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  • Daviddu316

    I tied with home_jjjk on draftkings ffwc qualifer, well the tiebreaker went to him because he entered the lineup before me which my opinion is crap. Now I can click on everyone else’s draftkings profile but his? Does this sound right? I’ve been sick to my stomach all day about losing like this. He gets ticket to New York I get 750 dollars. Draftkings scamming??

  • DomTwan

    @Daviddu316 said...

    I certainly understand that this is a frustrating situation, I have credited your account with 3 $1,500 tickets which you may use for the $4 Million Main Event on 12/24.

    WOW

    Surprised they even did this for you.

  • DomTwan

    @Daviddu316 said...

    Yea the bad thing is they put 31k into my account then yanked it out 15 min later

    BAH

    Snap cash it all out when that hit

  • KindGuy

    Wow. In my honest opinion, DK really shouldn’t have had to do anything. Yes, what happened clearly sucks but the rules are the rules. They gave him tickets in addition to the $750 and he STILL mad? Jesus Christ. People around the world are living in poverty and this dude is still complaining about receiving only 3 $1K tickets. Hell, I don’t even have to go that far; do you know how many people in the DFS community would shut up and stop complaining if they were remedied 3 $1 k tickets that they didn’t even deserve in the first place?

    Also,get some sleep. This isn’t a matter to lose sleep over. DFS clearly means a lot more than it should to you if it’s adversely affecting your health like this.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @elementasrat said...

    Wow. In my honest opinion, DK really shouldn’t have had to do anything. Yes, what happened clearly sucks but the rules are the rules. They gave him tickets in addition to the $750 and he STILL mad? Jesus Christ. People around the world are living in poverty and this dude is still complaining about receiving only 3 $1K tickets. Hell, I don’t even have to go that far; do you know how many people in the DFS community would shut up and stop complaining if they were remedied 3 $1 k tickets that they didn’t even deserve in the first place?

    Also,get some sleep. This isn’t a matter to lose sleep over. DFS clearly means a lot more than it should to you if it’s adversely affecting your health like this.

    Almost $60k value lost (well half of that based on the tie with the upside to win $2 million) because someone entered a contest before you? Seems pretty harsh to not see how that would bother someone. It’s a ridiculously stupid rule and it’s DraftKings fault that someone got put in that situation because of their stupid rule and lack of vision to see that this clearly would happen on a 2 game slate.

    This is different than ANY other tiebreak rule on their site so I can see how someone would not be aware of this rule. Also, probably half the field was drawing dead to win this contest as soon as they clicked “enter.” No contest should ever be set up that way. It’s a complete sham that DraftKings ran this contest and collected rake.

  • doctor_doom

    • 2016 DraftKings FFWC Finalist

    • 2019 DraftKings FBWC Finalist

    I think you have a legal leg to stand on. You should get legal advice. Draftkings doesn’t need bad publicity prior to their merger. I believe the odds are in your favor.

  • TwoSHAE

    @db730 said...

    Hopefully the fantasy gods pay you back the OP with a monster cash with those tickets. I agree w/ Shanks again. Nice gesture by DK and hopefully more than anything they learned a lesson to be a bit more careful with how they schedule their qualifiers.

    If DK reserves the right to confiscate your balance “simply because they feel like it” (ie, if this was in the T&C), would that make it okay when they exercise this right?

  • baggerly

    I’m just wondering @daviddu316 did DK ever provide you with the time stamp of your entry and the entry you tied with? That would’ve been the first thing I asked for.

    Yes I agree with some of you on here that DK did more than they had to but that doesn’t make it right. Truthfully I have no idea what the right way to handle it would’ve been but I know if I was in his place I would be furious and would be lawyering up even if I thought I didn’t have a great chance.

  • ponzicrash

    I had an entry in the $4 one and didn’t know this was the tiebreaker. I wouldn’t have entered if I had known.

