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  • Daviddu316

    I tied with home_jjjk on draftkings ffwc qualifer, well the tiebreaker went to him because he entered the lineup before me which my opinion is crap. Now I can click on everyone else’s draftkings profile but his? Does this sound right? I’ve been sick to my stomach all day about losing like this. He gets ticket to New York I get 750 dollars. Draftkings scamming??

  • anilprao88

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    Wow. That’s really messed up. They really should not have had a Q for a two game slate in week 13, especially a Q with 20000 entries in it. The probability of multiple identical lineups being tied for first and this exact scenario occurring is so high. I’m sorry man. DK isn’t scamming you though.

  • ItzJamesFTW

    I really wish when stuff like this would happen we would stop running to the “getting scammed by (insert site)” line. No, the site isn’t scamming you. Could things change for the better in the future? Sure.

  • Daviddu316

    Well maybe not scamming but why can’t I click on his name and see his profile. I can click on any of the other 20k entries. Just odd to me.

  • baggerly

    Hold on, a tiebreaker is broke by the time you enter your lineup?

  • donkshow

    @baggerly said...

    Hold on, a tiebreaker is broke by the time you enter your lineup?

    How else do you want them to break the tie? They aren’t having a H2H in NBA for an NFL Q, there are no more weeks left to have a H2H-off. Only so many options, and this is the one that DK has gone with and it’s been in their Terms and Conditions so..

  • shanksalot

    2013 PFBC Champion, 2013 DFBC Finalist, and 2013 FFFC Finalist

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    I saw Dink post this on twitter the other day about the rules for a tie breaker on a 2 game slate. He posted it before the Monday night game and I couldn’t believe this was actually how they would rule it. We’re talking about a 60k swing in value on a tie breaker. Although it was clearly stated in their rules section I would hope DK steps up and does something for you. It is only used in place of the last Q on the year or else you would have had a playoff for the seat. It is a horrible rule and one I would imagine they never hoped would actually play out. However they should have known with the amount of 2 game Q’s they ran. In the years I have played DFS this is definitely one of the worst beats ever. I really hope DK steps up and does something for you, it wouldn’t surprise me if they did to be honest. If any company has tried to make things right in crazy situations its been DK. Good Luck!

  • baggerly

    @donkshow said...

    How else do you want them to break the tie? They aren’t having a H2H in NBA for an NFL Q, there are no more weeks left to have a H2H-off. Only so many options, and this is the one that DK has gone with and it’s been in their Terms and Conditions so..

    True, when there is no more time I guess that’s the only option but man that really sucks. Oh and I was sure it was in their Terms and Conditions just didn’t realize that’s how they handled the last week. I actually assumed they would do a NBA H2H because I know they did something similar for the live MMA qualifier. Never really chased Live Q’s so never really looked too much.

  • db730

    RotoGrinders Media Director

    • 2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FBBWC Finalist

    @shanksalot said...

    I saw Dink post this on twitter the other day about the rules for a tie breaker on a 2 game slate. He posted it before the Monday night game and I couldn’t believe this was actually how they would rule it. We’re talking about a 60k swing in value on a tie breaker. Although it was clearly stated in their rules section I would hope DK steps up and does something for you. It is only used in place of the last Q on the year or else you would have had a playoff for the seat. It is a horrible rule and one I would imagine they never hoped would actually play out. However they should have known with the amount of 2 game Q’s they ran. In the years I have played DFS this is definitely one of the worst beats ever. I really hope DK steps up and does something for you, it wouldn’t surprise me if they did to be honest. If any company has tried to make things right in crazy situations its been DK. Good Luck!

    Completely agree with this take. Pretty irresponsible to run a 2 game slate Q the final week w/ no other tiebreaker than time of entry. Hope DK takes care of you in some capacity.

  • bigticket

    I have not seen the contest or how many ties there were for the seat but its pretty clear what should be done. Draftkings should add this guy in to the live finals and out of their own pocket add to the prizepool the entry. It was out of greed Draftkings ran additional last chance qualifiers without anyway to rectify a tie other than time of entry. Anything less and the OP should lawyer up because this is supposed to be a game of skill and not a contest of who enters their lineup first.

