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  • tommykarate

    First off – i completely rely on my own research process fully now in all sports. The only guy i read is Notoroius for his Grind Down writeup each day, as a checks/balances. Today was a perfect example of him knowing something i didnt, in that Arrieta only went 85 last game. He is fantastic and actually uses most of the guys he talks highly of.

    Now things obviously change from when writeups are done – late lineup changes etc; but Petta is someone who i noticed is not even close when it comes to his article each week vs what he plays in cash games. I’m sure his backers will claim these could be tournament plays, but its not mentioned and just take a look at the differences in each play. I am in a bunch of 50/50’s with him and i even joined his h2h to confirm if he has different lineups. Nope – same lineup.

    http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/mlb/56740/420/fanduel-mlb-plays-friday

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/13158/contests/13158-15790733/entries/233527883/scoring?entry=233349488

    Bottom line is that a guy who does this for a living (as he apparently does), should really not be writing articles on a site like this throwing headfakes vs his competition. Its just bad for the industry to have guys like this say one thing and do another.
    I think he may have paid for premium plays – if so, im curious if someone can confirm his recommendations.

    If a mod plans on deleting this, please have the common courtesy to PM me your thoughts on this subject.

  • tommykarate

    Just to confirm if each guy is even mentioned in his “players to consider”:

    Liriano – NO
    Gomes – NO
    Pujols – NO
    Walker – NO
    Valbuena – NO
    Aybar – YES
    Trout – NO
    McCutchen – NO
    Rasmus – NO

    Seriously? This guy is a joke….
    I havent looked at his article in over a month – i really did stop reading anything but Grind Down and my results have greatly improved. i took a peak out of curioisty and its the same bs from earlier in the season..

    I’m sure hes an excellent DFS player and i definitely use guys like him, Birdwings and Noto to compare lineups and figure out why theyre doing something, where ive made mistakes etc…

    but as far as him writing an article for novices to read and rely on – its just wrong considering he will be taking their money 70% of the time…

  • MikeSos760

    It is kind of whack, but half of those players in his lineup are in his top three in the experts consensus rankings thing. He did mention those guys i believe in his grinders live today, at least I remember Him talking up Nelson Cruz as a good tournament option. Maybe those suggestions were more for gpps.. They aren’t bad plays he suggested.

  • SouthernShield

    You can’t expect a guy to ONLY use guys they suggest.

    I know sometimes that I end up with a completely different LU than the one I initially thought I was going to use and I don’t play anywhere the volume these guys do.

  • BeltWieldindad

    Well thats one way to ensure you have an edge in a sport :)

  • tommykarate

    @MikeSos760 said...

    It is kind of whack, but half of those players in his lineup are in his top three in the experts consensus rankings thing. He did mention those guys i believe in his grinders live today, at least I remember Him talking up Nelson Cruz as a good tournament option. Maybe those suggestions were more for gpps.. They aren’t bad plays he suggested.

    i dont know what consensus ranking is.

    hes better off just labeling these writeups as tournament plays – this way he can always leverage the multi-entry angle.

    these plays are never close to his cash games…

  • tommykarate

    @SouthernShield said...

    You can’t expect a guy to ONLY use guys they suggest.

    I know sometimes that I end up with a completely different LU than the one I initially thought I was going to use and I don’t play anywhere the volume these guys do.

    how about maybe 20/30% of what he writes? that wouldnt be giving a lot, but hes not even close to that…

    ive looked at his writeup/lineup on about 5 different occasions this year.
    each and every time they are not even close.

    how in the world can he not have 1 guy in his lineup that is bolded? this isnt the first time, and unfortunately wont be the last.

    then go look at a guy like noto who you know means what he writes.

  • MikeSos760

    @tommykarate said...

    i dont know what consensus ranking is.

    hes better off just labeling these writeups as tournament plays – this way he can always leverage the multi-entry angle.

    these plays are never close to his cash games…

    https://rotogrinders.com/expert-rankings/mlb?site=draftkings

    Does he mention that they are cash game plays? Most people play gpps anyways.

    Here is his rankings for the people he listed in that article.

    He had Arrieta at 3 and Iwakuma not listed.

    He had Posey ranked as 2, Montero ranked as 3 with Castillo not ranked.

    He had Abreu ranked as 1 and Hosmer and Rizzo not ranked.

    He had Altuve as 2, Dozier as 4, and Utley not ranked.

    He had Beltre as 1, A-rod as 5, Sano as 4

    Shortstop he had Correa as 2, Seager as 3, and Aybar not ranked.

    Outfielder he had Cruz as a 7 and Polanco as 4.

    Now for the lineup he actually used.

    Liriano – 2
    Gomes – N/A (Punt play I’m guessing)
    Pujols – 3
    Walker – 1
    Valbuena – N/A (Another punt)
    Aybar – N/A (punt again)
    Trout – 1
    McCutchen – 2
    Rasmus – 10

    It’s not like he suggested terrible plays. I don’t have an issue with what he did, especially if the article was detailed towards gpp players. It was a free article after all.