    Not only is the tiebreaker completely arbitrary and has nothing to do with the actual contest at hand, but the player has no way of seeing other players time of entry(or even their own).

    Best solution would be to have an actual tiebreaker(closest guess to your score). Easiest solution would be to use the thursday game as a tiebreaker somehow.

  • sjs1890

    • 2013 DraftStreet DSBC Finalist

    Ha just yet another example of how incompetent DK is and its just laughable. A qualifier on a 2 game slate and the tie breaker is whoever enters the lineup first???? That’s just sad cmon DK hire people that actually know what they’re doing. And yeah the first thing I would want is the time stamp but who knows since DK isnt transparent.

  • awilson45

    @elementasrat said...

    Wow. In my honest opinion, DK really shouldn’t have had to do anything. Yes, what happened clearly sucks but the rules are the rules. They gave him tickets in addition to the $750 and he STILL mad? Jesus Christ. People around the world are living in poverty and this dude is still complaining about receiving only 3 $1K tickets. Hell, I don’t even have to go that far; do you know how many people in the DFS community would shut up and stop complaining if they were remedied 3 $1 k tickets that they didn’t even deserve in the first place?

    Also,get some sleep. This isn’t a matter to lose sleep over. DFS clearly means a lot more than it should to you if it’s adversely affecting your health like this.

    I truly hope you’re in this position one day, I’d love to see what you’d have to say then.

  • Hyak420

    @baggerly said...

    I’m just wondering @daviddu316 did DK ever provide you with the time stamp of your entry and the entry you tied with? That would’ve been the first thing I asked for.

    Yes I agree with some of you on here that DK did more than they had to but that doesn’t make it right. Truthfully I have no idea what the right way to handle it would’ve been but I know if I was in his place I would be furious and would be lawyering up even if I thought I didn’t have a great chance.

    This^^^^^^

    I feel bad for the OP, the $4500 is a fine gesture but why would they give them that if there was no error on their part?

  • Daviddu316

    @baggerly said...

    I’m just wondering @daviddu316 did DK ever provide you with the time stamp of your entry and the entry you tied with? That would’ve been the first thing I asked for.

    Yes I agree with some of you on here that DK did more than they had to but that doesn’t make it right. Truthfully I have no idea what the right way to handle it would’ve been but I know if I was in his place I would be furious and would be lawyering up even if I thought I didn’t have a great chance.

    Thank you for your patience. Unfortunately you did not qualify for the Live Final as the user you tied with entered the contest before you. Here is our policy on tiebreakers: If one or more DraftKings Players tie for a Qualifying place in the FFWC Contest (or such playoff to break the tie as described in the paragraph above) during Week 13 of the NFL regular season, the winner will be the DraftKings Player with the higher single-player fantasy points result for each drafted player in the lineup. For example, if DraftKings Player A and DraftKings Player B tied in the daily game, and Player A’s highest fantasy point scoring player was Rob Gronkowski with 37 fantasy points, and Player B’s highest fantasy point scoring player was Antonio Brown with 34 fantasy points, then Player A would be judged the winner. In the event that both teams have the same highest fantasy point scoring player, the same process will proceed down to the next highest fantasy point scoring player in each roster. In the event of two identical rosters, the DraftKings Player who submitted his/her winning team first will be deemed the winner. The other user entered the contest 5:44 on 12/4 and you entered at 7:59.

    I have just credited you with the 2nd place prize of $750. If you need anything else please let us know!

  • Daviddu316

    @ponzicrash said...

    I had an entry in the $4 one and didn’t know this was the tiebreaker. I wouldn’t have entered if I had known.

    Not only is the tiebreaker completely arbitrary and has nothing to do with the actual contest at hand, but the player has no way of seeing other players time of entry(or even their own).

    Best solution would be to have an actual tiebreaker(closest guess to your score). Easiest solution would be to use the thursday game as a tiebreaker somehow.

    4 dollar one was the one I was in

  • deactivated51600

    @Daviddu316 said...

