• ldmariodl28

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    Ok so after a month of getting back into DFS I am focused on GPP Only. Im starting with a $1K BR and playing $1 GPPs and the $0.25 GPP.

    When allocating $50, what do you recommend..

    I am trying to figure out, after maxing the .25 GPP, maxing out the $1 Solo for 20 entries (which pays the top 20%) and then 25 entries in the mini max (which pays top 25%), or just putting 45 entries into the minimax.

    Obviously as my BR grows or shrinks the # of entries I have in the minimax will grow or shrink on that given day.

    So in a nutshell, 20 teams in the Solo and 25 teams in the minimax or 45 teams in the minimax

    (Note – all teams will be unique spread out in the different contests)

  • DFSx42

    Your BRM is very disciplined, that’s awesome. However, you’re looking at this wrong by not looking at rake structures and payout structures.

    The percentage to get paid in a gpp is largely irrelevant. In fact, you should honestly just ignore min payouts since if that were a goal, you’d just do cash games instead. If you break down gpp payouts multiples by the frequency in which you’d naturally land at those finishing points (if all lineups had an equal chance) then none of the slots will ever payout enough to be profitable. What I’m saying is you shouldn’t ever care about anything other than a top 10 or better finish in a gpp because literally the only way to be a long term earner in them to hit those top 3 or top 5 payout slots at a rate above natural expectation. That’s what I’m saying, you gotta see how swiftly the payout structures drop down. There are some gpps with thousands of entries that don’t even payout 10x once you get past 4th place. For those, you should essentially treat them like a winner take all. You can run like god in those, hit a 5th place finish way more frequently than you ever would naturally and still be a net loser despite being better than all but 4 other lineups and beating thousands once per month.

    Also, as a general rule, you shouldn’t be entering an MME contest unless you are MMeing it yourself. Just too many ping pong balls out there. If you want to mme you should only mme stuff that you can so fully and within brm.

    To be honest though, I think you should probably be looking at things with fewer entries if you’re going to be allocating so little each slate. You also need to factor in rake much more, when you have so little in play that difference between 17% and 10% really impacts how long you can run bad without needing to drop down in stakes.

  • Jvanspro

    My suggestion would be don’t play the .25 GPP. You will lose in that one long term.

    Focus on GPP’s with less entries and single entry and 3-25 max entry, if you want to be profitable. If you don’t care about losing and are just doing it for fun, go for it.

  • ldmariodl28

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    I guess I should have explained my mindset.. No I dont care if I lose, just doing this for entertainment and hoping to hit a good score once or twice during the season. I rely on Poker as side income, so this is just as a way to enjoy the game while having some upside. That being said I believe in good BR management still. I also enjoy playing multiple lineups so im not to interested in single entry. Thats why my main question is would you max out the 20max first and then hit up the mini-max or just forgoe the 20 max and put those extra entries into the mini max.

  • Jvanspro

    I got ya. I say go for it then, have fun but try to maintain BM so you can play the majority of the season.

    I’d also like to point out you can still run multiple lineups in single entry. I do this each nigh in multiple SE contests.

  • lpdev

    I would go all in on the mini-max over splitting unique entries out into the Solo Shot in that scenario. I would hate to set myself up for the scenario where my huge lineup lands in the Solo Shot and I would have made 20x the money if it would have been in the mini-max.

  • dabouch1988

    Play one $50 Single Entry with your best lineup

  • kujo33

    Not sure what stage contest sizing is like for mlb but I would definitely consider throwing in at least the $12 single entry contest. In my personal experience most of my larger wins have come in limited entry contests because you can be much farther from the optimal lineup and still win big.

  • AVivier

    I dunno, I kinda disagree with the premise.

    “Bankroll” and “Bankroll Management” are over and misused words. If someone’s “bankroll” is actually $500 where they can’t redeposit if they lose it, their best move is to withdraw it and buy food.

    Anyway, the basic DFS concept of trying to find a player with the highest ceiling and a solid floor doesn’t just apply to your roster, that should be how you think of your money too.

    If it’s a slate you believe you found an edge in, pound it, if it’s a slate that you didn’t, maybe just do a single entry to still go through work.

    Obviously don’t be an idiot and tilt away your money, but don’t be constrained by bad guidelines. Just my 2¢.

  • sirrobert6

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    @AVivier said...

    I dunno, I kinda disagree with the premise.

    ^ This exactly.


    I like where your head is at ldmariodl28 and your heart is in the right place as well, but IMO what you are setting up is inherently incorrect, and given the amount of things already working against your fav, you are going to need to either be perfect or absurdly lucky to make money.

    If you have a 1k bankroll you shouldn’t be playing $1 GPP’s. What you want to do, max-entry the $1 and less, is SUPER SUPER -EV.

    By reading what you said (I don’t care if I lose/doing this for entertainment), I take it you don’t consider yourself to be a very good DFS player, or at the very least you aren’t here to invest 1k worth of time as well. Which is totally fine, you’d know better how you feel.

    But, I think one thing you are missing is your mind is thinking about how much you can win (classic GPP outlook). What you should be considering is how much you could lose. You can lose a lot more than you can win in the $1. There is very little value in playing those GPP’s. Even max-entering, it’s just not there.

    Since you are asking for opinions: I would play SE/3 entry max $12 and under. If you are playing GPP exclusively I’d also play less every slate overall (until you get to 10kish), maybe closer to $30/slate. I’d also suggest to play more cash lol, especially the $5 and less SE dbl ups.

    So yeah, you’ve obviously got the foundation to be super successful at this, BRM is the hardest part. But you are fighting a losing battle based on your self-imposed limitations, and until you drop/alter those it will forever be a losing battle.

  • ldmariodl28

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    So as a follow up on this, here is what I ended up dong, which im enjoying. I decided to max out as many of the dime and quarter 20 max GPPs as possible playing 150 lineups across the contests, usually playing about 500+ entries on the main slates, including playing the 40x contests as well for .25.

    Then im also playing the turbo slates as well, same idea playing as many .10 and .25 GPPs as I can, playing 150 lineups accross all the GPPs. Once I hit a certain profit threshold and can maintain a positive ROI over that time, ill move up to $1 games. Im actually enjoying playing this way and taking my game more serious now. I have def gotten my head back into DFS this way.

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