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  • Hallison

    Hey FD. Limit the the entries per person in the GPP’s. You thought Condia was a problem. Limit entries to 25 or something. You will see teams of players getting together and becoming a team by combining entries. Is that acceptable? It is probably happening already. Can I put a team together and share the risk with 100 entries.

  • jtwfantasy

    Join a tournament that only allow 1 entry per person. Problem solved.

  • Ross

    You still have to beat the same number of people.
    Why would they become a team in multi entry gpps when they can enter as many times as they want?
    Do you bitch when those people entering 100 times have bad nights and lose?

  • Hallison

    Do you buy Mutual funds or Stocks? You spread the risk by getting a bunch of people to put $ in and but tons of entries. Is this acceptable in FD’s TOS?

  • DevonD9

    If you have the bankroll, you can enter one tournament as much as you can. Doesn’t matter. If you don’t want to play against people who have the bankroll to make multi-entries, then I recommend you to stick to single entry tournaments.

  • Sakelele

    Make your 1 entry count.

  • SoSoFishy

    Even if they limit to 25 what stops them from spreading lineups?

    Poker couldnt stop ghosting, when a player took over for another deep in a tourney.

  • bestintheworld

    BITW

    Amazing how often we go through this discussion a month.

    Tips:

    1. Work at your game and become better. A lot of the players that put in many, many line-ups also have dead line-ups. I don’t know if McJester had any shares of Lee last night. But even if he had ten entries of the many he entered, that helps you.

    2. These tournaments would not be as big without the players with larger bankrolls putting in multiple entries. If you want that first place 5 figure prize, you won’t be able to do it without these guys.

    3. As suggested, enter single entry tournaments. They have the $1 that still has 4000+ fill it regularly. They have a $5 and a $10 as well. Enter those.

    4. As suggested, make your one entry count. I had one line-up/entry total yesterday. I did 20 minutes of research. It took 30th out of 4000+ in the $25. I haven’t played in two weeks.

    5. When I have the time to play regularly, I put one entry typically in a big GPP. I am fine with that one entry, because I have finished very high with that one entry. It can be done. There’s this notion that you have to have a large bankroll to fire multiple bullets at these things. While I don’t deny that it helps, you can also take them down or win with only one. I’ve done it before. So can you.

  • bestintheworld

    BITW

    @rrt7573 said…

    You still have to beat the same number of people.
    Why would they become a team in multi entry gpps when they can enter as many times as they want?
    Do you bitch when those people entering 100 times have bad nights and lose?

    This. People ONLY complain when it affects them in a negative fashion. You’re never going to hear someone demand late swap when David Lee gets scratched well after line-up lock time and it eliminates 20% of the tournament they’ve entered, but they don’t have any shares of him. They will only complain when it hinders them. There are plenty of people out there that had many entries (probably more than McJester) in the tournament last night (and this happens frequently), this is how Fanduel is able to hold such large tournaments. But people only care because they see McJester dominating the top 100. They’re not going to complain about another player who fired in 30 bullets and didn’t do well. This happens in the large field main events as well. Wash, rinse, repeat. Follow my suggestions above. Stop complaining. I don’t have a large bankroll and I will continue to put in my one entry when I have time to play. I have the same advantages and disadvantages as anyone else that is in the same position as me. I don’t have the bankroll to put in 10+ entries. And I know on some nights it hurts me. But there are other nights it helps me. Just like on the nights when Kevin Love gets scratched after tipoff and I have him, and like last night when the Lee news came out, and my one entry didn’t have him.

  • Hallison

    Jeez. The main issue I was trying to ask if it is OK to buddy up with say 10 other players & put together a team & put in hundreds of entries to spread the risk?

  • bestintheworld

    BITW

    @Hallison said…

    Jeez. The main issue I was trying to ask if it is OK to buddy up with say 10 other players & put together a team & put in hundreds of entries to spread the risk?

    Hmmm, that’s not what I gathered from your post the way it began. Also, it comes off a night when McJester had plenty of entries in the top 100. Just seemed like that was your real main issue (it’s not “fair” for one single player to have that many line-ups in the tournament), and I’m not the only one that thought that.

  • duder500

    RG Mod

    @Hallison said…

    Jeez. The main issue I was trying to ask if it is OK to buddy up with say 10 other players & put together a team & put in hundreds of entries to spread the risk?

