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  • Hallison

    Hey FD. Limit the the entries per person in the GPP’s. You thought Condia was a problem. Limit entries to 25 or something. You will see teams of players getting together and becoming a team by combining entries. Is that acceptable? It is probably happening already. Can I put a team together and share the risk with 100 entries.

  • metsfan828

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    8380 isn’t an absolute max. I’m not sure there is a specific fixed max number, but we have to balance contest size along with site speed and reliability. When it comes to contest sizing, our limits will always be evolving.

  • DillingerFour

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    I seem to be noticing a few more single entry tournies over on DKs today. Maybe they all just fill before I typically notice?

  • MRCOOKONUTS

    @jtwfantasy said…

    Join a tournament that only allow 1 entry per person. Problem solved.

    Many of the big money cash games allow unlimited entries-
    Totally unfair in my opinion- There should at least be some semblence of a level playing field for all-not to call out the fantasy expert mcjester,but he admitted to having 40-60 and sometimes 80 entries in just one tournaments
    And he is not alone in doing that-alot easy to be an expert and win if you have enormous amount of entries but not everyone has that type of cash or willing to take that financial risk-i would limit entries to 10 maximum.
    That way on any given day you have a fighters chance to beat the experts.

  • MRCOOKONUTS

    @rrt7573 said…

    You still have to beat the same number of people.
    Why would they become a team in multi entry gpps when they can enter as many times as they want?
    Do you bitch when those people entering 100 times have bad nights and lose?

    anyone that enters that amount of entries daily obviously has a bankroll to back it up- of course they wont win everyday but they will surely win more than they lose and win alot more than the common man who can only afford or only willing to play 1-10 entries—

  • pokerrob1970

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    @louiescards said…

    I feel like DK has given single entry a shot a few times. Each time they end up back to the level we see now. People chase the high dollar games.

    I love both multi and single entry games. I thought your thread on how to have a big money tourney while still being single entry was perfect. Was pretty bummed to see DK chime in saying that it wasn’t likely (more or less) as I think they are the best fit. Hopefully they give it a shot even if it’s a little lower stakes than you suggested.

    Dk befuddles me with their approach to single entry MLB games. I remember last MLB season we were all “discussing” this topic and out of the blue DK tosses out a 100 person (either $50 or 109) contest with no notice on a Saturday night in the early summer. It didn’t fill (shocking) and we were back to 20 person single entry gpps.

    Why not try designating single entry games to 2 buy in levels say $11 and $55. And not run monster multi entry GPPs at those same buy in levels on the same night.

    (For me this is more geared towards Baseball but i assume it would apply to the many people playing NBA as well)

    @SoSOFishy

    I am not sure what is unreasonable about players requesting that a site try to build up its single entry GPP action. If they fill they fill and if they don’t they don’t. But not giving it a fair shot to grow is what seems unreasonable to me. But hey its their sites and all i can do is ask.

  • MRCOOKONUTS

    @MRCOOKONUTS said…

    anyone that enters that amount of entries daily obviously has a bankroll to back it up- of course they wont win everyday but they will surely win more than they lose and win alot more than the common man who can only afford or only willing to play 1-10 entries—

    What a great feeling it would be if everyday you know you have a chance to win big tournaments just like the next guy-
    The big boys here play multiple entries that can be 1000.00 to 2000.00 per tournament- how many here can afford or would risk that?
    Just because someone has more money than you or bigger balls’ shouldnt mean they allowed unfair advantage..

  • McJester

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    Wow. I’m kinda out of the loop and just seeing these threads for the first time. To those supporting me, I GREATLY appreciate it. Not to get all Dr. Phil on here, but I think it says a lot about people who can appreciate the success of others exempt of all negativity/spite.

    To those hating on me, I wish I could say it didn’t affect me but, alas, I’m human. So at the risk of revealing my numerous insecurities…

    I don’t expect everyone to believe it, but I started playing DFS with a 70 dollar loan from my GF a few years ago (pathetic, I know). I’m beyond grateful to have been able to turn that into a nice living, hitting a few GPP’s right off the bat and then slowly building it from there. I recall plenty of nights that guys like Naap, Chop, Primetime etc. would win a tourney playing ten times the entries I had. Did I cry about it? No. I sacked up, studied all their lineups, and pushed myself to get better.

    I have a long way to go, but just to get to where I’m at today I had to win many many tournaments playing single entries (or a handful at most). And even now I win plenty of tournies with single entries (like the Showtime yesterday on DK). To name a few more…

    Going back to last year, I’ve won the Rainmaker easily over 10 times and always with a single entry. Hell, I won the Thursday Bomb twice this year with a single or a handful of entries. And yes, last year I won the Slam multiple times with a fraction of the entries I’m now able to play. I used to play on FD as “TheTakeover”.

