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  • RotoHester

    What are the pro’s / con’s of the two big sites?

    If you could change anything —- what would it be and why?

    I’m all for discussing things that are wrong but we also would need to think of solutions.

    I have a feeling “late swap” is going to be a popular answer … and it is my initial thought too.

  • CUTiger81

    Getting rid of late swap was the best thing DK has done. It benefits an extremely small percentage of the user base so there’s no reason to keep it.

    DK
    *Overhaul the app – it’s really poor, especially compared to FD’s
    *Lessen the payouts at the top of the field and spread it out more evenly with a 2x min cash
    *Only 20% cash as opposed to 24-30% in some GPP’s
    *Offer more 100 man leagues

    FD
    *Enable users to download a CSV for all contests like DK does

    For both sites…change to where we can see ownership percentages for all players on the slate once it locks. I miss the days of immediately going through and seeing who the pros were playing in cash.
    *Offer more mid sized GPP’s at the low $$ buy in levels

  • Gfry3

    Add in some late swap. We had a choice before, now we don’t.

  • KindGuy

    I only play on DK.

    Count stats that only happen during regulation. I’m a purist. If DFS is going to be labeled as a skill game, let’s make sure skill is needed in every facet. Predicting OT or extra innings isn’t a skill. Slow paced NBA games shouldn’t be fantasy gold mines because they go an extra 5 minutes. Studs in bad matchups shouldn’t hit 6x+ because they get more usage in extra time.

    More SINGLE entry 50/50s. Those used to be my bread and butter. Then DK decided that profits come before the growth of the industry. Now we have multi entry HUGE double ups dominating the lobby. Yuck.

  • MTro86

    RG Writer

    1) Rake/Bonuses.

    2) Prize pool distribution (less top heavy just to make 1st place look like a nice number).

    3) This is more of a legal change, but I don’t understand why legalized online poker (in the states where it is so) are allowed to go over the prize pool, but DFS can not.

  • BloodGame

    Get rid of late swap on all sports and contests

    Lower rake

  • bradizpro

    • Ranked #72

      RG Tiered Ranking

    • 2016 FABC Finalist

    Automatic bankroll tracker on all sites (I get why they dont) but would make it 100x easier instead of waiting to see if they screwed anything up
    FD needs to add ownership page
    FD needs more flexibility (aint got time to roster 1 center when theres 10 good ones)

  • tonedefrob

    DK needs to adopt FDs cancellation policy. I shouldn’t be locked into a contest if I’m not feeling my lineup. 15 min before lock is plenty of time for something to fill. Not many will drop out.

    DK Missions are also garbage. I really like FDs monthly promos on FDP that are in addition to what you already earn playing.

    As others have said, DKs payout structure is garbage on large GPPs. If I’m not earning 2x on a min cash it’s not worth it.

    Both sites need to stop the travesty that is larger GPPs on shorter slates. Why not save them for the 9-16 game nights? Too much overlap possible when it’s on 4 game slates. The more games there are, the larger the prize pool and amount of entries should be. The largest GPPs should not be on 4 game slates. It’s more about skill on the larger slates rather than dumb luck/multi entry playing a teams 50th option on short ones.

    That also speaks to DKs single entry options. They are pathetic. Most don’t even count towards rankings here on RG. Increase the options there.

  • walkoff9

    Fix golf

    Gpp sizes and pricing

  • tonedefrob

    @elementasrat said...

    I only play on DK.

    Count stats that only happen during regulation. I’m a purist. If DFS is going to be labeled as a skill game, let’s make sure skill is needed in every facet. Predicting OT or extra innings isn’t a skill. Slow paced NBA games shouldn’t be fantasy gold mines because they go an extra 5 minutes. Studs in bad matchups shouldn’t hit 6x+ because they get more usage in extra time.

    More SINGLE entry 50/50s. Those used to be my bread and butter. Then DK decided that profits come before the growth of the industry. Now we have multi entry HUGE double ups dominating the lobby. Yuck.

    You also can’t predict players being out after lock or getting injured mid-game. So should those contests not count? Should just those players not count and the sites go with 1-2 player alternate slots? Should you drop points a mid-game player injury earned in favor of the alt slot? It’s a rabbit hole.

    OT and extra inning variance evens out over time, just like injuries.

  • KindGuy

    @tonedefrob said...

    You also can’t predict players being out after lock or getting injured mid-game. So should those contests not count? Should just those players not count and the sites go with 1-2 player alternate slots? Should you drop points a mid-game player injury earned in favor of the alt slot? It’s a rabbit hole.

    OT and extra inning variance evens out over time, just like injuries.

    What I’m saying is that if there are measures that can be taken to avoid variance, why not implement them?

    Counting only regulation is simple and puts everyone on an equal playing field.

  • tonedefrob

    @elementasrat said...

    What I’m saying is that if there are measures that can be taken to avoid variance, why not implement them?

    Counting only regulation is simple and puts everyone on an equal playing field.

    Regular OT or multiple OT? I’m not in front of a computer at the moment but you could probably count the number of multiple OT game in NBA each season on 1 hand.

  • RotoHester

    Some great responses so far here, everyone. Please keep them coming .

  • KindGuy

    @tonedefrob said...

    Regular OT or multiple OT? I’m not in front of a computer at the moment but you could probably count the number of multiple OT game in NBA each season on 1 hand.

