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  • 8MileAllstars

    DK just put their contests up in the Lobby.

  • Slah

    • 2015 NASCAR Live Final Champion

    Goodness is that scoring system atrocious. Close your eyes and click. That scoring system makes the game a complete crapshoot. Starting position matters more than finishing position. That’s senseless.

    Not to mention some scoring categories aren’t even trackable while sweating the race.

    Glad that somebody finally added NASCAR, but I could see this “lotto”-esque format being a quick turnoff, especially those not interested in the sport to begin with.

  • bowens1984

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    I cant understand how this could be legal, the rule has always been it had to be multi event, golf was borderline enough counting rounds but at least the rounds are played different days.

    This seems like a really bad idea.

  • kingofthehill

    @bowens1984 said...

    I cant understand how this could be legal, the rule has always been it had to be multi event, golf was borderline enough counting rounds but at least the rounds are played different days.

    This seems like a really bad idea.

    The contests are loaded for May 24th, but at the top of the draft page it doesn’t say “Coca Cola 500” which is the May 24th race. Like on the draft page for an MLB contest, all the MLB games for that night are listed, but for this first set of Nascar contests the title of the race isn’t listed at the top of the draft page.
    I am wondering the same.

  • codyallison1026

    I’ll give a shot too. I know a little bit about NASCAR but I’ve been on FIRE doing soccer contest and know very little about the sport. Doing a little research will go a long way and you can be profitable doing these types of Niche sports rather than MLB. Also I expect big overlay

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @bowens1984 said...

    I cant understand how this could be legal, the rule has always been it had to be multi event, golf was borderline enough counting rounds but at least the rounds are played different days.

    This seems like a really bad idea.

    I guess the somewhat flimsy arguments here could be:

    1) Starting positions matter, therefore qualifying matters (separate event)
    2) Laps led matter (each lap represents a new “event” to score points)

    FWIW, here is what Nigel Eccles (Fanduel) said a few months ago:

    We spoke to our lawyers about that recently. The legal status is very negative. NASCAR doesn’t provide a lot of stats that you could construct a fantasy game around, and so any game quickly resembles sports betting. Unless that changes I can’t see us offering fantasy NASCAR.

  • mjtaxpro

    There is NO rule that says it has to be mutli-event. The rule says it cant be one PLAYER in one event (in otherwards, disguised betting on one person to win). If I make up a team of 6 players then it passes the test since I have more than one player.

  • kingofthehill

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    I guess the somewhat flimsy arguments here could be:

    1) Starting positions matter, therefore qualifying matters (separate event)

    This makes the most sense

  • mjtaxpro

    Heres what the law actually says. Carefully read the 3b. It says it cant be based on a single athlete in a single event. If I have a team of 6, its based on 6 athletes in a single event so it passes the test.

    1. All prizes and awards offered to winning participants are established and made known to the participants in advance of the game or contest and their value is not determined by the number of participants or the amount of any fees paid by participants.

    2. All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events.

    3. No winning outcome is based:
a. On the score, point spread, or any performance or performances of any single real world team or any combination of such teams; or b. Solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event.”

  • cookiemanster

    @mjtaxpro said...

    There is NO rule that says it has to be mutli-event. The rule says it cant be one PLAYER in one event (in otherwards, disguised betting on one person to win). If I make up a team of 6 players then it passes the test since I have more than one player.

    Yes there is.

    “All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events.”

    Interesting that DK never responds in threads about this. They don’t seem eager to give their side.

  • dfrandan

    When are NASCAR RG incentives coming? :)

  • Markness

    DraftKings Team

    Hey Guys,

    Our recent partnership with NASCAR allows us access to their live stats feed, and therefore all stats will update in real-time during the race.

    The scoring system is similar to that of season-long fantasy Nascar and provides plenty of opportunity for strategy. We think much of the current DFS community will enjoy our Nascar product, and at the same time, we feel the addition of Nascar will attract many new users to DFS.

    We are very excited for the Coca-Cola 600 and the future of Nascar on DraftKings. Give it a shot and please don’t hesitate to send along any feedback.

    -Mark

  • bowens1984

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    @mjtaxpro said...

    Heres what the law actually says. Carefully read the 3b. It says it cant be based on a single athlete in a single event. If I have a team of 6, its based on 6 athletes in a single event so it passes the test.

    1. All prizes and awards offered to winning participants are established and made known to the participants in advance of the game or contest and their value is not determined by the number of participants or the amount of any fees paid by participants.

    2. All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events.

    3. No winning outcome is based:
a. On the score, point spread, or any performance or performances of any single real world team or any combination of such teams; or b. Solely on any single performance of an individual athlete in any single real-world sporting or other event.”

    Number 2 clearly says multiple real world sporting or other events.

  • bowens1984

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    @Markness said...

    Hey Guys,

    Our recent partnership with NASCAR allows us access to their live stats feed, and therefore all stats will update in real-time during the race.

    The scoring system is similar to that of season-long fantasy nascar and provides plenty of opportunity for strategy. We think much of the current DFS community will enjoy our Nascar product, and at the same time, we feel the addition of Nascar will attract many new users to DFS.

    We are very excited for the Coca-Cola 600 and the future of Nascar on DraftKings. Give it a shot and please don’t hesitate to send along any feedback.