    Lol, jeez I already feel ridiculous posting that, but yeah it offends me people think I’m just “buying” the Slam when I know I’ve built my bankroll from almost zero and have worked my ass off to do it.

    Even now with the bankroll to exercise more leverage, I promise you it’s not easy (as any experienced player will attest). What’s absurdly easy is to get wiped out in a giant field even when playing 50+ entries. And I don’t throw darts just wishing to get one in the money. I play for f**king the slaughter. I play to wipe out the whole field, which is why the majority of my tickets are extremely similar. I typically pull 1-2 all nighters a week, trying to create new strategies. Sometimes they work, other times I suck. I could go on and on but somebody would probably have to hit up Dr. Phil on behalf, lol.

    Anyhow, this whole thing is silly because, as many have mentioned, you still have to beat the same amount of people. Furthermore, with late scratches and last minutes updates, I frequently play chains of identical entries which obviously shrinks the field. I’d LOVE for someone to put like 100’s of identical (or very similar entries) into a tourney. It would make it exponentially easier to win.

    I’ll finish by saying the vast majority of the DFS community has been wildly supportive of me and I can’t express how much that means. To the minority of complainers, the first step to winning a GPP is to change your attitude. Stop making excuses. THINK POSITIVE and put that positive energy into your preparation. Take losing in stride, an opportunity to get better. Be consistent, trust yourself, and in time you’ll enjoy plenty of success. Okay, that’s enough. Goodluck!

    I’ll probably be staying off these boards for a while, lol.

  • pokerrob1970

    DraftDay BLB Finalist

    @MRCOOKONUTS said…

    What a great feeling it would be if everyday you know you have a chance to win big tournaments just like the next guy-
    The big boys here play multiple entries that can be 1000.00 to 2000.00 per tournament- how many here can afford or would risk that?
    Just because someone has more money than you or bigger balls’ shouldnt mean they allowed unfair advantage..

    Its not about “fair” no one forces us to play in those contests. What i would like is just to see a few contests of a bigger nature that are not set up that way.

    They don’t “have” to be single entry. Even capped at 5 would be great and if you look at many of these huge multi entry GPPs there are only 10 – 20 guys putting in over 5 entries. So what are we really looking at? Make the contests 100 or 200 entries smaller and limit it to 5 per person. How many guys like me and others don’t play because of the set up but would if it was limited to 5? Would that not more than compensate for the big rollers being limited? We have no idea because the sites are scared to try. And i can’t really fault them as its their money at risk. But if wishes were horses, beggars would ride

  • Putz

    McJester, nice post.

  • Cameron

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    McJester and Mike Moser in early contention for post of the year…

    Great post, McJester. You really don’t need to defend yourself on any level, but I’m glad you did because your story is awesome. To go from $70 to where you’re at is incredible.

    Other RG writers will attest to what can happen in the spotlight of DFS success, and I really hate that anyone is made to feel bad for contributing to our community and the game we all love. – Please don’t stop posting here b/c of a few complaints! Your articles and posts are incredible.

    And Multi-entry arguments have been going on for almost 2 years now (just ask, Naap). In that time the industry has done what? Exploded. – I trust the sites know what they’re doing, and what’s best for the industry :-)

    During that time, PokerRob has consistently posted some constructive single entry tournament concepts that seem feasible. That’s fine. There’s room for both formats in the long-term, and I’m sure that’s not being ignored by the sites. Just don’t hate on the people like McJester (& Naap & others) b/c they prefer multi-entry GPPs to H2Hs. It’s a personal preference, and they’re just playing the game.

  • headChopper

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    @McJester said…

    Wow. I’m kinda out of the loop and just seeing these threads for the first time. To those supporting me, I GREATLY appreciate it. Not to get all Dr. Phil on here, but I think it says a lot about people who can appreciate the success of others exempt of all negativity/spite.

    To those hating on me, I wish I could say it didn’t affect me but, alas, I’m human. So at the risk of revealing my numerous insecurities…

    I don’t expect everyone to believe it, but I started playing DFS with a 70 dollar loan from my GF a few years ago (pathetic, I know). I’m beyond grateful to have been able to turn that into a nice living, hitting a few GPP’s right off the bat and then slowly building it from there. I recall plenty of nights that guys like Naap, Chop, Primetime etc. would win a tourney playing ten times the entries I had. Did I cry about it? No. I sacked up, studied all their lineups, and pushed myself to get better.