    Well have a good Friday I’m off!

    Btw, I do not know Hoop and have never talked to him.

  • tommykarate

    i knew the argument would be GPP plays…
    i cant see the link since i dont subscribe – but again, even though his once a week write up is free, they are never sharp plays (like the ones in his actual lineup).

  • louiescards

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    So outside of the fact that this time of year for MLB can be tricky writing articles (which are due early) because of the lineups some of these teams throw out there. Have you not been following his stuff at all this season? Had he “been throwing head fakes” for his picks all season it would be pretty obvious by now.

    To go a little further here are his ranks for each player in the FD consensus rankings here on RG today. So much for head fakes…

    Liriano – 2
    Gomes – N/A
    Pujols – 2
    Walker – 1
    Valbuena – N/A
    Aybar – 2
    Trout – 1
    McCutchen – 3
    Rasmus – 10

  • tommykarate

    @louiescards said...

    So outside of the fact that this time of year for MLB can be tricky writing articles (which are due early) because of the lineups some of these teams throw out there. Have you not been following his stuff at all this season? Had he “been throwing head fakes” for his picks all season it would be pretty obvious by now.

    To go a little further here are his ranks for each player in the FD consensus rankings here on RG today. So much for head fakes…

    Liriano – 2
    Gomes – N/A
    Pujols – 2
    Walker – 1
    Valbuena – N/A
    Aybar – 2
    Trout – 1
    McCutchen – 3
    Rasmus – 10

    a couple of months ago i noticed this same issue, posted something and several people agreed.

    so this has nothing to do with it being a “tricky” time of the year.

    FD consensus ranks is for paying customers i assume? this is not what im talking about. im referring to his article that comes out i believe once a week. i honestly stopped checking and decided today to look since i recalled he was on Fridays.

    How in the world can his article written have ZERO players used from his bolded section and ONE from his players to consider?

    Im shocked that a mod came to his defense – what an absolute joke.

  • hoop2410

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    First off, do you realize that are complaining about a FREE article? Just because I recommend a player does not necessary mean that I’m forced to roster that player on any given day. If you do not care for my recommendations why the hell would you waste your time reading my article? All the players I recommended today were viable options and players I’m certain that Notorious mentioned in his Grind Down article that you are so fond of. It appears as though you are somebody that is simply looking for the easy way out in this industry. Best of luck in the future!!

    Hoop

  • tommykarate

    @hoop2410 said...

    First off, do you realize that are complaining about a FREE article? Just because I recommend a player does not necessary mean that I’m forced to roster that player on any given day. If you do not care for my recommendations why the hell would you waste your time reading my article? All the players I recommended today were viable options and players I’m certain that Notorious mentioned in his Grind Down article that you are so fond of. It appears as though you are somebody that is simply looking for the easy way out in this industry. Best of luck in the future!!

    Hoop

    haha – how did i know you would reply with something like this.

    i can assure you i give a shit less about your picks, as i completely do my own research process. its obviously something you havent just done once, and at least a guy like Noto does actually play at least half of the guys he writes up.

    easy way out – yeah, you nailed it bud.

    at least you publicly just admitted your “free” article is nothing more then a DFS read and not “plays” as you label them. just stamp them GPP plays and you’ll look a lot better. no need to deceive your competitors.

    ONE player (Aybar) mentioned…..absolutely comical.

    i dont read your article – i opened it today out of curiosity, as i used to read it back earlier in the season when i was more green and learning.

    Notos Grind Down always touches on most players – check out his once a week article that gets fed onto Rotoworld (like yours). the last time i recall seeing that, he most certainly used many of the players (of course not every player)…

  • neogamer

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    Easy there tommykarte. These articles are written early in the day so of course his view on the slate is going to change. He has multiple DNP’s in there also. Those are all solid plays that he gave out, so please get out of here with the head fake garbage. This is an unfounded attack on a respected writer for this site, so please don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

  • tommykarate

    @neogamer said...

    Easy there tommykarte. These articles are written early in the day so of course his view on the slate is going to change. He has multiple DNP’s in there also. Those are all solid plays that he gave out, so please get out of here with the head fake garbage. This is an unfounded attack on a respected writer for this site, so please don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

    its the truth neogamer; you wont admit it in public, but the guys articles are always absolute 180’s from his plays.

    so sorry that i brought this up and offended everyone (Mods)….

    oh and mike…..i guess its a good thing i dont rely on touts to make my lineups (as you insinuated)

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/13158/contests/13158-15790733/entries/233527883/scoring?entry=233349488

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  • MikeSos760

    @tommykarate said...

    oh and mike…..i guess its a good thing i dont rely on touts to make my lineups (as you insinuated)

    I don’t know where I insinuated that you use touts to make your lineups?

  • tommykarate

    @MikeSos760 said...

