so I’m happy

  • hokie2009

    Haha yeah as soon as I posted I think two guys bogey’d as soon as I went back to the page. Hence the EXTREME early results qualifier!

    And a lot more since!

    Which, i like! I didn’t want it to be a TOTAL joke, but I am in the mood for some scoring this week!

  • busterdae1799

    man speith the ace. Tough to make up those kinds of points. I’m done

  • ninerzfan8

    Also

    Out of all the unique lineups, 0 used full salary. The highest is 5 different combos of 49800.

    29 lineups picked the 6 lowest priced golfers for 42000

    The least duplicated lineup that spent all 50K has 5 copies, kuchar horschel d Johnson Fowler mats koepka

  • hokie2009

    lol yeah spieth ace

    see y’all in Jan!

    I really hate that part of the DK scoring, REALLY hate it … in theory it should come back around right? But I roster a huge chunk of the field every week pretty much and have NEVER rostered a guy who got an ace! Ever!

    The only thing I can figure is the universe is saving up for the Masters when I get 2 or 3 in one tournament and win it all back. LOL

  • SteveIsTall

    Picked 1 of my LUs and threw it in the Caddy For a Cure because of the overlay. Have a unique LU and am in 15th. Packing for Dominican.

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