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  • Daviddu316

    I tied with home_jjjk on draftkings ffwc qualifer, well the tiebreaker went to him because he entered the lineup before me which my opinion is crap. Now I can click on everyone else’s draftkings profile but his? Does this sound right? I’ve been sick to my stomach all day about losing like this. He gets ticket to New York I get 750 dollars. Draftkings scamming??

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    It would be more fair to just invite them both to at least enjoy the live final and have a “live” coin toss to determine who gets the spot in the field.

    This came up before when someone mentioned this rule and it is the most ridiculous tiebreak rule I have ever seen. A tiebreaker should never be decided on who enters a contest first as some people lock in their entries early in week, some like to build their lineups first and then decide what they want to enter, etc.

  • bigticket

    Thanks for posting that baggerly. I had a heck of a time finding it on the website. It’s not in the main terms and conditions. It’s definitely not listed in the FULL CONTEST RULES & PRIZES for the contest the OP played in, but in the very bottom of the brief description of the contest you can click a link to check out their promotions page to learn more. Then on that page you have to scroll down to find a small link to the actual Terms & Conditions specifically for the FFWC. What a pain in the ass!

    From the promos page I was able to also see the contest in question.

    https://www.draftkings.com/contest/gamecenter/33696506

    Looking at that particular tourney there were so many ties. Including Dinkmeyer as referenced above was in a 15 way tie a bit from the top. This don’t feel right. They should have never ran a tournament that awarded only one seat and to base the winner if it was a tie off a timestamp without any way to resolve it other than a timestamp. At the very least if they are going to do that they should have made it super clear to players entering that their entry may be drawing dead if its a tie. If it was clear, the tourney may not have even filled with players jamming in entries in the final minutes and unbeknownst to them they were drawing dead in a tie. Shady rule, shady contest only to grab more rake.

  • TeamTwerk

    People join dozens of unique contests everyday. I doubt DK would expect or want people to have to read the fine print of every contest they enter to ensure there is no totally unexpected out of left field rule that would put people who join contest late at a disadvantage.

  • DRC2828

    Why not just take the players who tie and have them go heads-up on another slate to decide who gets the prize? Could even do that with more than two players in a tie. If they can’t agree on an upcoming slate, they get the cash value split. idk… ties are a mess in general, especially with so much on the line.

  • timusbr

    LOL to all you posters giving advice and sympathy. The rule is on the promo page and I read it week 1.

    It does really suk for the original poster and his concern is he cant find out any info about the guy that won.

    someone said DK would make it right, or do something for him. LMAO, not a chance, DK do something nice for a guy who lost according to the rules???? please children be serious….

    I remembered when the free contest in each event was top 5 received $2 ticket. I got in a 4 way tie for 5th and figured DK would give everyone a $2 ticket. Right… its a promotion. not done was credited 40cents. The powers that be in DK dont use common sense, they certainly wont give out of the goodness of there heart anything to the 2nd place contestant.

    Regarding looking at players profile – Where can you see a relavant profile on any player. Maybe in RG but where in DK?

    Results stand and sorry for the guy who came in second as well as the bubble guy who finished 301st where money line was 300.

  • crazypaul

    @baggerly said...

    Player who submitted his/her winning team first will be deemed the winner.

    This sounds to me like a major loophole. Is it timestamp of who entered the contest first, or timestamp of who made the last edit to the lineup that became the winning lineup loses? Because to me, it says “submitted winning team” not “entered contest”.

    Either way, this seems totally wrong.

  • sethayates

    @DRC2828 said...

    Why not just take the players who tie and have them go heads-up on another slate to decide who gets the prize? Could even do that with more than two players in a tie. If they can’t agree on an upcoming slate, they get the cash value split. idk… ties are a mess in general, especially with so much on the line.

    In my opinion this is the way it should be. If DK runs a two-game slate and fifteen people tie they contact everyone involved and offer 1.) Cash value or 2.) A tiebreaker in another sport

    If everyone that tied can’t agree, they pay out cash value and then run a new qualifier available to everyone in the other sport. In this case, they email all 15 people and at least a few decide they want the cash value (approximately $4K) at that point DK posts an NBA qualifier. If the people who tied want one last shot they can spend their $4K jumping into the NBA qualifier.

  • ThatStunna

    • 61

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    • Ranked #47

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    • 2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2017 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    If they use a coin flip, it becomes gambling (or at least looks like it), which is probably why they don’t do that. I would prefer that DraftKings didn’t run qualifiers on tiny slates with this tiebreaker, but it is the rule for exact duplicates. I’d also hope DK offers some sort of extra compensation while making it clear that they don’t have technically have to do anything.

  • awilson45

    The simple solution is to not run Qs the week before the qualifier tourney, basically allowing the week before to be the used for tie breakers only. As others have said, running a 20k entry Q for a 2 game slate has an extremely high probability of 1st place tying.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @awilson45 said...

    The simple solution is to not run Qs the week before the qualifier tourney, basically allowing the week before to be the used for tie breakers only

    This would involve the sites actually laying out/mapping out a qualifier schedule that makes sense in ADVANCE. They have never been able to do that.

  • jmac1204

    Wow. Think about how many people are just drawing dead before the coin toss in that tournament. What a racket that is.

  • KindGuy

    It’s in the rules. Deal with it.

  • TinkyTyler

    • 142

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    • 2018 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    It’s time of last edit. Source: I asked them last week.

    Agreed rule is lame but it’s hard to come up with a fair tiebreaker. Probably should just not have contests during last slate before final.