  • bhdevault

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    On a 2 game slate though, what if there was a 20 way tie for first? That is definitely a possibility with so much overlap, no?

    Just wondering what DK should do if/when that happens.

  • bigticket

    @bhdevault said...

    On a 2 game slate though, what if there was a 20 way tie for first? That is definitely a possibility with so much overlap, no?

    Just wondering what DK should do if/when that happens.

    Simple, not run the contest on a two game slate during the last week to qualify when ties are inevitable.

  • baggerly

    @bigticket said...

    I have not seen the contest or how many ties there were for the seat but its pretty clear what should be done. Draftkings should add this guy in to the live finals and out of their own pocket add to the prizepool the entry. It was out of greed Draftkings ran additional last chance qualifiers without anyway to rectify a tie other than time of entry. Anything less and the OP should lawyer up because this is supposed to be a game of skill and not a contest of who enters their lineup first.

    I don’t think DK will add him to the live finals but I would be surprised it they don’t offer him the trip up there on their dime. I guess really DK owes him nothing because it is stated in their rules but this would look terrible for them if they didn’t at least help him out a little. Like someone said a $60k swing of value on who entered the contest first?? They had to know this was going to happen.

  • KindGuy

    Am I the only one who thinks OP should just suck it up? I’m actually surprised at the amount of people here who are coming to this guys defense. Seems like there’s been an increase in people complaining for no reason.

    It’s clearly states in their TOS that time of entry is used as a tie breaker.

    Take your $750 and move on. Yea it sucks but DK doesnt owe you squat.

  • maxeernst

    Should be like the WSOP main event bubble. Seat for next year :)

  • crazypaul

    @elementasrat said...

    Am I the only one who thinks OP should just suck it up? I’m actually surprised at the amount of people here who are coming to this guys defense. Seems like there’s been an increase in people complaining for no reason.

    It’s clearly states in their TOS that time of entry is used as a tie breaker.

    Take your $750 and move on. Yea it sucks but DK doesnt owe you squat.

    You say this until you’re the one on the bad end of a 60K swing when almost all other times a tie-breaker contest is played.

    If this happened to me, I would be devastated to be honest, especially as a low stakes player. #FeelsBadMan

  • idontluvdemhos

    this is the most ridiculous “tiebreaker” I have ever seen and it should be more prominently noted in the lobby if it was the case for only this Q.. I guess I won’t be entering any more qualifiers unless I am the first entry.

  • Roma315

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    They aren’t scamming you but that tie breaker scenario is very suspect. I’d be very upset as I’m sure you are.

  • DomTwan

    @bhdevault said...

    On a 2 game slate though, what if there was a 20 way tie for first? That is definitely a possibility with so much overlap, no?

    Just wondering what DK should do if/when that happens.

    Wondering the same thing…

    That would be a PR NIGHTMARE

  • bigticket

    @idontluvdemhos said...

    this is the most ridiculous “tiebreaker” I have ever seen and it should be more prominently noted in the lobby if it was the case for only this Q.. I guess I won’t be entering any more qualifiers unless I am the first entry.

    Yeah thats why I suggest the OP may have to lawyer up if they don’t make this right by giving him a seat into this final, a future one, or the cash value of the seat. Little did he know at the time of entering the contest he was drawing dead with his given lineup on the hopes of beating out a large field to earn a chance at 2 million dollars. As were many others drawing completely dead based on this shady term of time of entry declares a winner in a tie situation. Just because they have this term does not necessarily make it legal or fair.

  • baggerly

    @bigticket said...

    Yeah thats why I suggest the OP may have to lawyer up if they don’t make this right by giving him a seat into this final, a future one, or the cash value of the seat. Little did he know at the time of entering the contest he was drawing dead with his given lineup on the hopes of beating out a large field to earn a chance at 2 million dollars. As were many others drawing completely dead based on this shady term of time of entry declares a winner in a tie situation. Just because they have this term does not necessarily make it legal or fair.