    Just should have asked this in the first place. This is actually an interesting question.

    One problem you are going to run into is the guy that ends up with 10K in his account and has no interest in honoring the original deal. Then of course you have the tax liability.

  • Putz

    Dan Dierdorf used to give the best advice during his tenure on Monday Night Football:

    Score more points and you’ll win the game!

  • 00oreo00

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    @Hallison said…

    Jeez. The main issue I was trying to ask if it is OK to buddy up with say 10 other players & put together a team & put in hundreds of entries to spread the risk?

    Do you know hard it is to manage 100 different lineups? Also, do you know how hard it is to react to last minute news when you have that many? Anybody who actually tried this would just be asking for trouble. When you have that many lineups, late scratches are bound to get in your way. If a single person decided to buy a significant fraction of GPP entries, I would be elated. Lineup quality goes down as you make more and more of them.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    @00oreo00 said…

    If a single person decided to buy a significant fraction of GPP entries, I would be elated. Lineup quality goes down as you make more and more of them.

    Maybe for most of us humans. But for guys like Naap and HC etc not so much. If they have 50+ lineups there is not one of them that is not well thought out and serves a purpose.

    These guys have monster skill. Give them the chance to work out each position down to a top 3 or 4 plays. Then build around a core with value plays and guys off most average guys radars they become deadly. Most of us can not beat them 80% of the time in a H2H game! Do you think giving them 50 chances to get the optimal lineup you are going to do any better?

    IMO the best chance to win a GPP is to play single entry contests and hope for the best. My best one lineup vs everyone’s else best lineup. I am still a long shot to win but i feel i have a better shot that way.

  • SoSoFishy

    @pokerrob1970 said…

    Maybe for most of us humans. But for guys like Naap and HC etc not so much. If they have 50+ lineups there is not one of them that is not well thought out and serves a purpose.

    These guys have monster skill. Give them the chance to work out each position down to a top 3 or 4 plays. Then build around a core with value plays and guys off most average guys radars they become deadly. Most of us can not beat them 80% of the time in a H2H game! Do you think giving them 50 chances to get the optimal lineup you are going to do any better?

    IMO the best chance to win a GPP is to play single entry contests and hope for the best. My best one lineup vs everyone’s else best lineup. I am still a long shot to win but i feel i have a better shot that way.

    You can do the same thing right? I meam those guys dont know the best plays they just think long n harrd. I do the same thing.

    This is ridic. Eventually they will set caps. They are trying to get the gtd up higher. They only have 250 entries each. They cant play everything. They arent unbeatable theyre just that much better than you are.

    Yes they have a better chance to win. I like that the more time you put in the bigger your edge gets. Start putting more entrys in put more time in or swim quietly with the other fishys.

  • lilprog

    • Blogger of the Month

    I used to be in the camp of believing that multi entries were evil. In fact thats unfortunately one of the things I am well known for after starting a 48 page post last summer. After a year of playing this is the conclusion i have come to. For baseball where you can single stack teams, I think it still ruins the spirit of the game. As such if a site like DK uses single stacks, I just wont play baseball on that particular site, or I`ll enter one of the many single entry tourneys available.

    Outside of that though, Ive changed to accept multi entries. Why? For a couple reasons. First it really sucks to have a single roster for a night and have your first guy scratch or put up a dud and your night is over. Multiple rosters allow you to usually have at least 1-2 late sweats which makes DFS a lot more fun. Second it ADDS not takes away from the strategy. People think it makes it easier to win and that couldn`t be further of the truth. The number of possible rosters you can make are astronomical. Making 50 rosters and not losing money takes an incredible amount of talent and strategy. To me, the more strategy the more fun, so again I am in.

    If any of you are considering DFS as a long term hobby or profession, you have to come to terms with this… The entire industry is a game within the game. Your ability to adapt and change with the industry will determine your success. If you feel your at a disadvantage because your going against a guy with a 100k bankroll, then you need to understand that he is where he is because he played the game well enough to get that bankroll, and then you need to come up with a plan to get your self to that bankroll.

    I know some people see poker and DFS as degenerate gambling, but I contend for some people they become better people because they learn how to be disciplined, how to strategize, and most importantly how to develop, operate, contingency, and execute a plan. The best players in DFS will always be the ones who can 1. adapt, and 2. stick to their plans.