    -Mark

    You skipped over the questions of how nascar is legal seeing that it is a single event

  • Syko

    @Markness said...

    Hey Guys,

    Our recent partnership with NASCAR allows us access to their live stats feed, and therefore all stats will update in real-time during the race.

    The scoring system is similar to that of season-long fantasy Nascar and provides plenty of opportunity for strategy. We think much of the current DFS community will enjoy our Nascar product, and at the same time, we feel the addition of Nascar will attract many new users to DFS.

    We are very excited for the Coca-Cola 600 and the future of Nascar on DraftKings. Give it a shot and please don’t hesitate to send along any feedback.

    -Mark

    Obviously, everyone is interested in how this works with UIGEA. It’s a legitimate concern giving how Black Friday went down. That would be a better place to start rather than worrying about the exact scoring system.

  • mjtaxpro

    @cookiemanster said...

    Yes there is.

    “All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events.”

    Interesting that DK never responds in threads about this. They don’t seem eager to give their side.

    Thanks.

    I’m sure DK has spent lots of money getting a legal opinion about it. No way they’d risk everything else they have for something they’d be unsure of. Its crazy that one sentence says multiple events and another says as long as it isn’t a single athlete in a single event….glad its not me putting my money on the line.

  • Prophet1487

    @cookiemanster said...

    Yes there is.

    “All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events.”

    Interesting that DK never responds in threads about this. They don’t seem eager to give their side.

    That does not state it has to be a multiple event. It just states participants of the contest winning outcomes must stem from athletes in multiple real world or OTHER EVENTS. No where does it say the contest has to be a multiple event.

  • codyallison1026

    It’s 2015, and were debating whether playing fantasy NASCAR for money is legal, thought this was America

  • stevietpfl

    Morning Grind co-host, Lead NASCAR Analyst

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    Nascar is huge throughout the US and this should bring a lot of people to DFS. I’m really pumped about this.

  • dfrandan

    @codyallison1026 said...

    It’s 2015, and were debating whether playing fantasy NASCAR for money is legal, thought this was America

    Merica! F’ yeah!

  • ActionJunkie

    @Prophet1487 said...

    That does not state it has to be a multiple event. It just states participants of the contest winning outcomes must stem from athletes in multiple real world or OTHER EVENTS. No where does it say the contest has to be a multiple event.

    There’s a “s” there dude… definitely multiple.
    “All winning outcomes reflect the relative knowledge and skill of the participants and are determined predominantly by accumulated statistical results of the performance of individuals (athletes in the case of sports events) in multiple real-world sporting or other events.”
    The “other” means non-sporting (ie “sporting” OR “other” eventSSSSSS).

    I’m guessing the qualifying/scoring is how they are getting around the law but it definitely seems very very grey. I just don’t want to see another collapse similar to Full Tilt Poker. With that said, I’ll keep faith in DK and am SUPER pumped for this… THANKS DK!

  • Sol88

    @dfrandan said...

    Merica! F’ yeah!

  • kingofthehill

    To anyone worried about these contests violating the UIGEA – a lot of people don’t think about (or tend to forget) the following…

    1. Spirit of the law
    Much of the language in the UIGEA – including and especially this ‘multiple events’ phrase – was drafted with the intent of:
    (a) preventing athletes from being able to “fix” a sportsbet, which clearly cannot happen with this game format; AND
    (b) preventing a user from drafting athletes all from one single team, which to the legislators would be too akin to a traditional sportsbet on that team. This is why they added the “multiple events” phrase.
    In Nascar (and golf for that matter), there are no teams, just individual athletes. There is simply no way that a users could draft a team in a way that looks like a traditional sportsbet on a single pro team, therefore they are well within the SPIRIT of the law.

    2. Letter of the law
    So lets go with Stewburtx8’s argument, which I completely agree with, and say that because the points in the contests derive from qualifying positions, and qualifiers are a separate event, then they are absolutely within the letter of the law.

    Conclusion:
    DK was able to get creative with that stats and points to satisfy the letter of the law, and they are certainly not violating the spirit of it.

  • einars

    @ActionJunkie said...

    The “other” means non-sporting

    so….nascar

  • DerekO22

    Sorry if this is noob question, but how exactly will “fastest laps” be measured? Is it in relation to other drivers for every single green flag lap?

  • Slah

    • 2015 NASCAR Live Final Champion

    @Markness said...

    The scoring system is similar to that of season-long fantasy Nascar and provides plenty of opportunity for strategy.

    I get that they will update in real-time during the race, but pass differential, and especially “fast laps”, are not things that you can have any sense of while sweating the actual broadcast of the race. They are superfluous, unhandicap-able categories, and looking at the scoreboard and seeing if you were awarded any points for them is your only way of knowing if you’re getting them. It kills a huge degree of the fun factor. You may as well set your lineup, then check back in after the race to see your results.

    There’s enough strategy and luck involved in NASCAR, where simply picking the fastest cars who finish the highest is enough of a challenge. In this scoring system, we’re going to see drivers who finish in the high teens outscore drivers finishing in the top 5. That’s silly. Something emulating the actual NASCAR scoring system seems like it would have been ideal. Having all of these superfluous categories is going to add way more luck than it will strategy.

    That all said, better that it exists than doesn’t, and I’ll happily crap away all my spare money playing.

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