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  • whodat2

    When: March 29 – April 1

    Where: Humble, Texas

    Course: Golf Club of Houston | A Par 72 playing at 7441 yards.

    Last Year’s Winner: Ian Poulter at -19

    Last Year’s Cut: -3

    Coverage: PGATourlive | Golf Channel | NBC

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    Admin Note: The mod team is working to keep these daily threads more on topic – Golf strategy talk for this week’s contest. Post referring to last week’s contest will be moved to the correct thread. Any off topic posts or posts containing full lineups will be deleted..

  • mgravity

    @BIF said...

    More on overaeeding for those that want to know – not my words below as I just grabbed it from an article

    In golf, “overseeding” refers to a maintenance process on golf courses in which grass seed is spread on top of the existing grass to promote new growth or to swap out seasonal turfs, replacing one type of grass with another.

    Overseeding is most commonly done by courses that use bermudagrass, which goes dormant during winter months. In the fall, a bermudagrass golf course overseeds with, for example, ryegrass seed on top of the bermudagrass. Then, as the bermudagrass is going dormant for the winter, the ryegrass grows in.

    In spring, the process is reversed: Bermudagrass seed is put down on top of the ryegrass, switching the course’s turf back to bermuda.

    (Bermuda and rye are used as examples because the overseeding of those turfgrasses in partnership is fairly common. Various types of grasses might be involved in overseeding, but the process is most commonly used to switch a golf course over from a warm-season grass to a cool-season grass, and back again.)

    Overseeding thus keeps a growing turfgrass available for golfers to play on.

    Aesthetics of Overseeding
    It should be noted, however, that some types of golf course grasses are still perfectly playable even when dormant. Those dormant grasses turn brown or tan in color, however—they look dead, in other words, even though they aren’t—and many golfers and golf course staffs don’t like the cosmetics of brown putting greens.

    Some golf courses overseed the tees, fairways, and greens while leaving the grass in the rough alone, which goes dormant. This can actually create a great cosmetic appearance with the color of the green playing surfaces really popping in juxtaposition to the brown, dormant rough.

    Another article specifically about overseeing in Houston area

    https://www.chron.com/sports/golf/article/Courses-must-determine-the-value-of-overseeding-2074049.php

    BIF is most often correct about everything golf…But I have to say I do not know of any course with Bermuda that was seeded and certainly not over seeded with Bermuda in the spring. Bermuda is sprigged…old dead looking hay like shit is spread on the course and a disc is used to “plow” it in. In the spring the rye dies off and the Bermuda comes back. it is amazing though how much rye seed goes down in the fall (Around here,Central Florida late like November) because each blade is 1 seed and stays that way it is not a runner. I over seed much of my lawn and some pasture and use like a real ton$ of seed because it looks so damn good. Check me if I am wrong BIF only because I want to find a good Bermuda seed that will grow and fill in fast?

  • titanhawks

    I remember playing in that hay-like furrowed horse food shit when our course switched to Bermuda fairways but they don’t do it after that.

    It goes dormant but does not die and will take over anything seeded over the top of it when it awakens in the spring

  • kps3205s

    Just donated/burned my $1 to the Euro again this week. There are 4 spots left to fill!!!

  • timusbr

    @superstars92 said...

    You sure his putting is his strength? I would imagine he’s amazing at driving accuracy, SG: Approach, and GIR and absolutely garbage at putting.

    your right about everything. Except to say his putting is garbage. He is a high variance guy in putting. He bounces around from not good to actually brilliant, but in general middle of the road or a tad better than average I guess I remember making money on him a few years ago and he was brilliant.

  • keephustlincuz

    @cjousma said...

    Francesco going to be chalk city at the Italian Open but I think you have to eat the chalk similar to Rahm last week in Spain.

    Already have soderberg. I was hoping to see a flier on laporta.

    Gotta jam those Italians in.

  • BIF

    @BerkeleyBoss said...

    Graham DeLaet way too cheap?

    Here’s some info on DeLaet and what he has gone through the past two years

    https://golfcanada.ca/article/canadas-delaet-back-work-two-year-hiatus

  • BIF

    @BrianVT said...

    Lanto appears to be highest ownership, followed by Stenson, Scheffler, Tringale, Henley, Berger, Munoz. Go overweight at your own risk.

    This totally baffles me – it’s not like Lanto is 6300

  • BIF

    @mgravity said...