  • nam6641

    • x2

      2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    Rules are rules, sucks but what can you do

  • edro990

    I would like to take this opportunity to trash DK for the umpteenth time, but there is no need. They are doing that all by themselves with more ridiculous decision making. I do feel for you though, crappy situation…………..

  • riverjack

    I know they have a rule in place for this circumstance, but I would imagine that Draftkings unethically raked in thousands of dollars in entries drawing dead. I cant even imagine following my players to such a great finish to later find out I never had a chance. I usually give the sites the benefit of the doubt when some of these controversies arise, but they really need to change this policy or stop offering 2 game slates where lineup duplication is a certainty. I would love to hear back from op that he received some resolution at some point

  • KindGuy

    @riverjack said...

    I know they have a rule in place for this circumstance, but I would imagine that Draftkings unethically raked in thousands of dollars in entries drawing dead. I cant even imagine following my players to such a great finish to later find out I never had a chance. I usually give the sites the benefit of the doubt when some of these controversies arise, but they really need to change this policy or stop offering 2 game slates where lineup duplication is a certainty. I would love to hear back from op that he received some resolution at some point

    Yes, I’m all for changing this rule. BUT, since it was in place when OP’s situation arose AND it was posted online, I see no reason for OP to receive any sort of remedy. YES, I agree it sucks but that’s life. DK did nothing wrong.

  • Cal

    RG CoFounder & Admin

    • 510

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    • $1M Prize Winner

    • x4

      2015 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    @elementasrat said...

    Yes, I’m all for changing this rule. BUT, since it was in place when OP’s situation arose AND it was posted online, I see no reason for OP to receive any sort of remedy. YES, I agree it sucks but that’s life. DK did nothing wrong.

    I mean, you’re 100% right here that DK did nothing wrong technically, had the rules posted, etc, but it was still a really bad idea to put this Qualifier out. No one deserves an extra prize in this case but players deserve a rule change for a better qualifier tiebreaker going forward. Tiebreak it on the next day’s NBA slate, for example.

  • riverjack

    Do you guys feel it is at all unethical for them to be collecting entry fees that were drawing dead?

  • KindGuy

    @Cal said...

    I mean, you’re 100% right here that DK did nothing wrong technically, had the rules posted, etc, but it was still a really bad idea to put this Qualifier out. No one deserves an extra prize in this case but players deserve a rule change for a better qualifier tiebreaker going forward. Tiebreak it on the next day’s NBA slate, for example.

    I’m just curious what OP thought when he entered. Surely, he had to think that there was a significant chance of a tie right?

  • DoubleTime

    • 2016 King of Summer: August

    I feel sick for this guy, that is the worst rule I have ever heard. Think that rule was originally put in place for ‘survivor’ type contests. Makes sense in those since they truly have no other way to break a tie and they have to have a certain number advance within the same contest.

    But I can’t believe this rule would be used for ffwc q’s. They had to know people would get put in the Op’s situation, and they decided it was ok. Either that, or they have no foresight and made a mistake. In that case, they should make it right for the OP. The bottom line is that nobody should get put in the OP’s situation. This isn’t some unfortunate circumstance, this was bound to happen.

    My biggest problem is the difference in equity between early vs late entrants. It is crazy. If you are one of the later entrants in this contest and aren’t aware of the rule, you are basically at 0. The OP had Lockett and Dwayne Allen on the same team and still gave himself a 0% chance of winning.

    They should have put a big banner up that stated this rule so people didn’t get screwed. Every other contest has different tiebreaker rules, so there is no reason to think the rules would be different for this contest. This is not one of those ‘your fault for not knowing the rules’ things. This is a very unusual rule that is only brought out for week 13 of NFL Q’s. Only us nerds that are all over RG are even aware of rules like this. Your average guy that spends a few minutes building line-ups on Sunday’s would have no reason to believe this was the tiebreaker. They would expect it to be the same as in other contests. Or they are not even aware of the tiebreaker rules, but they expect them to be fair. This isn’t fair IMO. I feel sick for the OP.

  • bigticket

    @Cal said...

    I mean, you’re 100% right here that DK did nothing wrong technically, had the rules posted, etc, but it was still a really bad idea to put this Qualifier out. No one deserves an extra prize in this case but players deserve a rule change for a better qualifier tiebreaker going forward. Tiebreak it on the next day’s NBA slate, for example.

    Cmon man its always lets give them a pass and hope they fix it the next time around. Thousands of dollars are in play and these things should have been thought out in advance. The only winners here is Draftkings in the fact that they made around 10k running this tourney. What if the 15 teams that had a tie score had won, there would be way more noise and uproar. As I and others have pointed out thousands of players entering this tourney with the hope to win a seat for a chance at 2 million and were drawing stone dead given this lousy term. I’d estimate less than 1% people entering knew this term existed.

    I agree in this situation although its far from ideal the tiebreak should have been the following day’s NBA slate.

    Draftkings has to take some accountability at some point for poor judgement in running a qualifier on a two game slate with no other way to break the tie other than entry time. Maybe they should return the rake to the players they screwed in this tourney. Yeah that will never happen.

  • Brodero

    Now the real kicker will be if the OP creates a lineup to see how he would have done at the finals. Imagine you knock it out of the park this week and would have won $2 million but because someone beat you to sign up for the Q all you get is $750. Hell even if he got last and still took home $15K that’s not too shabby. I hope for his sake he doesn’t put himself through that torture.

  • tarheel66

    You can bet your ass that if that is the tie breaker then there is a 100% of the time your entry will be the one put in last

  • w3stcoastoff3ns3

    They should just sent them both. If I ran a daily company I wouldn’t even want to deal with this. Just send them both and make adjustments to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

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