    I’m not sure I definitely agree with all of this but I know I would be asking DK for a time stamp for myself and the person I tied with. I don’t like the idea of drawing completely dead since you entered the exact same lineup as someone else but just entered it a little later. Again I’ll be very surprised if they don’t offer him something even though by their “rules” they don’t have to.

  • bigticket

    Can someone point out where in the terms does it even state time of entry is used in the event of a tie breaker? I’ve searched and can’t even find such a rule.

    Was it listed in the contest details that time of entry would break ties? I mean if it was clear to the people entering then that would be different.

    The only thing I can find in Draftkings terms is this on ties:

    PRIZES

    At the conclusion of each Contest, prizes will be awarded by 12:00 NOON EST on the following day except in circumstances where technical failure, inability of the Company to verify your compliance with these Terms, or other reasons prevent such timely payout. Contest prizes are listed in our prize table list. Prizes won are added to the winning participants account balance. In the event of a tie, prizes are divided evenly amongst the participants that have tied.

    Also this on it being a game of skill not luck of the draw awarding a 60k seat based on a timestamp:

    CONTEST OF SKILL

    Contests offered on the Website are contests of skill. Winners are determined by the objective criteria described in the Contest deadline, roster, Rules, scoring, and any other applicable documentation associated with the Contest. From all entries received for each Contest, winners are determined by the individuals who use their skill and knowledge of relevant sports information and fantasy sports rules to accumulate the most points according to the corresponding scoring rules. The Website and Contests may not be used for any form of illicit gambling.

    As you can see winners are determined who use their skill and knowledge not who enters a lineup before someone else. In this particular contest then when a duplicate lineup was going to be submitted a message should have alerted the user that someone else already used it.

    In any event, I hope Draftkings burys this thing fast by making it completely right for this guy. This has the makes for a PR nightmare.

  • baggerly

    TIEBREAKERS
    If one or more DraftKings Players tie for a Qualifying place in the FFWC Contest and such FFWC Contest is completed prior to Week 13 of the NFL regular season, there will be a playoff contest between the tied DraftKings Players, as solely determined by DraftKings, to determine the finalists or winners, as the case may be, of FFWC Contest.
    If one or more DraftKings Players tie for a Qualifying place in the FFWC Contest (or such playoff to break the tie as described in the paragraph above) during Week 13 of the NFL regular season, the winner will be the DraftKings Player with the higher single-player fantasy points result for each drafted player in the lineup. For example, if DraftKings Player A and DraftKings Player B tied in the daily game, and Player A’s highest fantasy point scoring player was Rob Gronkowski with 37 fantasy points, and Player B’s highest fantasy point scoring player was Antonio Brown with 34 fantasy points, then Player A would be judged the winner. In the event that both teams have the same highest fantasy point scoring player, the same process will proceed down to the next highest fantasy point scoring player in each roster. In the event of two identical rosters, the DraftKings Player who submitted his/her winning team first will be deemed the winner.

    This is posted on the Promos page not sure if it was posted anywhere else

  • PujolsJunkie

    People have been complaining about a million different things lately, but man if this one happened to me I’d flip out.

  • tonytone1908

    I think it’d be relatively safe to assume that the pro’s and their bots would more than likely have the earliest entries in any given contest, giving them a leg up from the get go. I’m also curious who the incompetent fellow is that came up with this genius idea for a tiebreaker. They probably for some stupid reason never thought it would come to this but on a 2 game slate? Come on. Especially when there is absolutely no recourse and how could anyone ever prove which lineup was entered 1st? Also, is it when the lineup was created or from the time of the last edit?

    Regardless, I’d lawyer up, or at least threaten DK to. Many times you don’t even need a lawyer, the threat is enough

  • ajs1281

    I am also unsure about the language of the tiebreaker. Is it the person who submitted the entry first or the lineup. ie is it possible that he lost simply because the winner added a dummy lineup first but edited after OP? The fact that it says “winning team” leads me to believe they could go either way.

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