    BIF is most often correct about everything golf…But I have to say I do not know of any course with Bermuda that was seeded and certainly not over seeded with Bermuda in the spring. Bermuda is sprigged…old dead looking hay like shit is spread on the course and a disc is used to “plow” it in. In the spring the rye dies off and the Bermuda comes back. it is amazing though how much rye seed goes down in the fall (Around here,Central Florida late like November) because each blade is 1 seed and stays that way it is not a runner. I over seed much of my lawn and some pasture and use like a real ton$ of seed because it looks so damn good. Check me if I am wrong BIF only because I want to find a good Bermuda seed that will grow and fill in fast?

    I’m no Bermuda grass expert as I’m about 1500 miles from the nearest course with Bermuda greens – this is why I copy/pasted from an article and linked another specifically on overseeding in Houston area.

    Agree with you that I have not heard of a course overseeding back to Bermuda as I was always told the dormant Bermuda grass just comes back in spring but I’m wondering if the weather or soil is different enough in Houston area that they need to do something extra in spring ? Where I live it’s mostly Bent (and often with Poa that has crept on and now uncontrollable) or newer courses have A4 Bent greens – then in late October we over-snow for about 5 months then in early April it’s green again.

  • Dunzor

    Hey guys, new Quest blog post is up including a detailed breakdown of this week’s course. Please enjoy and leave a comment with your thoughts:

    https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/the-quest-establish-your-process-3148449

  • lfn1992

    @Dunzor said...

    Hey guys, new Quest blog post is up including a detailed breakdown of this week’s course. Please enjoy and leave a comment with your thoughts:

    https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/the-quest-establish-your-process-3148449

    This is excellent.

  • lfn1992

    I know this isn’t the right place for this, but I am having a blasted time making NHL LUs with the new scoring. It feels like stacking lines no longer works?

    Then I played golf

  • superstars92

    @Kingspark35 said...

    Do you think Henley is good value?

    I don’t.

    No one is good value here. Champ and Harman are 10k+ lol.

  • byo34

    Just looking at tee times.. boy I hope there is a PM/AM advantage! Ended up with 11 PM and 4 AM.. Though 1 of those AM guys I went 100%, so I am sure Henley misses the cut. Realistically I hope he can top 10 and I hit on the rest of my guys..

  • superstars92

    @byo34 said...

    Just looking at tee times.. boy I hope there is a PM/AM advantage! Ended up with 11 PM and 4 AM.. Though 1 of those AM guys I went 100%, so I am sure Henley misses the cut. Realistically I hope he can top 10 and I hit on the rest of my guys..

    Seems like all my guys are PM/AM too…looks like there’s some rain on Friday morning (50/50).

  • cjousma

    @keephustlincuz said...

    Already have soderberg. I was hoping to see a flier on laporta.

    Gotta jam those Italians in.

    2 cheap Italians I’m intrigued by are Enrico Di Nitto and Edaordo Rafaelle Lipparelli.

    Lipparelli has golfed in 3 Euro tournaments in his career all in Italy. He has made the cut in all 3 and finished in the back of the pack.

    Di Nitto hasn’t had that much luck in the Euro events he’s golfed in – only making the cut once in 6 or 7 attempts.

    Laporta has more experience on the Euro tour in his career. He’s had mixed results in the Italy Euro events. 7th place finish at the Rocco Forte in 2018. But a handful of MCs in the Italian Open.

    All 3 carry risks – I like Laporta from an experience standpoint but if I were take a flier I would probably roll the dice with Lipparelli and hope he makes the cut and finishes in the 50s.

  • mtdurham

    I’m realllllly trying not to overthink this week so I made all my lineups already.

    I love my builds but they are a nice tight pool of players. I refuse to read anything that talks me off these guys.

  • timusbr

    @mtdurham said...

    I’m realllllly trying not to overthink this week so I made all my lineups already.

    I love my builds but they are a nice tight pool of players. I refuse to read anything that talks me off these guys.

    LMAO, to me this sounds like a massive tinker job about to happen.

  • timusbr

    @cjousma said...

    2 cheap Italians I’m intrigued by are Enrico Di Nitto and Edaordo Rafaelle Lipparelli.

    Lipparelli has golfed in 3 Euro tournaments in his career all in Italy. He has made the cut in all 3 and finished in the back of the pack.

    If Lipparelli makes the cut and I win some money, This was a big help. I was using higher salaries in this event and using Lip allowed me to use another player I liked. A cut and a few fantasy points is all I am asking for.

    Thanks Cj

  • mtdurham

    @Dunzor said...

    Hey guys, new Quest blog post is up including a detailed breakdown of this week’s course. Please enjoy and leave a comment with your thoughts:

    https://rotogrinders.com/blog-posts/the-quest-establish-your-process-3148449

    Here’s my feedback. First of all, very interested in your process as I’m somewhat weak at golf (mostly due to lack of sport knowledge) but I’m good at math/MME concepts.