    In the event of two identical rosters, the DraftKings Player who submitted his/her winning team first will be deemed the winner. The other user entered the contest 5:44 on 12/4 and you entered at 7:59.

    I have just credited you with the 2nd place prize of $750. If you need anything else please let us know!

    The problem here is they are telling you that it’s based on “who submitted winning team first”, yet, when giving you the time stamps only telling you when the contest was entered. They need to tell you ‘When the WINNING team was entered.’. Way to ambiguous considering how much cashola on the line.

    As we all know, the team entered initially is quite often a different team when the event starts… due to this thing we call “editing” between the time we lock in the entry and the time we finalize our team.

    DK’s negligence just cost you ~30k. The decision makers on this at DK are probably holding their breath praying you do not push this further.

    I’d suspect that there’s a reason the reply to OP about the time stamp was worded how it was. There is a chance DK’s system is unable to derive from their data when the last edit was made.. or, perhaps it’s not able to detect what specific changes are made each time an Edit is assigned. If that is the case, the tiebreaker method they stated is literally not possible.

  • KindGuy

    For those saying this only applies to qualifiers, I’m not so sure about that. I’ve seen the time stamp rule posted else where, just can’t seem to remember.

  • BIF

    I think the point tha is lost here is that it was the last week to qualify; that is the reason the time stamp was used after the other tiebreakers were used. Had this been any other earlier week in a qualifier, there would have been a 2 person h2h playoff for the ticket.

    It sucks but the rules are very clearly stated and have always been such – it is what they always do when there is just one unique prize like a trip or seat.

    I’m shocked that DK gave you anything personally because they didn’t need to “make anything right” – again I agree that it sucks but it is what it is.

    Good luck in the Christmas Eve $1500 entry $4M GPP

  • BIF

    @elementasrat said...

    For those saying this only applies to qualifiers, I’m not so sure about that. I’ve seen the time stamp rule posted else where, just can’t seem to remember.

    It when there is only one unique prize that isn’t cash like a trip or ticket or seat

  • steelcitydozer

    @jmac1204 said...

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    I think they are unless you’re grand fathered in. Aka the pros that max out entries in every gpp and provide probably 50% of their rake. But I could be wrong

  • baggerly

    @BIF said...

    I think the point tha is lost here is that it was the last week to qualify; that is the reason the time stamp was used after the other tiebreakers were used. Had this been any other earlier week in a qualifier, there would have been a 2 person h2h playoff for the ticket.

    It sucks but the rules are very clearly stated and have always been such – it is what they always do when there is just one unique prize like a trip or seat.

    I’m shocked that DK gave you anything personally because they didn’t need to “make anything right” – again I agree that it sucks but it is what it is.

    Good luck in the Christmas Eve $1500 entry $4M GPP

    I think most people understand it’s the last week to qualify which is why most people are bashing DK for even running the contest on a 2 game slate. I’m not so sure about the rules being clearly stated. Clearly stated to me would be on the contest details page but it wasn’t there it was buried in the promotions page, and then you still had to scroll down and find tiebreakers and then I’m still not sure whether it’s when you enter the contest or your last edit. To me WINNING team would mean last edit but they seem to have given David the time stamp when entered.

  • billholler

    @Daviddu316 said...

    I have just credited you with the 2nd place prize of $750. If you need anything else please let us know!

    This is the part that cracks me up…..I just threw him a bone and he’s happy now, my customer service skills are friggin amazing, I should get a raise.

  • Stewburtx8

    • 2012 FanDuel WFBC Finalist

    @Daviddu316 said...