    Guys at the top who get frustrated with these posts are frustrated because the average player has no idea how much time and effort has gone into building their bankroll, and adapting. I`m not even on these guys level, and I can tell you I put alot of effort into adjusting and reanalyzing my strategies and approach. From bankroll management, to where to play, to how to build rosters, and when and what to fade. It`s the game within the game that separates the best from the rest.

  • duder500

    RG Mod

    I don’t think it is a matter of being a fishy as it is a matter of contest selection. I enjoy a random Slam entry but I know my chances are better in a single entry so that is where I focus and how I build my LU.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    @SoSoFishy said…

    You can do the same thing right? I meam those guys dont know the best plays they just think long n harrd. I do the same thing.

    This is ridic. Eventually they will set caps. They are trying to get the gtd up higher. They only have 250 entries each. They cant play everything. They arent unbeatable theyre just that much better than you are.

    Yes they have a better chance to win. I like that the more time you put in the bigger your edge gets. Start putting more entrys in put more time in or swim quietly with the other fishys.

    I am not saying these contests should be gotten rid of. Just that it would be nice to see a site offer more of a selection of single entry games. And actually try and grow them with the same zeal they do with the multi entry games.

  • louiescards

    DK KoTH winner

    @pokerrob1970 said…

    I am not saying these contests should be gotten rid of. Just that it would be nice to see a site offer more of a selection of single entry games. And actually try and grow them with the same zeal they do with the multi entry games.

    I feel like DK has given single entry a shot a few times. Each time they end up back to the level we see now. People chase the high dollar games.

    I love both multi and single entry games. I thought your thread on how to have a big money tourney while still being single entry was perfect. Was pretty bummed to see DK chime in saying that it wasn’t likely (more or less) as I think they are the best fit. Hopefully they give it a shot even if it’s a little lower stakes than you suggested.

  • ActionJunkie

    Yeah, I’m in the other boat. Wish DK would have unlimited entry for GPPs (instead of a ~20/50 limit) like FanDuel.

  • SoSoFishy

    @pokerrob1970 said…

    I am not saying these contests should be gotten rid of. Just that it would be nice to see a site offer more of a selection of single entry games. And actually try and grow them with the same zeal they do with the multi entry games.

    I believe this is an unreasonable expectation. The bigger the prizs pool the more ddaw it has. The single entrys arent as popular. So they arent as big. Its simple economics.

    Theres not enough supply and demand. I put entries in gpp and I still play the singles too. Yea if they didnt have multi entry more fish would play the single. But the people who do put multi entrys cant. Therefore its impossible for single entry tourneys to compete with multi entry.

  • metsfan828

    DK Admin

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    @pokerrob1970 said…

    I am not saying these contests should be gotten rid of. Just that it would be nice to see a site offer more of a selection of single entry games. And actually try and grow them with the same zeal they do with the multi entry games.

    For NBA, we run several single entry GPPS (Dribbler, Swish, Assist, & Dime).

    Like anything if the demand is there, we will increase the size. For example the Assist has had up to an $8k prize pool this year. The prize pool will be sized to meet the interest in these single-entry GPP’s.

  • lilbitmawhney

    @metsfan828 said…

    For NBA, we run several single entry GPPS (Dribbler, Swish, Assist, & Dime).

    Like anything if the demand is there, we will increase the size. For example the Assist has had up to an $8k prize pool this year. The prize pool will be sized to meet the interest in these single-entry GPP’s.

    Side note.. Instead of posting a minimum of 2 shots a day with 8380 entries can you just run 1 big one with 16,760 since both shots always fill?

  • metsfan828

    DK Admin

    • 2014 StarStreet MLB Playboy Mansion Finalist

    @lilbitmawhney said…

    Side note.. Instead of posting a minimum of 2 shots a day with 8380 entries can you just run 1 big one with 16,760 since both shots always fill?

    That would be awesome, but from a technical aspect we wouldn’t be able to run a contest with $16K plus entrants.

  • lilbitmawhney

    @metsfan828 said…

    That would be awesome, but from a technical aspect we wouldn’t be able to run a contest with $16K plus entrants.

    Will this always be a problem or just currently? Is 8380 the absolute max that you can currently handle?

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