    I think you do a really good job of identifying key plays/fades each week so if you grasp MME strategy and concepts equally as well I think you’ve got the chops to be pretty successful at this (as I’ve mentioned many times before).

    One thing that strikes me as a BIT odd is that you talk about tackling MME but you’ve started by entering 3 lineups in a 150-max field… why not a 3-max? You’re entering lineups that are massive dogs to win anything substantial and progress up the ranks naturally. It’s either the expected -50% ROI every week or the lucky boink… either way it seems a bit artificial for something you’ve obviously put a lot of thought into.

    Anyway just my two cents. I realize this is just kinda experimental to test in the fall before revving up for the main season in January.

    I come from a poker background where a lot of bloggers and forum posters were extremely data driven about moving up in stakes in their quests.

    That said, the more enjoyable and entertaining threads were always by the “shot takers” so if that’s the angle you’re pursuing I get it.

    I guess if I had to articulate it. Playing 3 lineups in the 150max best ball is borderline bankroll suicide. Now as someone familiar with your posts and track record I’m not going to think more or less of you whether you finish in 3rd overall or go 0-3 cashing in that event. Golf is pretty darn arbitrary week to week already but even moreso when your lineups represent an irrelevant percentage of the field.

    Now I know $24 worth of lineups in this weeks $8 fastball is irrelevant to your “bankroll”. But if you’re really trying to tackle this from a “grinders” perspective and not just a “I have money and I can afford to reload whenever I want” perspective then I think it makes a lot of sense to start with a clearly established bankroll, rule based game selection, etc.

    Anyway that’s all just my perspective I’m not trying to hijack your blog or tell you how to do it. I just think you’ve got a good idea here but throwing 3 entries in a 150-max is more like “sink or swim”, “boink or doink” mentality. Now that you’re MME’ing you’ll find the uniqueness of the challenge it presents.

    MME is a lot more challenging than single entry.
    Single Entry only requires you to identify “good plays” and “bad plays”, “mispricings”, “course fits”, “chalk”, etc.

    MME requires you to actually quantify that information.

    You can “fade” anyone with one lineup. But with 20 or 150 lineups that takes a whole new set of balls and precision.

    That’s why I think you’ll be really good at MME. Golf is a sport where other people’s plays are parroted. Touts rule the land. A guy can be no one one week and total chalk the next. The ability to fade bad chalk is a lot more important than most sports. That’s because of the cut. Imagine if a football/basketball player underperformed in the first half if he didnt get to play in the 2nd?

    Imagine if nearly half the player pool in other sports put up FPS within 5-10% of one another?

    Extreme takes In golf are punished more often than they are rewarded. That’s why you see most professionals play fairly wide & balanced player pools in golf.

    “Fading” the winner of a tournament can be an absolute bankroll disaster just as going all-in on a core of “cutmakers” can be.

    Its a sport that very few people have mastered thus far and that’s why the opportunity still exists to succeed.

  • mtdurham

    I think I’m only playing 20 lineups this week and I’m doing so with an extremely narrow player pool.

    I doubt I’m all that chalky this week so I’ll stick with my narrative and play a tight player pool and hope I dont get smoked.

    I dont wanna try to cover every base in the offseason when the opposing players are this strong.

    That said I love my narrative this week and I dont wanna find myself in a position like last week where I make great plays but I’m not covering nearly enough combos

  • mtdurham

    Screw it I made 8 more than lineups. 28. Lfg.

  • hautalak

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    Scared of Henley here but he will be in 100% of my lineups. So far he’s paired with Cink for me in all those. Idk how I feel about that but there seems to be a strong correlation with CH here so I thought Cink fit. I am searching for those elusive 6/6s as I haven’t had any since the new rule (guys always at the old cut line!).

  • BrianVT

    @BIF said...

    This totally baffles me – it’s not like Lanto is 6300

    Yea, I don’t get it, but looks like he’s getting talked about everywhere.

  • Kingspark35

    Probably, thoughts are that SG putting will be important.

    It seems ‘The Lanto’ has never eaten red meat.

    If I don’t make a profit this week, I may have to eat some Humble pie. lol

  • BrianVT

    @hautalak said...

    Scared of Henley here but he will be in 100% of my lineups. So far he’s paired with Cink for me in all those. Idk how I feel about that but there seems to be a strong correlation with CH here so I thought Cink fit. I am searching for those elusive 6/6s as I haven’t had any since the new rule (guys always at the old cut line!).

    Careful with Cink, Sank, Sunk

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