    Thank you for your patience. Unfortunately you did not qualify for the Live Final as the user you tied with entered the contest before you. Here is our policy on tiebreakers: If one or more DraftKings Players tie for a Qualifying place in the FFWC Contest (or such playoff to break the tie as described in the paragraph above) during Week 13 of the NFL regular season, the winner will be the DraftKings Player with the higher single-player fantasy points result for each drafted player in the lineup. For example, if DraftKings Player A and DraftKings Player B tied in the daily game, and Player A’s highest fantasy point scoring player was Rob Gronkowski with 37 fantasy points, and Player B’s highest fantasy point scoring player was Antonio Brown with 34 fantasy points, then Player A would be judged the winner. In the event that both teams have the same highest fantasy point scoring player, the same process will proceed down to the next highest fantasy point scoring player in each roster. In the event of two identical rosters, the DraftKings Player who submitted his/her winning team first will be deemed the winner. The other user entered the contest 5:44 on 12/4 and you entered at 7:59.

    I have just credited you with the 2nd place prize of $750. If you need anything else please let us know!

    Laughable response because it’s a laughable rule.

    Also, I think some other people have a point that the rules do not say “player who ENTERED the contest first,” they say “player who submitted his/her WINNING team first.” I assume their intention was the first person to enter (still a laughable and dumb rule) but the way this is worded could certainly mean who locked in their winning lineup first. Problem is at this point there is no way DraftKings would ever admit anyways if that person did make an edit after you did.

  • baggerly

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    I assume their intention was the first person to enter (still a laughable and dumb rule) but the way this is worded could certainly mean who locked in their winning lineup first. Problem is at this point there is no way DraftKings would ever admit anyways if that person did make an edit after you did.

    The laughable part is the DK employees who are paid to know the rules don’t even know them. I think someone a couple pages back someone said something about asking 4 or 5 employees about the tiebreaker rule and he got 3 different responses.

    If I was David I would be pushing DK to be very transparent on your last sentence.

  • nvalencia30

    • x2

      2014 FAFC Finalist

    • 2015 FAWBC Finalist

    Stewburtx’s sentiment on DK never being able to put out a Q schedule at the beginning AND communicate it clearly to users is going overlooked here. It’s not that difficult for DK to know that all their qualifiers should run by Week 12 and Week 13 can be used as a tiebreaker week. I’m using football as an example, but I know the same shoddy planning has taken place in other sports (it’s just finally come to light because of the ridiculous, and ambiguous, tiebreaker rule that played out). This also gives late qualifiers a little extra time to plan travel. Anyhow, I just emailed DK explaining my thoughts and how DK can do better. This is a situation where DK needs to do better, but we need to speak up and tell them directly.

    David, I can’t imagine losing a qualifier like that. I hope fantasy karma pays you back soon.

  • sethayates

    @Stewburtx8 said...

    Laughable response because it’s a laughable rule.

    Also, I think some other people have a point that the rules do not say “player who ENTERED the contest first,” they say “player who submitted his/her WINNING team first.” I assume their intention was the first person to enter (still a laughable and dumb rule) but the way this is worded could certainly mean who locked in their winning lineup first. Problem is at this point there is no way DraftKings would ever admit anyways if that person did make an edit after you did.

    If you are using the desktop site at the bottom of each lineup is a time stamp that says” Last Edit: 12/9/2016 12:41 PM ET.

    I assume that DK is going by who entered the winning team first. They do need to clarify the wording though (or scrap the rule altogether).

    P.S. The Original Poster can confirm what DK is using if he sees this in time. They told him that he entered at 7:59. OP, go to “My Lineups” at the top left change the filter from “Last 3 days” to “Last 7 Days.” Scroll down and find the lineup in question. Does it say, “Last edit: 12/4/16 7:59 ET” I would recommend taking a screenshot of what it says as you can only view lineups for the past seven days so after the 11th you won’t be able to see the stamp anymore. Also, if you check this information can you let us know if you made any edits after you submitted the initial lineup?

  • Daviddu316

    The last thing I got from them was this… after basically telling them I want the value of split first place .

    Hi David,

    As we followed the Fantasy Football World Championship’s Terms and Conditions, we will not be providing any additional compensation. We feel as if $4,500 worth of Main Event tickets is an amicable resolution. I apologize for this frustrating scenario that you have encountered.

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