    Both

  • yountingly

    • 321

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    More single entry and 3 max gpps. The FD 3 max Swat for NBA fills around noon every day on average, doesn’t it?

    I’ve been mostly off NHL the last month but , especially FD is notorious for not having call ups, having players in wrong spots, mispriced completely, etc. It’s not hard to keep changing C , RW, LW to indicate current lines. Makes it hard to stack if 2/3rds of a line are listed at C. No reason for that to happen.

    Those are the first 2 that came to mind.

  • skeeter1114

    • Blogger of the Month

    Adding some flex spots (Fanduel all sports and DraftKings Baseball). Also on FD, consider some multi-positional eligibility for players that don’t fit a certain position (NBA and MLB).

  • xpac21

    honestly someone said i was in the minority about this earlier, but i prefer not having the decision to make on which position to put at a flex spot and would rather have it be changed on DK to either K or maybe a 2nd QB…i’m not a good decision maker, but again i might be in the minority on that

  • makeitra1n

    If I could change something it would be to change the business strategy from trying to screw people over and take their money to rewarding players.

    it’s so obvious with the price hikes.had 1 dollar max 150 large field gpps.now small and 3 entry max so that you play the 3 dollar/4.they’re doing it with all buy ins too.slam went from 25 to 30 to 40 and I saw it once at 44.monster went from 200 to 300 to 400 to 444.

    It’s a good thing for these sites they get almost all their money from the big players dropping thousands or people making 1 or 2 lineups for a few bucks,neither of which care about pricing too much

  • jolokia

    On DK I wish it was easier to browse other lineups in a tournament instead of just the top 500 + pay jumps + bubble. FD has a good system but even that could be improved.

  • Cpjttogether

    5% rake on h2h so it competes with a sportsbook side or total wager. win lose percentage and $ won or lost posted for all players cash games, instead of the meaningless blue star. Address the cloned line up issue and find away for players to actually play there own line ups. Hire better handicappers or design a better algorithm so that there are not a few players 80% sure they will win and the rest of us doomed to lose. adjust salarys as players are drafted like a line moves if to many people pick one side. eliminate all players who aren’t going to play as being a option to choose, so we don’t need super computer tools to handicap so many players. If a player does not play give the person the next lower salary player in his spot so customers don’t feel cheated. give the customers there money back if a nba game don’t play when the floor is to slippery or a nhl game don’t play because the ice isn’t cold enough. apologize to the fans for allowing us to play against optimizer tools without knowing and now having to pay for them after we lost to them. Go all in on player retention and keeping players like they went all in on adverstising. Eliminate the many conflicts of interest in the game such as fan duel owning number fire csuram working for draft kings or al smizzle working for dk or whatever.so many I cant even list them all. Be honest about it being gambling and maybe get help from Nevada to do things the right way.The sites handicappers and algorithm seem to be no match for a few players maybe they should hire them to fix it. make it so when 198 things go right you don’t still lose or win peanuts. other than that and a few other 56 ideas everythings great. All they will need soon is some money and some people to play.

  • SelfCharmer

    Merge the UK with the US player pool on FD. It is crazy that they dont, you will never attract enough UK players long term with tiny prize pools!

    More “Survivor” type Contests. Personally I think a lot of players (especially casual players) like contests which are 3-4 GPPs in one top 80% progress type of thing.

  • bigfink

    @Cpjttogether said...

    5% rake on h2h so it competes with a sportsbook side or total wager. win lose percentage and $ won or lost posted for all players cash games, instead of the meaningless blue star. Address the cloned line up issue and find away for players to actually play there own line ups. Hire better handicappers or design a better algorithm so that there are not a few players 80% sure they will win and the rest of us doomed to lose. adjust salarys as players are drafted like a line moves if to many people pick one side. eliminate all players who aren’t going to play as being a option to choose, so we don’t need super computer tools to handicap so many players. If a player does not play give the person the next lower salary player in his spot so customers don’t feel cheated. give the customers there money back if a nba game don’t play when the floor is to slippery or a nhl game don’t play because the ice isn’t cold enough. apologize to the fans for allowing us to play against optimizer tools without knowing and now having to pay for them after we lost to them. Go all in on player retention and keeping players like they went all in on adverstising. Eliminate the many conflicts of interest in the game such as fan duel owning number fire csuram working for draft kings or al smizzle working for dk or whatever.so many I cant even list them all. Be honest about it being gambling and maybe get help from Nevada to do things the right way.The sites handicappers and algorithm seem to be no match for a few players maybe they should hire them to fix it. make it so when 198 things go right you don’t still lose or win peanuts. other than that and a few other 56 ideas everythings great. All they will need soon is some money and some people to play.

    i like your last two sentences.

  • BDholla89

    • 63

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    • Ranked #8

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    • x2

      2017 DraftKings FHWC Finalist

    In DK being able to global player swap to a more expensive player if remaining salary in LU(s) allow it.

  • jstevens2k11

    I’d love the option to search for NBA/NFL/PGA/etc players to see their ownership within each contest, instead of trying to find it on another website or randomly clicking other users rosters to find it.

  • dirtydistance

    Take the salary pro from fantasy arses and build a contest similar to that. FD also needs to work on the experience badges, why does someone who plays relatively casual have the same badge as the Sharks simply because I have played a lot of games, mostly all free or low dollar over the years

  • Roma315

    I play on both sites and I hope once the merge happens they keep two sites for us to have options. Both sites have their pros/cons but the options are nice.

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