    I have a long way to go, but just to get to where I’m at today I had to win many many tournaments playing single entries (or a handful at most). And even now I win plenty of tournies with single entries (like the Showtime yesterday on DK). To name a few more…

    Going back to last year, I’ve won the Rainmaker easily over 10 times and always with a single entry. Hell, I won the Thursday Bomb twice this year with a single or a handful of entries. And yes, last year I won the Slam multiple times with a fraction of the entries I’m now able to play. I used to play on FD as “TheTakeover”.

    Lol, jeez I already feel ridiculous posting that, but yeah it offends me people think I’m just “buying” the Slam when I know I’ve built my bankroll from almost zero and have worked my ass off to do it.

    Even now with the bankroll to exercise more leverage, I promise you it’s not easy (as any experienced player will attest). What’s absurdly easy is to get wiped out in a giant field even when playing 50+ entries. And I don’t throw darts just wishing to get one in the money. I play for f**king the slaughter. I play to wipe out the whole field, which is why the majority of my tickets are extremely similar. I typically pull 1-2 all nighters a week, trying to create new strategies. Sometimes they work, other times I suck. I could go on and on but somebody would probably have to hit up Dr. Phil on behalf, lol.

    Anyhow, this whole thing is silly because, as many have mentioned, you still have to beat the same amount of people. Furthermore, with late scratches and last minutes updates, I frequently play chains of identical entries which obviously shrinks the field. I’d LOVE for someone to put like 100’s of identical (or very similar entries) into a tourney. It would make it exponentially easier to win.

    I’ll finish by saying the vast majority of the DFS community has been wildly supportive of me and I can’t express how much that means. To the minority of complainers, the first step to winning a GPP is to change your attitude. Stop making excuses. THINK POSITIVE and put that positive energy into your preparation. Take losing in stride, an opportunity to get better. Be consistent, trust yourself, and in time you’ll enjoy plenty of success. Okay, that’s enough. Goodluck!

    I’ll probably be staying off these boards for a while, lol.

    Oh man, who,else is motivated! You’ve inspired me to get on a diet tomorrow and lose this NFL winter weight.
    I dare anyone who thinks it’s all about bankroll to go take out a $20K loan and see how far you get. Like Jester said, SACK UP. Stop sucking on moms tit and get it done without crying.

  • cvdynasty

    I like Mcjesters attitude. you have to be the same way… I try and slaughter people. I want that 1 pct owned player on my lineup, that when people look at it, their like why the hell would he play him… I have Kobe Byrant’s mindset, i don’t think there is anyone here better than me in tournament play (whits23, mcjester, maybeeee a few others get honorable mention). I am a beast, a monster. I want people selling their childrens toys cause their broke from tourney play. Someone could put up 5000 entries, and give me just 1. I’ll take that any day of the week. People need to stop whining. Do the research, shut up. Put your big boys pants on, and come play.

    BTW Congrats Mcjester, you’ve been straight slaughtering it. Just hope you stop with your insight on how/why you pick your guys. lol… Your killing me bro.

  • McJester

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    @HeadChopper Not to get all creepy, but you were my idle the weekend you demolished the industry playing Nick Foles everywhere week in 9 when nobody did and he threw 7 td’s, but now you’re my idol in a different way. Thanks for the support, brother.

  • McJester

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    @cvdynasty “I want that 1 pct owned player on my lineup, that when people look at it, their like why the hell would he play him…”

    LOVE that. I recommend about 1 WTF player per GPP lineup. As for the sharing insight thing, a mentor of mine shared similar thoughts to me recently and has me thinking. If you have a compelling argument that this is or will hurt me (and you or anyone) please message me. I have tons of respect for Rotogrinders so I agreed to do it but yeah I’m paranoid about losing any edge. For real, message me if you’re serious about that. Best of luck, bro.

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    @McJester said…

    @cvdynasty “I want that 1 pct owned player on my lineup, that when people look at it, their like why the hell would he play him…”

    LOVE that. I recommend about 1 WTF player per GPP lineup. As for the sharing insight thing, a mentor of mine shared similar thoughts to me recently and has me thinking. If you have a compelling argument that this is or will hurt me (and you or anyone) please message me. I have tons of respect for Rotogrinders so I agreed to do it but yeah I’m paranoid about losing any edge. For real, message me if you’re serious about that. Best of luck, bro.

    I wouldn’t worry about it. This whole website is dedicated to destroying edge. I know the correct strategy for GPP’s but I just can’t bring myself to roster someone like Tyreke Evans or Jermaine O’Neil. Those wtf plays really take balls.

    I’ll try multi-entry tomorrow, and only stick in lineups I don’t like. You have inspired me to step it up!

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