    I don’t know where I insinuated that you use touts to make your lineups?

    not you – petta

    i’ll let this go and mods feel free to hide the thread and delete it – whatever you feel is appropriate.

    the one thing i didnt want to point out to anyone who may think i am just a novice player crying over not getting his good plays for my lineups. if i was relying on his plays from that article, i would have a lot more then just ONE of those guys in my lineup (im a 1 cash game lineup per night guy)…that argument would look a lot better if i had arrieta, abreu, altuve etc…so no petta, i can care less about your plays.

    actually i shouldn’t say that – i definitely respect the actual plays you make and search out you, birdwings etc to compare my lineups against.

    thats the best way to get good at this – learn what the better players are doing, and figure out why.

  • tommykarate

    all this drama and i didnt even realize i may actually take home my 1st GPP

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/13158/contests/13158-15775931/entries/233154460/scoring

    good thing i always use MY cash game lineup in the $1 bunt….im sure the mods arent rooting for me, but this would be a funny night to finally win a tournament. i suck at them to be honest, but im a single bullet non algo guy — for now :)

  • hambazaza

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    tommykarate, you probably would have come off looking less bitter had you just reached out to hoop and asked him directly why he jumped off the guys he wrote up. instead of the seemingly personal attack.

    i dont know if you meant this to be personal against hoop, but it appears that way from the outside looking in.

  • sethayates

    @tommykarate said...

    all this drama and i didnt even realize i may actually take home my 1st GPP

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/13158/contests/13158-15775931/entries/233154460/scoring

    good thing i always use MY cash game lineup in the $1 bunt….im sure the mods arent rooting for me, but this would be a funny night to finally win a tournament. i suck at them to be honest, but im a single bullet non algo guy — for now :)

    Wow man! You nailed it. Would you be able to write an article for tomorrow’s slate? Just post it here in the forums. Myself and others would love to have your picks. Also, the deadline is 8AM tomorrow morning and you won’t be able to come back and change any of the picks. I’m looking forward to your article!

  • louiescards

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    @tommykarate said...

    all this drama and i didnt even realize i may actually take home my 1st GPP

    https://www.fanduel.com/games/13158/contests/13158-15775931/entries/233154460/scoring

    good thing i always use MY cash game lineup in the $1 bunt….im sure the mods arent rooting for me, but this would be a funny night to finally win a tournament. i suck at them to be honest, but im a single bullet non algo guy — for now :)

    Nobody is offended, hiding this thread, or rooting against you man. You came on here and tried to call out one of the more respected players in DFS. Despite the fact that he did recommend the players he has in his roster here on RG you continue to act as though he is pulling some stunt.

    But by all means, carry on with whatever it is you are doing at this point.

    Oh and GL in the GPP

  • tommykarate

    @hambazaza said...

    tommykarate, you probably would have come off looking less bitter had you just reached out to hoop and asked him directly why he jumped off the guys he wrote up. instead of the seemingly personal attack.

    i dont know if you meant this to be personal against hoop, but it appears that way from the outside looking in.

    i posted this same thing earlier in the season, so i know it wasnt a once off tonight, and back then he didnt care to comment – i used to read articles more frequently when i was trying to figure out my own research process, and noticed this for about 4-5 weeks with him. out of curioisity only i looked tonight and the rotoworld article was again waaay off from his cash game.

    several people agreed with me in an open thread back a few months ago.

    it is what it is….at least his paid for picks are more in line with his actual plays.
    i wont write about it again…but it had to be brought up.

  • tommykarate

    @sethayates said...

    Wow man! You nailed it. Would you be able to write an article for tomorrow’s slate? Just post it here in the forums. Myself and others would love to have your picks. Also, the deadline is 8AM tomorrow morning and you won’t be able to come back and change any of the picks. I’m looking forward to your article!

    haha – well played…

    i wont beat a dead horse

  • hambazaza

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    @tommykarate said...

    i posted this same thing earlier in the season, so i know it wasnt a once off tonight, and back then he didnt care to comment – i used to read articles more frequently when i was trying to figure out my own research process, and noticed this for about 4-5 weeks with him. out of curioisity only i looked tonight and the rotoworld article was again waaay off from his cash game.

    several people agreed with me in an open thread back a few months ago.

    it is what it is….at least his paid for picks are more in line with his actual plays.
    i wont write about it again…but it had to be brought up.

    you didn’t just bring it up though, you were acting like he’s purposely trying to screw people over. this is why you’re getting some backlash.

  • tommykarate

    @louiescards said...

    Nobody is offended, hiding this thread, or rooting against you man. You came on here and tried to call out one of the more respected players in DFS. Despite the fact that he did recommend the players he has in his roster here on RG you continue to act as though he is pulling some stunt.

    But by all means, carry on with whatever it is you are doing at this point.

    Oh and GL in the GPP

    Paid for on RG is a lot different then his free article on Rotoworld im referring to (in which the novice player/opponent does read)…

    Lets just drop it…..

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